Of Deathclaws & Radscorpions: A Fallout Thread

nothing sounds less appealing to me than CSI the video game

oh man you should see if the demo is still available, it is the most hilariously awful thing i have ever played.

morrowind is like my third or fourth favorite game of all time but the "big city" in that game is the most hilariously devoid-of-life environment i've ever seen; you feel like an archaeologist in it.

i find myself daydreaming of the day when an rpg can produce a populated space like a parade scene in an old sword-and-sandle movie or a street in blade runner or something. maybe those examples are pushing it, but why not? is that kind of thing even possible without a big step up in hardware?

id rather have a sparsely populated city with actual npcs in it than suffer through the thriving towns of colorful morons of Fable 2 etc tbh

games can do populated spaces, but the question is how much interaction you want. like FF-type games have big crowd scenes, but you can't talk to anyone in them (so they might as well be background) and heavy rain had some crowd scenes (like in the mall) but again, very limited interaction. daggerfall had towns full of ppl but they all had pretty much the same dialogues when you talked to them (ask them about rumors / ask for directions / etc). to have a game with hundreds of individually interactive ppl on screen wouldn't just require a big step up in hardware but so much writing that might just be creatively impossible w/out taking some major shortcuts.

Fable 2 another good example of this

yeah i mean dead rising 2 has basically your parade scene going on, its just a parade of shuffly zombies, so the hardware doesnt seem to be the issue here i guess

gotta be some procedural way of generating different npc "personalities." but maybe that's like... actual artificial intelligence

there are procedural ways of generating different personalities but those are at fable 2 level. i'm trying to think of any other procedurally generated npc personalities that do it better... but coming up short

morrowind is like my third or fourth favorite game of all time but the "big city" in that game is the most hilariously devoid-of-life environment i've ever seen; you feel like an archaeologist in it.

this is very true. also, hopelessly fucking confusing. fuck a hlaalu canton or whatever. WHY IS THERE NO BRIDGE HERE.

other recent abandoned cities: deus ex 3, the yakuza games. in deus ex the persistent corpse thing cracked me up. just stone cold shot a dude and left his body in the gutter, people walking past it like nothing happened. eventually i put a dumpster on top of him to maintain my suspension of disbelief.

the corollary to this is the assassin's creed games, where the elusive spy of the ancient secret order who blends effortlessly into any crowd is dressed like the phantom of the opera wearing a mardi gras float

eventually i put a dumpster on top of him to maintain my suspension of disbelief.

lol

btw the trailer for the new hitman game looks promising in this respect (blending into crowds etc).

That's one thing I like about GTA4 and Red Dead Redemption - you may not really be able to interact much with the crowds, but they interact with each other by having conversations, getting into fights, etc.

metro 2033 does this ^ incredibly well

AC2 has good crowd work

That's one thing I like about GTA4 and Red Dead Redemption - you may not really be able to interact much with the crowds, but they interact with each other by having conversations, getting into fights, etc.

yeah, definitely. also great that you can pretty much murder any one of them.

i like the elder scroll answer of sending the guards out to fuck you up if you kill people in polite society.

does any other game have as frustrating a transition from a totally unexpected, mindblowing segment to a totally irritating, boring segment as the jump from the "tranquility lane" part to the "chasing your dad as he runs across the entire map making sure he doesn't get killed by radscorpions" part of fallout 3? i got pissed off at the latter part so haven't finished it yet so maybe something amazing happens but it was really jarring after tranquility lane.

or just fast travel forward and meet him there?

oh i wasn't sure if i did that if he would just die on the way.

i don't think he can be killed tbh

i had yr anxiety for a while too n/a, but dad can look after himself

cool then fuck him

kind of want to go back and redo the tranquility lane part to see if there's a way to get through it without doing all the evil commands

though putting on the mask and stabbing everyone was pretty fun

there is

yeah i found it on my second play through too

The Project Eternity kickstarter seems relevant to post here, as its Black Isle-alumni deliberately making an isometric rpg again

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/obsidian/project-eternity

Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout Tactics all free on GOG today.

might take some perseverance, the site was obviously swamped earlier

I'm playing New Vegas right now. It's good but seems more overwhelming than 3? Like there are more parts where suddenly have a TON of places to go and a TON of people to talk to all at once. Which are the moments where I often decide to take a break for a while. I just got on the strip and it's almost too much.

Yeah I've got them in my cart but can't check out. Though I'm not at home anyways so I guess I'll try again this evening.

i had a few goes over the space of a couple of hours and they're now sitting pretty in my account

I've never used GOG, can I "check out" and then download the games later? Or should I wait to check out til I'm on my home computer?

site is so borked. i remembered later than I already got Fallout for free from them a while back and bought Tactics when the site opened, so I might as well grab FO2

yeah, once you "buy" the game it's tied to your account, you can download DRM-free whenever

Although apparently the reason these are being given away is that the fallout licence changes hands soon, and when it does gog will lose the right to sell them. Don't know whether that'll mean people who've bought them already won't be able to re-download, seems unlikely but not impossible, better to grab sooner rather than later though just in case.

http://kotaku.com/meet-the-guy-who-spent-seven-months-killing-everyone-in-1629588651

This is great.

Hahahahahah I had no idea there was a minor NPC in Fallout 3's Pitt expansion (based on Pittsburgh) called "Gruber." In the Kill Everything LP he just cuts him apart immediately with a weird spinning blade.

Oh wait, John Gruber is from Philadelphia. Nevermind.

f4 @ e3? http://www.avclub.com/article/skyrim-fallout-publisher-announces-it-will-probabl-215049 i hope!

i'm never upgrading to xbone or ps4. fallout4 is about the only thing that I'm really going to miss.

i plan to upgrade when it comes out

Yep. Would put money on this being F4.

got to be f4 surely, really hope so.

I'll upgrade my pc when the time comes, don't think i'll be getting ps4 or xbone anytime soon.

yep

http://i.imgur.com/GOhM9fd.jpg

also this http://fallout.bethsoft.com/

4llout

stoked 4 the radness