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Is there an electrical product that I can set to a constant temperature to help rise bread in our cold house?

Kathy Fischbach, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I either balance it on a tray on a couple of tea towels on a radiator or, if the loaf is too big, on the hob with the oven below turned on at the lowest heat setting. Above all, do not attempt to prove your dough in the microwave. I, er, speak from experience :-/

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've had success with a work lamp, set far enough away to not over-heat the bowl. I did have to remember to turn the bowl every once in awhile to keep the heat fairly even.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I can't even imagine what the microwave might have done to the dough! Eep.

You're thinking of the mythical "proofing box". I have read about them but never seen proof (ha ha) of their existence. Consider this approach, but my god, 85 seems way too hot, unless you're in a hurry.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

We used a microwave once in Home Economics class, because we only had a couple of hours to get the rolls made, and it seemed to work OK. Then I tried it at home and :-/

Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'd probably turn the oven on and set the dough on the stove top where it'll catch the heat from the oven vent.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

all ya gotta do is cover yo dough well with plastic wrap (or a damp towel) preheat your oven and put the bowl up on top of the cupboards by the ceiling. s'about 5-10 degrees warmer up there than the air by your thermostat.

jdchurchill (jdchurchill), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 23:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That won't really keep the temperature controlled and constant, though.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 23:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

whatever dude
i make fantastic bread week in and week out with this method

jdchurchill (jdchurchill), Thursday, 8 December 2005 22:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
So I tried something new in the effort to get my bread to rise nicely and evenly:

I filled the bathtub about 1/3 full with HOT HOT HOT water, put the (covered) dough in the bathroom and closed the door. When I went in there to check on it, the room was indeed warmer than the rest of the apartment, the heat was nice and moist and the bread looked great.

Since I have the world's cheapest stove (no light) and we keep our apartment pretty chilly due to astronomical gas prices, this was a decent alternative. Also, everyone's bathroom has/should have a door, so the heat is confined to that room.

The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

is there a way to save yeast from week to week in a way that makes it usable in the next loaf or ball of pizza dough?
i know yeast is cheap enough but it seems dumb to keep buying if it's a living thing that will keep reproducing itself

harbl, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 21:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

no? just an idea.

i want to try baking bread again. i did it a few years ago and didn't like it. it always came out too dense. does anyone recommend any books about bread?

harbl, Thursday, 18 June 2009 13:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, you can make up a biga (basically yeast, water, flour) and keep feeding it with flour/water every few days - this is the same idea as a sourdough starter. Or, you can try making pan levain by leaving a flour/water/sugar mixture out in the open for a few days to catch wild yeasts. (Read the essay about this in The Man Who Ate Everything first though.)

Beard on Bread by James Beard and The Bread Bible by Rose Levy Beranbaum are my 2 go-to bread books.

Jaq, Friday, 19 June 2009 14:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

thanks! i have heard of catching wild yeast but i always think...yeast, in the air, does it come off people's/animals' bodies and stuff? weird. i'm doing no-knead bread today. i'll probably go to the library tomorrow to find some books.

harbl, Friday, 19 June 2009 14:31 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeasts are everywhere. You can just get some grapes (untreated, probably from a backyard vine or a vineyard is best) because they are natural yeast harbors and use them to make a starter.

Jaq, Friday, 19 June 2009 14:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

you can just leave some flour and water out for awhile - it will catch teh yeastes no probs

Tracer Hand, Monday, 22 June 2009 17:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

k, i am planning on doing this. doesn't it catch pollution and stuff? cat hair? fuzz?

harbl, Monday, 22 June 2009 17:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

yes, put it someplace draft-free and relatively cat-hair-free if possible. Also, some wild yeasts taste bad, so be prepared for that possibility.

Jaq, Monday, 22 June 2009 17:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

i've been looking at the bread bible and now i remember why i gave up on bread the first time. it's impossible? there are way too many things to worry about! i think my oven is really miscalibrated too. i don't think i can control any of the things that need to be controlled to do a good job at it.

but i am making an injera/sourdough starter so i can make fake injera. it's amazing, i just put about equal amounts flour and water in a plastic container and sealed the lid. it smells like stinky feet.

harbl, Thursday, 9 July 2009 03:20 (eight years ago) Permalink

It does sound impossible, but I keep at it by reminding myself that people have been baking bread for ages and ages without any fancy business and even if it doesn't turn out perfect, it still generally tastes really really good. I hope your starter works well!

Jaq, Thursday, 9 July 2009 03:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

I've had reasonable success with bread lately. What I'm doing is buying those premixes that are for bread machines, but making the bread by hand and baking it in the oven. It seems the mix has some added things in the flour that help - salt and preservatives I suppose (citric acid or something?). I used to be able to buy bread preserver powder but I cant find it anymore.

I'm moving house next week and hoping I'll now have a functional oven ie one with a thermostat not set to KILL. Then more baked goods will arise!

lolsbury hill (Trayce), Thursday, 9 July 2009 05:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

Bread improver! Thats what its called.

lolsbury hill (Trayce), Thursday, 9 July 2009 06:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

there was an article in the nytimes a couple of years ago abt some (apparently) amazingly easy to bake bread, i never tried it, but if yr having trouble maybe you could give that a go???

just sayin, Thursday, 9 July 2009 08:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh yeah my dad is a huge fan of the nytimes no knead bread recipe i think. i will see if i can find it - he emailed it a while ago.

harbl, i am super impressed by your adventurousness! injera at home! wow!

tehresa, Thursday, 9 July 2009 08:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

i already did the no knead! it came out too moist and dense :(

harbl, Thursday, 9 July 2009 11:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

i am interested in high-protein grains so i would like to find some teff (too expensive to ship or i'd just buy it on the internet) but i think i'd have to go to dc to find an ethiopian grocery store. might look for buckwheat somewhere instead.

harbl, Thursday, 9 July 2009 11:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

If there's a grocery or health food store near you that carries the Bob's Red Mill brand, have them order the teff for you. I've had really good luck with all the BRM grains. Are you going to grind it yourself or are you looking for flour?

Jaq, Thursday, 9 July 2009 13:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

i wish i could grind it myself! someday, when i have more money and more storage space i will. so i would like flour. i keep meaning to go to the tiny store down the street to ask about ordering too. for now i have some whole wheat flour i want to use up though.

harbl, Thursday, 9 July 2009 13:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

Teeny told me ages ago (some other thread in here) about making chapatis when I was looking for things to do with whole-wheat flour. The proportions are 1 of water to 2 of flour (to start, might need more flour if the dough is too sticky), salt (like 1/2 - 1 tsp per cup of flour), a splash of oil to make the dough easier to work. Stir it all together (just use your hands if you're okay with that), knead and work the dough until it is elastic, divide into small balls and pat into thin flat rounds. Heat up a skillet over a medium flame for 10-15 minutes. Leave each round in the hot skillet until nicely browned on one side, then flip to brown the other.

Jaq, Thursday, 9 July 2009 15:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

i did make chapatis, with milk instead of water. they were good.

but my starter seems to have died already? i might try feeding it one more time. not sure what i did, i don't think the water was too hot or anything.

harbl, Sunday, 12 July 2009 13:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

does this require a cast iron skillet? i would imagine so.

tehresa, Sunday, 12 July 2009 19:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

xpost to jaq

tehresa, Sunday, 12 July 2009 19:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

i found my dad's email. in it, he attaches the sullivan st. bakery no-knead recipe, but also this follow-up with some recipe tweaks/tips.

maybe useful?

looks good!
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/tza/100_2855.jpg

tehresa, Sunday, 12 July 2009 19:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

i'll probably try it again sometime, it just annoyed me. like the entire internet says it's so great but i couldn't make it work.

harbl, Sunday, 12 July 2009 19:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

dad says he altered timing - 18 hours for first rise and 2.5 hours for second, per bittman's advice. maybe that would help?

tehresa, Sunday, 12 July 2009 19:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

i will try this recipe. i haven't made bread in ages.

tehresa, Sunday, 12 July 2009 19:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

that's exactly what i did! i think the oven temp is messed up. i turned it lower than it recommended because when i made pizza it was too crispy. the moistness suggested the temp was too low, but the bottom was pretty burnt. the crust was extremely thick, too. i know it's supposed to be but this was not fun to eat.

harbl, Sunday, 12 July 2009 19:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

nevermind i don't have a pot like that that is big enough

tehresa, Sunday, 12 July 2009 19:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

i could make mini boules but then i'm sure the baking time would be all messed up and i'm not skilled enough to adapt that.

tehresa, Sunday, 12 July 2009 19:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

I'm strange I guess, b/c I love kneading the dough by hand. I do mix it initially with a dough hook in my Kitchenaid, but turn it out and knead on a floured board set on the dining table to finish it.

Also - chapatis, tortillas, naan, other flat breads - I think cast iron is always best. It heats up well over a medium flame (just leave it for 10-15 minutes to heat up and even out) and it retains heat really well.

Jaq, Sunday, 12 July 2009 23:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

i love when you get to punch it.
(the dough, not the cast iron ow!)

tehresa, Sunday, 12 July 2009 23:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

i'm with jaq on the kneading: meditative and gets yr blood pumping. plus if ya do it every week like me then when you shake hands you can crush 'em with yr kneading power!

freakin pecan (jdchurchill), Friday, 24 July 2009 21:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

I've barely started exploring this site, but it looks like a fantastic resource. I made the Italian Bread recipe today (starting with the preferment last night) and it turned out great! The loaves lost a bit of volume as I transferred them from the work table to their cooking surface (the back of a sheet pan w/parchment), but I think that was for the best, because the degree of airiness and fluffiness inside was exactly what I'd hoped for. Brushed them with water just before putting them in the oven, and had a pan of hot water in the oven as well, and they produced a nice crust.

Hugh Manatee (WmC), Friday, 14 August 2009 22:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

freshloaf looks boss, thanks wmc

clouds taste metallica (jdchurchill), Friday, 14 August 2009 22:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

Italian bread round 2 today. First loaf is out and cooling, 2nd loaf is halfway through baking. Variation: 2/3 unbleached bread flour, 1/3 whole wheat. (Last batch was all bread flour.)

My oven isn't big enough to bake both loaves at once, so the 2nd loaf gets an extra 40 minutes to rise under a damp towel.

Hugh Manatee (WmC), Monday, 17 August 2009 19:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

DISASTER

I forgot the salt when I was mixing. ;_;

Texture A+++, flavor D-

Hugh Manatee (WmC), Monday, 17 August 2009 19:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

maybe just put some salted butter on it?

tehresa, Monday, 17 August 2009 19:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

It's barely edible that way, and completely inedible without. ugh ugh ugh this is disgusting. Amazing what a bit of salt brings.

Hugh Manatee (WmC), Monday, 17 August 2009 19:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

yea that italian bread recipe is mad boss. i did it yesterday and it makes wicked sammy bread, nice crust and totally soft and chewy underneath. also will soak up tomato juices (r whateva) in yr sandwich without breaking/tearing. totally had to use more than 5c flour to make the dough tho. at the end 2 nice perky loaves, and even worked well in the regular loaf pan.

blind melon baller (jdchurchill), Monday, 31 August 2009 20:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

i give up on baking bread. i'll try again in 5 years :(

permanent response lopp (harbl), Monday, 31 August 2009 20:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

last night i grabbed the mason jar with the "sourdough culture" in it and was happy to see bubbles and expansion. i did as rose levy beranbaum instructs and removed about half of it to the rubbish bin, then dumped in a scant 1/2 cup of regular unbleached flour and 1/4 cup of water, and stirred it in. this morning it had already doubled in volume. I guess this is working . . .

thatwillultimatelyresultingalaxy-galaxymergersonacosmictimescale (jdchurchill), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Exciting! Does it smell yeasty? does it taste sour but not bitter?

Jaq, Thursday, 28 January 2010 00:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

i don't know jaq it kinda smelled like wheat mixed with cedar or something last night. and this morning i did not have the expansion that occurred the previous day. also yesterday when i fed it, there was a bit of water that had come out of the solution just sitting in the bottom, which i didn't think too much about and mixed back in. but this morning there was a bit of water just sitting on top. however it smelled nicely sour as i would imagine sourdough starter is *supposed* to smell.

thatwillultimatelyresultingalaxy-galaxymergersonacosmictimescale (jdchurchill), Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

the freshloaf says, "It is not unusual for the mixture to get very bubbly around Day 3 or 4 and then go completely flat and appear dead."

i think that may be what is happening to mine.

also what's cooking america says,
"What is Hooch?

As your starter sits or goes quiet in the refrigerator, the mixture separates and a layer of liquid will form on the top. This liquid contains about 12% to 14% alcohol. Hooch is the alcoholic byproduct of the fermentation process. The hooch will have a brownish color. NOTE: The alcohol dissipates during the baking process, Stir that liquid back into the starter before using. Hooch builds up in your starter, especially when being stored in the refrigerator.. You can either pour it off or stir it back in. If your sourdough starter is on the dry side, just mix the hooch back in. If your starter is already too moist, pour it down the drain.

Important: If your sourdough starter or hooch starts looking pinkish or orange color, throw it away and start over as this means that something bad or nasty has started growing in your starter."

thatwillultimatelyresultingalaxy-galaxymergersonacosmictimescale (jdchurchill), Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Pinkish color is a bad thing when you do other fermented things, like sauerkraut. I think it's some kind of bacteria. I've noticed that watery separation when I've let a biga sit for a few days - never realized it could be alcoholic!

Jaq, Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

prolly gonna do it like a shot before i feed it tonight!

thatwillultimatelyresultingalaxy-galaxymergersonacosmictimescale (jdchurchill), Thursday, 28 January 2010 20:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

so the hooch had disappeared into the "mothership" so i couldn't drink it :(
here she is ladies and gentlemen, my 'starter' which some dudes refer to as 'the mother culture':
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd210/jdchurchil/food%20porn/DSC_0002.jpg?t=1264785043
by extension i guess the loaves could be referred to as daughters

thatwillultimatelyresultingalaxy-galaxymergersonacosmictimescale (jdchurchill), Friday, 29 January 2010 17:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Will you be baking this weekend with it?

Jaq, Friday, 29 January 2010 17:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

sunday is the day to make bread lately for me

thatwillultimatelyresultingalaxy-galaxymergersonacosmictimescale (jdchurchill), Friday, 29 January 2010 18:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

this bread is not so sour, but i am not sure i made it correctly as i didn't have a scale until today but
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd210/jdchurchil/food%20porn/DSC_0005.jpg?t=1265081572

Anton Levain (jdchurchill), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 03:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

That is some handsome bread. How did it taste?

vacation to outer darkness (Abbott), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Those are really beautiful loaves!

Jaq, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nice pair.

krakow, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 10:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

i was not able to correctly identify how much of the levain i put in there and b/c of this the loaves are at best subtly sour. i had a sandwich yesterday with salami and mustard and thought the bread tasted like normal bread. then last night i had a slice by itself and still could barely taste any acidity. however my proof times were right in the range which makes me happy about my mother culture. the crumb on the batard is a bit tighter than i would like, but it's soft and not too chewy. i guess i will update again once i cut into the boule.

Anton Levain (jdchurchill), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah i tried that starter thing and got the fizz and bad smell but it just died after that, even though i followed the instructions

harbl, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

what starter you tried?

Anton Levain (jdchurchill), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

flour and water in a jar

harbl, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

i guess you might be able do it with regular flour, but most of the stuff i have read calls for 'whole' forms of ground grains; either wheat or preferably rye (organic even). them yeasts be on the outsides of them grainz, yo.

Anton Levain (jdchurchill), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

i dunno i got yeast from the air, it was obvious from the smell and bubbliness but it died after the second feeding. i think i just have bad luck with bread in general.

harbl, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

"During milling, however, up to 95% of the microbial population may be
removed with the feed fractions (6). When counts are compared (Table I) in flour
and in wheat from which the flour was milled, the bacterial population in most
flours was about one-tenth that in wheat. This indicates that modern flour
milling operations are efficient in reducing the number of bacteria."
from here

Anton Levain (jdchurchill), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 20:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

had a dismal failure this week. forgot to feed my sourdough culture the day before baking and fed it like 3hours before use. this did not work at all. also was trying to maintain it at less than 100% hydration which i think compounded the effect of not letting time go by after the feeding. the loaf i didn't throw away looks sad and limp and tastes like a bagel for some reason. gah! lesson learned damnit

Anton Levain (jdchurchill), Monday, 15 March 2010 22:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

shoulda made soda bread

Walter Pate On (jdchurchill), Friday, 19 March 2010 00:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

DAMN those are beautiful loaves! Your house must smell amazing.

One day I will bake challah. One day. Probably not soon.

quincie, Friday, 19 March 2010 16:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

thanks quincie

Walter Pate On 'sweetness' (jdchurchill), Saturday, 20 March 2010 00:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

is there any way to measure the hydration of my sourdough starter? i've been feeding it (and using amounts of it) for a couple of months now, but my flour-to-water ratio has been roughly 1:1 (but ROUGHLY), and i'm wondering what hydration it is, as a number of the bread websites i've been checking lately have been varying the hydration percentages for different loaves...

Worth waiting for the fannypunch at 4.02 (stevie), Saturday, 12 June 2010 08:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Weigh an amount of it, then dry it out in the oven and weigh it again. The missing weight once it's dry is the water.

Jaq, Saturday, 12 June 2010 15:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

jaq as usual otm. also i reckon if you mean 1:1 you talkin volume, and in this situation i would guestimate 125-150% hydration which is to say for every gram of flour theys a gram and a quarter to a gram and a half water. ime it matters very little what hydration one maintains they starter at, just keep the bakers math on point

legalize gay pot (jdchurchill), Saturday, 12 June 2010 17:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

thanks both!

Worth waiting for the fannypunch at 4.02 (stevie), Monday, 21 June 2010 09:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

big lols

Grisly Addams (WmC), Sunday, 11 July 2010 17:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

I don't belong here but I got a jones to make bread. After research decided chapatis would be easiest to start with. Disaster ensues. My kitchen is covered with flour and so am I. The "breads" looked great stuck to the rolling pin I bought for this occasion but I could not get them off it looking so great. Followed a recipe, WTF. F*ck a bread, so frustrating. I will go back to my NN roots which doesn't include it. Want A+ tasty food homemade. Mad respect for all you eminent bakers, jdc A+. I will continue to admire your skillz. Thanks for showing your pro results and getting the cooking proletariat inspired to try even a little. Baking ambassador.

soviet, Sunday, 8 August 2010 00:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Odd that this thread gets bumped just minutes after I finished making a loaf of bread for the first time. It actually turned out really well.

I followed this recipe FWIW: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-To-Make-Bread-without-a-bread-machine/

Janet Privacy Control (corey), Sunday, 8 August 2010 00:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

if we're sharing recipes... this is wonderful, idiot-proof white bread (http://www.danlepard.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2593) and a recipe i wish i'd started with when i started making bread, as it is a great, easy loaf, with great results. and these rolls (http://www.danlepard.com/recipes/2010/07/2851/semolina-bbq-buns/) are a little trickier, but so delicious...

are you some kinda rap version of marc loi (stevie), Sunday, 8 August 2010 09:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Followed the same recipe as before, with better results this time (and cut a fancy X in the center :D)

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs156.ash2/41117_419188966537_687686537_4961523_2906430_n.jpg

I let it proof for an hour, then kneaded it again and let it come back to size on the pan, and later brushed on some olive oil for the last five minutes — the crust turned a lovely brown and is deliciously crispy. :)

Joanie Loves Shakuhachi (corey), Friday, 13 August 2010 04:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

!

Want A+ tasty food homemade (jdchurchill), Friday, 13 August 2010 13:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

for the easiest bread in the world, do soda bread

http://www.howdidyoumakethat.com/content/marnas-soda-bread

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

agree soda bread is mad easy and good to do

Want A+ tasty food homemade (jdchurchill), Monday, 16 August 2010 01:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

I made this buttermilk cluster as two loaves instead of a pan of rolls -- very nice, fine-textured crumb, better for sandwiches than the italian loaves I'd been making. And like all homemade bread, it makes great toast.

the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Sunday, 17 April 2011 17:16 (six years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

for my chi-town peeps i am involved in teaching bread classes as part of http://www.sourflour.org/chicago/

Das Unbehagen in der Kultur (jdchurchill), Thursday, 2 February 2012 02:24 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

How important is putting bread dough into a preheated oven? I use the oven as a proofing chamber because the kitchen stays pretty cold and the pilot light keeps the oven warm but not too hot. When it's time to bake, could I just turn on the oven without taking the dough out? I'm proofing it in the dutch oven that it bakes in.

oldbowie (WilliamC), Monday, 30 December 2013 17:05 (three years ago) Permalink

there's a discussion her
ehttp://community.kingarthurflour.com/content/starting-cold-oven

i think it ultimately depends on if the dutch oven is ceramic or cast iron --- it seems that a cold oven is suggested for ceramic receptacles/baking stones etc so that they don't crack, but if yr using cast-iron or enamelled cast-iron, you wouldn't need to do that & it may change how the bread turns out?

it's been years since I made bread from scratch, so idk

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 December 2013 19:40 (three years ago) Permalink

It's enameled cast iron. It's rising very well in the oven, and I don't want to accidentally de-gas the dough with the impact of moving it around a couple of times, especially into a colder environment, so I'm going to try just turning the oven on. Thanks for that link!

oldbowie (WilliamC), Monday, 30 December 2013 20:29 (three years ago) Permalink

It depends a lot on the dough - for most, you want a hot oven so the steam/gas in the dough can puff it up before the crust forms too much. A slower oven dries out the dough more during the rising/crust forming stages, again for most.

Jaq, Monday, 30 December 2013 20:31 (three years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

My last couple of bakes have been absolutely beautiful. Letting the preferment sit overnight was not working -- cutting back to four hours tops meant it was still very active and raring to go when I mixed the dough. Finally getting the hang of the Kitchenaid mixer. For this last batch, I had new silicone loaf pans. Got a huge oven bounce.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/aprilbread2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/aprilbread1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/aprilbread3.jpg

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 15:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Gorgeous!

Jaq, Sunday, 6 April 2014 15:17 (three years ago) Permalink

Thanks! I'm learning that little things can mean so much -- barely warming the oiled bowl that the dough rises in, and making a slightly wetter dough. But not exhausting the preferment has been the most important lesson.

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 15:30 (three years ago) Permalink


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