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I think I'm going to ask for a henkels knife for xmas, anyone have any countersuggestions? also this is the thread to talk about learning good knife technique.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 18 November 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I have two of the Henkels - 6" chef and 10" carving and I love them to the point of being overprotective. I have been thinking about those acclaimed Japanese knives, but Rock Hardy dissuaded me a bit on it. I bought my daughter a Wustof chef and paring a few years ago and she loves them. I bought a $5 Wustof paring knife at a kitchen outlet a few months ago and it's excellent. I think a big part of it is how well it fits your hand and how balanced a knife feels to you.

My knife technique is slow and uneven. The "curved fingers" thing, I have never gotten a feel for. I'd love to be able to chop fast, but things would end up all over the kitchen if I did. And I have these terrifying visions of chopping into my fingers and hands, so I am timid about it.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 18 November 2005 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Where does Rock talk about knives? I am sort of a convert to the Japanese knife shapes -- santoku, nakiri, deba, etc. I don't use them exclusively but they seem significantly more comfortable/faster/satisfying than my old Sabatier wedge-shaped chef's knives. Also the asymmetrical cross-section, whereby only one edge of the Japanese knife is beveled, so the other edge meets the cutting board at exactly 90 degrees (is that clear?) is appealing. Doubtless it's a matter of personal preference. I might just hang out at Korin too much.

I recommend the MAC santoku as a great all-purpose knife (granton blade not necessary). It keeps its edge longer than most, and has great balance and a lovely curve to the cutting edge.

ALSO take your brand-new knife to a good sharpening service before bringing it home and using it. They typically come from the store with a decent but not optimal edge. This will add $5 to the price of the knife and 80% to the pleasure of using it.

My latest knife is a little Opinel folding knife. It makes me want to stroll the French countryside deftly cutting into cheeses and pears and hard country sausages. More likely I will get searched and arrested on the subway for having it in my bag.

Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 18 November 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, this is a nice basic tutorial on knives and knife skills.

Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 18 November 2005 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

When Rock Hardy (aka William) visited Seattle, we all went to Uwajimaya (huge Asian market/food court/gift shop/bookstore) and spoke of knives. I'm still thinking about a santoku though.

What about cutting boards? I've been using the plastic ones with the grippy underside - easy to nuke with bleach water after use and not too dear to replace. But - we were given a bamboo cutting board as a gift, and I'm afraid to use it for 2 reasons: it's beautiful and it seems very very hard.

What a great link, btw - thanks for that.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 18 November 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, a friend is moving (back) to some island off Seattle soon. I'll have to visit and check out the famed Uwajimaya at some point.

My favorite cutting board material in terms of feel is Sani-Tuff, a sort of very hard rubber. Unfortunately it hasn't really made a splash in the consumer market yet, because/therefore it only comes in a fairly hideous buff color.

Polypropylene boards never feel good to me -- too slick a surface maybe? Not enough gravitas? My main board is a large butcher block that I got at Ikea for $20 and never expected great things from, but now, six years of daily use later, it's showing very little wear, and I am rather attached to the woody old thing.

Haven't tried bamboo. They are quite expensive, no? I read something somewhere -- they are more resistant to bacteria? Less? If you're scrupulous with the bleach I suppose it doesn't matter. The hardness would worry me though. My friend uses a glass one, which I think is insane.

Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 18 November 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I never realized I was so interested in knives, but apparently I am! I just came across this new article, which seconds my love for MAC.

Paul Eater (eater), Saturday, 19 November 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

The MAC certainly sounds impressive. I was checking out the 6.5" hollow edge santoku and spotted this:

MAC 6.5-in. Santoku Knife: Hollow Edge
# All purpose, extra control
# Glides through vegetables such as potatoes and tungsten alloy
# Resin impregnated wood handle
# Not dishwasher safe


Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 19 November 2005 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, it makes chopping tungsten vegetables a breeze, but I haven't hit on the right marinade yet to remove that metallic taste.

Paul Eater (eater), Saturday, 19 November 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

a little vinegar, a little WD40....

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 20 November 2005 00:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Paul Eater, I owe you a drink. That knife tutorial you linked to illustrated a critical bit I've been missing in all my knife-wielding years - have the thumb and forefinger on the knife blade and the rest of the fingers wrapped around the handle. I sliced up a whole pork loin tonight (half into chops and half chopped for pork pie), chopped a pound of pork belly, including removing the skin, and minced 1/2 a pound of semi-frozen pork fat deftly and with confidence - and also with less effort.

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 20 November 2005 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Glad to hear it! It was just a link (and perhaps it's only a fantasy that when I first found it a few years ago, it had several more of those nice animations) but sure, I'll take a drink, or some pork pie.

Yeah, if you just hold a knife by its handle, it feels like a rolling pin: you have much less control. I'm surprised that Oxo or somebody hasn't made a clever new knife design based on that fact -- perhaps somebody has.

Paul Eater (eater), Sunday, 20 November 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got a pretty good selection of Globals which fell mysteriously off the back of a lorry at a bargain price back when I was cooking for the money. I've got about fifteen or so, but I only ever use two or three of them (I'm constantly on the look out for excuses to use the REALLY BIG one).

Some people find them to be a bit too light, but as such they're pretty good for chopping fast, take an edge easily and hold it well. So they'll more than do for me. Plus they look really cool, and the boning knife is vicious.

Matt (Matt), Monday, 21 November 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I too love Opinel knives, they are very sharp when new & a pleasure to hold in the hand, but the blades aren't made of stainless steel, so are liable to tarnish & rust if not well cared for.

bham, Monday, 21 November 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

How long is your really big knife, Matt? If I were going to splurge on another 10-incher I might get a Global or a ceramic one -- something light. I don't use my long'un that much, but it's great for chopping little discrete things like carrots. You move your hand up and down much less, because the tip of the knife, which you're keeping on the board, is further from your hand -- with a shorter knife, you have to lever your hand way up to get the blade above the next carrot. (What is the engineering term I'm looking for here? Moment arm? Radians of torque?) Unfortunately the Sabatier one I have is carbon steel and quite heavy, negating the labor-saving effect of the angle.

My Opinel was not at all sharp when new, but it keeps its edge very nicely now that it's got one. Time was, no knives were stainless! You've just got to be careful with tomatoes and such.

Anybody here sharpen their own? Also, anybody seen Teeny?

Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 21 November 2005 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I've used a steel to straighten the edge, but have never tried to sharpen one myself. Are those ceramic sharpener thingies that you zip the blade through actually worth it? Or is a whetstone the way to go?

Teeny was just over there --- >

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 21 November 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I've tried the $20 ceramic sharpener and the $150 electric diamond sharpener and the whetstone method but they all seem to make the blades just a bit duller than they were. Apparently some finesse is needed. It's something I'd love to learn. Very handy, I imagine, after the apocalypse, when my local sharpener has packed up her bench and fled to higher ground. Interestingly (or not) the half-dozen best knife-sharpeners I know are female -- maybe it's a chromosomal sort of finesse.

I did get in the habit of giving my knives a good steeling after every use.

Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 21 November 2005 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been tempted by the sharpener with James Beard's endorsement that used to be advertised in the New Yorker. Anything advertised in the New Yorker has to be worth it, right?

I used to have a whetstone with the oil and the whole nine yards, but it was tricksy work and when I lost it in a move I didn't worry about it. Next time I need to sharpen the knives I'm going to see if my father has a wheel on his bench grinder that would be appropriate.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Monday, 21 November 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Cool! I am all over that! Oh wait, I thought you said endorsed by James Bond.

Those "easy" sharpeners enforce their idea of what a good bevel is, which I think is incompatible with (for example) these nice Japanese knives, some of which are beveled on just one side, and have a much skinnier angle (17 degrees rather than 25?) and thus feel much sharper.

There's extensive sharpening info on the web, like here and here. That first link does seem to like the Chef's Choice 120 electric sharpener, which I see on eBay for $90 or so.

Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 21 November 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

the global sharpener is fantastic, really does put a good edge on mine, and like matt says they can be vicious little bastards, especially the flexible filleting knife.

I tend to use the big chefs knife more than any other though, for most work.

They do make that nasty callous at the base of the index finger really bad though due to the very sharp shoulder on them.

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 21 November 2005 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

A butcher's steel is a round file with the teeth running the long way. They are intended for mild steel knifes that are steeled several times a day, but are not suitable for today's tougher and harder steels. I know a knife shop owner and knifemaker that disagrees, but in my opinion they belong in a knife museum along with natural stones.

Yes! I generally get good result steeling my biggest knife, a cheap 10" butchers knife, with much less effort than it takes with my Henckels 6" utility. Also, I'm glad to know I'm not the only person who anchors the steel vertically instead of doing the whip-whip-whip in the air. I'm just afraid I'm going to accidentally kill one of the cats doing that.

Maybe I should just get a leather strop. (And wear a boater and grow a handlebar moustache.)

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Monday, 21 November 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I have just ordered a Spyderco Tri-Angle Sharpmaker System, which quite a few people have recommended. I will report back -- it comes with a DVD tutorial.

All the sharpening web sites say you should be able to shave your arm with a well-sharpened knife by scraping it at a perpendicular angle, but none of my knives, not even the absurdly sharp ones, seem to do that. Maybe my arm hair is abnormally tough? At least I know how to spot knife enthusiasts in the future -- bald forearms!

Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 21 November 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

The big'un is 10" Paul, it is easier for chopping things I suppose but I so rarely chop like that; my knife technique (which I think stems from hour after hour chopping mirepoix and salad prep for sadistic chefs) is more to run a smaller knife held by the handle and the top of the blade across rather than chopping down. It's murder on chopping boards but you can get a good speed up and it's easier for dice. I generally steel them fairly regularly (free-standing I'm afraid, again a legacy from working kitchens 'cause you look more badass that way).

Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

That's what I use Matt - it's perfect for all sorts of chopping, onions are like a dream with it.

The Global sharpener I have has kind of two little whetstones that rotate with water in the bottom, one harder (or maybe finer) than the other. They make a lovely edge too, I use them before every time I use them (or try to) and they seem to always be arm-shavingly keen. I do have a couple of discolourations on them which shames me a little, they've come from leaving them out on the drying rack :(

Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
does anyone have any suggestions for decent cheap knives? i've completely fucked up my only half-decent one by never sharpening it, and much as i lust after globals etc i don't have the cash right now.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 10:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Get to know a chef, sooner or later a complete set will turn up at a bargain price (hem hem). Worked for me.

Failing that, splash out on one good one rather than a set of cheaper ones. A good quality, decent sized knife will do most jobs you require of it (use the tip for small stuff, main body of the blade for bigger jobs etc)

Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 11:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Your half-decent one can probably be salvaged. Find a sharpener who can take the edge down to totally fresh steel and put a fine edge on it.

I went to the Alton Brown website the other day and he's flogging some line of knives now. They look pretty good -- I had a moment of lust.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Wustof makes an inexpensive line. I bought one of their paring knives for $5 at an outlet store that is now my favorite knife.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah! It's the first one. Truly razor sharp. And comfortable for me to use.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Alton, and I like Shun, but those angled handles look like they offer less torque (?) not to mention repetitive stress injuries waiting to happen. Maybe I shouldn't knock them till I try them? I'm sure they're better than Emerilware.

Regarding cheap knives: I too bet that a good lady sharpener could fix up your decrepit knife. Forschner/Victorinox seems to be talked about as the Best Cheap Knife but I have no experience with them. These Tojiros were also recommended to me recently as great knives for the price.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

That Shun website confused me at first, but I think you can get them with or without the angled handles.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Aha. But only the angled ones have the little Alton-face on them! And the non-angled Shun Classics are cheaper almost everywhere else.

I think I'll wait for the line with adjustable angles. I just got the Kyocera vegetable peeler whose head rotates from harp-style to straight-style.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread reminded me to put that Mac santoku on my wishlist.

Also, I was reading on those Sani-tuff boards - you can sand them to resurface! I'm going to order one after the holidays.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Jaq, if you already have all-purpose chef's knives that you're happy with, the santoku might be a little unnecessary, since it sort of fills the same niche. Maybe you'd have more fun with something a little different, like a nakiri. It's designed for vegetables and makes taking apart a head of broccoli a joy, but you'll find all sorts of things it's good at.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

That looks like fun, a mini-cleaver! It's true, I like my Henckel 6" chef's knife. Now, I want just a leeetle bigger kitchen, to put a chopping block in.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, get an usuba if you can, not the nakiri I linked to! I thought the difference between them was just about weight, but apparently an usuba has a one-sided bevel and a nakiri has a symmetrical bevel. The words seem to be tossed around somewhat interchangeably, but the asymmetrical edge feels much sharper than Western knives, so look for that.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

These handmade Japanese kitchen knives look pretty great. And very competitively priced -- the nakiri is only $50!? I better close the computer before I talk myself into buying any more knives.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

LSO take your brand-new knife to a good sharpening service before bringing it home and using it.

This might be a stupid question, but where would would I find a place like this?

Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Yellow Pages maybe, or ask around among friendly kitchen shoppes and restaurants? There are some mail-order sharpening services too, I believe. here's a little list and here's another.

I picture you in Michigan, but is that a true recollection or just a subconscious inference from your Michigany attitude?

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks. I am in Michigan. I was wondering because I ended up with a friend's Global knife and it needs sharpening. Every time I've tried using a whetstone it seems like I've made knifes duller so I didn't want to try doing it myself.

Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

My local cooking utensil shop offers a sharpening service, somewhere like that maybe.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:10 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
i think thiswebsite is not very good it is downright apawling.

martin andrew, Monday, 6 February 2006 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

your speling, otoh, is maggniffissent

Matt (Matt), Monday, 6 February 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I just took delivery of one Sani-Tuff cutting board, mentioned upthread. It's truly a hideous color, and not at all bouncy though made of rubber. It weighs a serious amount, and will do serious damage if dropped. The place I ordered it from (somewhere in NYC) 1) took forever to ship it 2) transposed the numbers in my street address 3) refused to acknowledge that they screwed up, blaming UPS. But, it's here now. Time to go chop something up.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Nice, congratulations! Did you get the huge thick chopping block? Or which one? How do you like it, besides the beigeness?

And what's the name of the place? They're all within a couple of blocks here -- I can go round and demand an apology for the mixup on your behalf.

Paul Eater (eater), Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Time to go chop something up.

pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:39 (eighteen years ago) link

It's like 3/4" thick and 18"x24". I love it, compared to the poly boards especially. It feels right, under the blade, really controlled - does that make sense? I rendered about 6 lbs of pork fat today, so lots of chopping of frozen slippery stuff.

The place is, but that's okay - I'm happy now it's here.

Did you get to try out that knife sharpening thing? I'm still debating if I want to get that into it, or just continue to pay the pros.

Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 25 February 2006 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yes, the knife sharpener. It's on my desk, and I've played with it a bit, but not as much as I need to before providing a full report. The instructional DVD that comes with it shows the company's founder sharpening a penknife, then using it to cut a flat 8.5x11" piece of typing paper the thin way, into two thinner 8.5x11" sheets. I haven't gotten that far yet but I've gotten some knives I thought I'd never use again to arm-shaving sharpness.

You have to think a bit about angles and bevels when you use it, and take into consideration the bevel your knife already has, and it definitely takes an hour's commitment on a dull knife, but the instructions are helpful. It seems like using it without making the initial effort to understand the why of what you're doing might be frustrating or unsatisfying, but if you do that, home sharpening does seem to give a lot of control beyond what taking a knife to a sharpening service offers.

Paul Eater (eater), Sunday, 26 February 2006 05:05 (eighteen years ago) link

(I worry though that too much of this board is me linking to products and you buying them! Still, I'm glad you're happy so far. I could have used a sturdier grippier board for this morning's debonings.)

Paul Eater (eater), Sunday, 26 February 2006 05:12 (eighteen years ago) link

You can get Japanese knives with a double bevel, particularly the western style shapes. Putting a double bevel on a single bevel knife is not really possible, the back side is flat all the way up.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 23 July 2018 07:43 (five years ago) link

Yep, I use regular fine grit sandpaper and then extrafine emery cloth with a sanding block on the sani-tuff board.

Jaq, Monday, 23 July 2018 20:18 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

Finally got my sanituff board. this shit is heavy. And the surface texture is different than I expected.

Yerac, Thursday, 11 October 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link

My latest knife is a little Opinel folding knife. It makes me want to stroll the French countryside deftly cutting into cheeses and pears and hard country sausages. More likely I will get searched and arrested on the subway for having it in my bag.

― Paul Eater (eater), Friday, November 18, 2005 8:39 PM (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

YO I never clocked the post before but I "discovered" Opinel last summer when one of my family brought one camping, and I liked it so much I gave my bf a semi-custom engraved one for Christmas. Whatever you're cutting, this knife will definitely class it up in a rustic European mountain meadow picnic kind of way.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 11 October 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link

I live opinel knives, an almost perfect penknife. Very simple, I love that you knock the heel on your boot to open them, the simple ring lock. Much better than your fancy Swiss Army knives.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 11 October 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link

OOOOH I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. Youtube was very educational.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 11 October 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link

The Opinel is the Platonic ideal of the simple folding knife. I have never seen its simplicity and functionality done better.

The Swiss Army knives are too multiform to pick one version as "the" Platonic ideal, but I strongly favor the Recruit variant: long blade, short blade, can opener w/ small screwdriver, bottle opener w/ large screwdriver, toothpick, tweezers.

nb: a corkscrew on a Swiss Army knive is only favored by poltroons; it is fsr too important a tool to exist as a subordinated afterthought on a knife.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link

I am completely sold on getting an opinel now.

Yerac, Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link

I have one and I probably don't use it for anything other than opening packages and it's still a great tool

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:55 (five years ago) link

Leathermen (Leathermans?) and the like surpass the Swiss Army knife in actual multi tool utility. If I can have one thing that’ll be my one thing and the knife is usable but an opinel is an actual good knife.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:59 (five years ago) link

as a late-stage sufferer of smartphone poisoning I am increasingly drawn to single-purpose devices of all kinds; that's why I bought an electronic metronome instead of downloading an app etc.

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 11 October 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link

I think I lost my leatherman while crabbing one year.

Yerac, Thursday, 11 October 2018 22:53 (five years ago) link

i've seen opinels in stores and thought they were cool. didn't know they had such a great provenance. now i want one.

call all destroyer, Friday, 12 October 2018 01:50 (five years ago) link

i have a stupidly expensive chris reeve folder and a dumb old opinel no8 and tbh i think the opinel is better. it took an edge in about five minutes the other day

gbx, Friday, 12 October 2018 02:50 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Trying to pick out a nakiri knife now. One problem is that the niceness of the knife is directly proportional to how unlikely my spouse will use it (he doesn't want to mess it up.)

Yerac, Monday, 19 November 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link

lol what exactly does he plan on doing with this knife that will mess it up ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 19 November 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link

I received a very nice nakiri as a gift several years ago and suffer from the same affliction. It sits on the rack and I just use my 10yo global instead

gbx, Monday, 19 November 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link

I think he got traumatized when he tried to sharpen some scissors on whetstone on a whim. He's worried that he will ruin knives now even though he was sharpening them before. I just got a MAC santoku and he keep using the shitty ikea knife.

Yerac, Monday, 19 November 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link

xp - sounds like somebody shamed your husband for 'mistreating' a knife and now he's mildly traumatized about it. if the knife would be a gift you're giving him, try to soothe him and promise he can treat it any way he likes and won't hear a peep out of you.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 19 November 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link

The first gift he ever gave me, like when I was 21 yrs old was a henckels chef's knife. The handle finally split. I think he is just worried about having to sharpen it and also chipping it. I probably should not have mentioned how every Shun knife (at friends' houses) I have used was chipped.

Yerac, Monday, 19 November 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link

Ok, I hate my crappy cutting board. Are you liking the sani tuff, Yerac? Rly don't wanna spend $80 on a decent-sized one right now. Any other recs anybody?

form that slug-like grex (outdoor_miner), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I like it. I like how heavy it is (doesn't slide or warp) and hopefully it's better for my new knives. It does stain but who cares. I got the 12x18 one so that was only $38 and it's heavy enough I kind of wouldn't want a bigger one. I do still use my epicurean ones too for quick things.

Yerac, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link

I wanted a nakiri veggie cleaver but ended up getting this as my new knife for now. I spent the entire Friday watching knife sharpening/shropping videos.

Yerac, Saturday, 24 November 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link

These are surprisingly good nakiri-style knives that one's spouse can abuse without excessive guilt:

mick signals, Saturday, 24 November 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link

I assume 12.5 inches is end to end and not just the blade? They are in BOISE!

Yerac, Saturday, 24 November 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link

I need to get new cutting boards and I can’t find anything like a sani tuff here in Australia and shipping one in is heinously expensive. The Japanese equivalent appears to be an Asahi so i’ll have to pick one up in January.

My gyutou and Santoku are really good and I got the same Santoku for my sister. Nothing overly fancy but really easy to keep a good edge on. I’d really like a Usuba and an kitrisuke next.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 24 November 2018 20:37 (five years ago) link

How are you sharpening your knives? I think I am going to just buy a 800 or 1000 grit King block to start and practice on my friends' crappy knives first.

Yerac, Saturday, 24 November 2018 20:55 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I that enso I ordered (it had an additional 20% off) supposedly is useful to use as a paring and utility knife while looking like a small kiriitsuke.

Yerac, Saturday, 24 November 2018 20:57 (five years ago) link

according to my knife/metal guru acquaintance (whose house in Paradise didn't burn!) this is what to get for actual sharpening:
he gave me a little demo once and seemed to like to push his knife away from himself in his sharpening motion, which i'd never seen anybody do before. he had some theory about why he thought sharpening was more effective that way.

form that slug-like grex (outdoor_miner), Saturday, 24 November 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link

bonus: it'll get you high

gbx, Saturday, 24 November 2018 21:12 (five years ago) link

oh, and aforementioned friend recommended using oil and not water or dry

form that slug-like grex (outdoor_miner), Saturday, 24 November 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link

I care for my knives with this guy; probably not going to spend the time learning to use stones in this lifetime

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Saturday, 24 November 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I was watching a ton of videos on different sharpening stones, grits, methods. Some need to be water soaked, perma soaked, oiled, or splash and go. It's a whole thing.

Yerac, Sunday, 25 November 2018 01:00 (five years ago) link

'burrfection' was the youtube channel I was watching where he has tons of videos of different sharpening stones/methods, stropping methods and how to sharpen different types of knives. He's not a professional chef, I think he just became ocd about knives. But I like how he wings it a bit.

Yerac, Sunday, 25 November 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link

I have a diamond coated steel from ikea for day to day and a global 1000 grit stone for more serious sharpening. I can get a fierce edge with these, I’ve taken my knives in for sharpeneing I once or twice along the way.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:17 (five years ago) link

i like 'burrfection,' he's got a lot of enthusiasm and his sang froid about destroying extremely nice knives is...bracing

i use a wusthof 800/2000 and it's fine, but i'd really like some proper japanese waterstones and a sink bridge

gbx, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 02:48 (five years ago) link

I was going to get something to hold the stone then realized that I could just use the sanituff board with towels and maybe a brick on top.

Yerac, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 11:50 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

I am very into sharpening knives on the whetstone now. I think I have the touch.

Yerac, Thursday, 21 February 2019 01:27 (five years ago) link

eleven months pass...

I did a knife sharpening class yesterday and it was somewhat revelatory. I didn’t think I was that bad at it but I got so much better at in a few hours.

Biggest revelation, which I feel dumb for not knowing about, is that your whetstone becomes less than flat very easily. We were to to bring our stones to the class we went over them with a flattener and the difference is remarkable.

I guess I should watch more sharpening stuff on YouTube or whatever.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 15 February 2020 22:43 (four years ago) link

oh yeah, did they make you do the sharpie grid on top to see how not flat it is? I haven't flattened mine yet. I have just been trying to be good about using the entire thing.

Yerac, Saturday, 15 February 2020 23:48 (four years ago) link

my newest knife is an Enso Bunka.

Yerac, Saturday, 15 February 2020 23:55 (four years ago) link

It was a 6B pencil but the effect is much the same.

Interesting how much work it took to sharpen my 15+ year old global vs my kamata (basic stainless one). Both professionally done not so long ago but the softer global took a lot more work than the harder kamata.

I suspect I’m going to get very nerdy about this. Sharpening knives is very relaxing.

Only available till the end of today (Sunday) but this documentary about master knife sharpener, Katsunobu Sakashita is fantastic. Some next level techniques on display here and his arch shaped stone is really interesting.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 16 February 2020 01:52 (four years ago) link

oh yeah pencil not sharpie. I don't know if I find sharpening relaxing yet. The time does fly by though and I am shocked that I spend an hour on a couple of knives. I am thinking of getting a splash and go whetstone because having to soak is something that I sometimes don't want to prepare just for 1 or 2 knives. I have only been honing on cardboard and want to try something else.

Yerac, Sunday, 16 February 2020 02:14 (four years ago) link

oh wow his fingers!

Yerac, Sunday, 16 February 2020 02:50 (four years ago) link

ugh stropping on cardboard I mean, not honing.

Yerac, Sunday, 16 February 2020 03:10 (four years ago) link

It’s kangaroo leather down here or nothing.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 16 February 2020 08:27 (four years ago) link

But yes, his fingers! I am astounded he can still hold chopsticks or do anything that isn’t sharpen knives

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 16 February 2020 08:28 (four years ago) link

You both will enjoy this:

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Sunday, 16 February 2020 12:21 (four years ago) link

Oh wait that’s the kimono episode even though it’s titled as the Sumurai sword episode. Very weird.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Sunday, 16 February 2020 12:23 (four years ago) link

all i can find to view are these clips:

although i did obtain a torrent of the episode.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Sunday, 16 February 2020 22:32 (four years ago) link

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