I hear you’re a racist now, Tony?
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 2 January 2022 08:16 (six months ago) link
You know, sometimes I really like Tony, but this wasn't it, man. Wrestling twitter will throw down for Swole.
― hourspass, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 06:40 (five months ago) link
Yeah, that kind of DVDVR shitposting is a terrible look in every way for Tony, who is just far too online for a person in his position, but I think this may already have more or less have blown over? Lio Rush was the one who immediately leapt in there and he seems to have been pacified by talks with TK.Hoping TK has learned his lesson though. this kinda thing is very funny when it’s about shitting on WWE. But speaking that way publicly about an outgoing employee would be unacceptable, but factoring in all of the additional dynamics of the Swole situation, yeesh. Wouldn’t be surprised if this has shaken the faith of quite a few ppl on the roster
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 11:56 (five months ago) link
Also when the fuck are you gonna sign Danhausen and give him a talk show segment you coward
He’s got an injury, right?
So excited for Thursday morning
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 17:17 (five months ago) link
Danhausen broke his leg at the same show where Mance Warner broke his. Other wrestlers blamed a slippery-when-wet canvas (they must have been using one of those shiny ones like an IKEA bag, or something).
My SO is convinced they’ve already signed Danhausen on the DL. There’s plenty of anecdotal evidence to support that: he’s got lots of friends in the back already (if you catch the vlogs he pops up suspiciously often); T-shirts and signs are conspicuous in the Dynamite/Rampage crowds; and he got Billy Gunn’s sons Rod and Tod over as the Ass Boys.
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 19:31 (five months ago) link
well, i guess it's a little early to call it, but danielson/hangman 2: moty
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 January 2022 01:25 (five months ago) link
bums me out to watch a banger match and also worry about one of my favorite wrestlers getting injured really bad (fenix)
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 January 2022 03:18 (five months ago) link
update: fenix is ok, didn't break but dislocated his arm, out for three weeks while they check on it
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 January 2022 20:44 (five months ago) link
Fyi uk folks rampage is now on itv yesssss
― a hoy hoy, Saturday, 8 January 2022 13:46 (five months ago) link
that Dustin Rhodes powerslam is one of life's purest simple pleasures
― Windsor Davies, Sunday, 9 January 2022 01:13 (five months ago) link
TNT champ outcome spoiled what i thought could have been a great short storyline.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 9 January 2022 08:06 (five months ago) link
great great great great dark last night, stacked bc it was filmed the same night as battle of the belts
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 14:43 (five months ago) link
Here's what the print mag looks like when it's folded out. And yes, these are voted BY OUR READERS, and it's a shoot, brother. pic.twitter.com/OzRivCofFn— Kevin McElvaney, PWI Guy (@wackelvaney) January 12, 2022
rosa/britt match of the year ;_;
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 15:19 (five months ago) link
i prefer the alternate cover with ms. 500 on it! https://www.fanbyte.com/wrestling/join-the-pencil-army-the-essential-lulu-pencil/
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 19:47 (five months ago) link
lulu pencil 4ever
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 January 2022 16:12 (five months ago) link
dynamite was really well-rounded last night, once again felt like a ppv. enjoying britt getting into the superdragonelite mix even though i actually want no heterosexuality in my wrestling
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 January 2022 17:08 (five months ago) link
last night's episode was GREAT. sting!!!!! mox!!!!!!
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 January 2022 13:54 (five months ago) link
cody's promo was both confusing and won me back over to whatever the fuck he's doing, somehow
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 January 2022 14:01 (five months ago) link
Yea the Cody was sloppy as hell but “Cody is too important to allow himself to be tightly produced and therefore his shit is all over the place” has stopped being a negative and is now very much part of the point.Anyway, calling back to the pipe bomb promo as really being ground zero for the kind of fandom that led to AEW (correct) and then being like “yeah when CM Punk said all that shit about all those other companies on Raw and everyone thought he was the coolest wrestler in the world, well I actually did all of that stuff, how dya like them apples” was absolute fucking god tier promo workAlso <3 Mox forever and I hope dealing with that initial heckler was cathartic for him
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 20 January 2022 15:22 (five months ago) link
I've always thought Cody was excellent at character work, whether it be as a heel or as a face. Definitely a much better heel, though. He just has the look for it, especially with the blonde hair.
Great to see Mox back, and man, he looks great. It's a wonder what a few months sober can do. So happy to see him healthy.
― hourspass, Thursday, 20 January 2022 18:21 (five months ago) link
there is a lot to love about Cody, even leaving aside his obviously excellent character work.
him becoming the babyface ace of AEW was so obviously the direction that almost every US wrestling promotion ever in history would have taken but times change and it was clear from day 1 that it wouldn't work (although this would not have stopped many other ppl in the past). it is very much to everyone's credit that they understood this p much from the get go and did different things with him, even if some of it hasn't really worked (Ogogo lol)
i'd argue that the Dustin PPV match / post-match promo was really the moment that AEW became a truly viable proposition and that whole early Dynamite angle where he was feuding with Jericho and the Inner Circle did the air-horns and the heckling and he punched through the glass and they brawled through the arena concourse and "not the dippin dots!", all of that was really funny and really natural throwback pro-wrestling in a way that hadn't been seen for years and was vital in reestablishing that tone - this is silly, it's funny, it doesn't take itself seriously but it's also pretty exciting, wrestling could very easily be like this again. Cody (and Jericho tbf, whatever his other faults) was really really important in getting AEW up and running as a viable proposition in that regard (and tbh i think they've lost a lot of that fun early chaotic energy and wish they'd do more silly shit like that early Rhodes vs Inner Circle feud again).
Cody suffers a bit from being a simply "ok, can sometimes be pretty good in the right environment" in-ring wrestler in an era where p much every remotely athletic doofus who has watched a bit of wrestling can have a "great" 5* match if they just go hard for 25 mins and do a bunch of finisher kick-outs (on that point, surely we're fucking due someone who bucks this trend and bins off the Meltzer-boner 2010s NJPW style and does something a bit different in the main events? idk god bless Dave Meltzer for everything he has achieved (which is all frankly kinda mind-boggling when you consider it in the round), but also he often has pretty crummy taste in wrestling and it's a shame that his word his law. Bryan Danielson and Serena Deeb are the two active AEW wrestlers who are consistently above his reductive bullshit and this is why they are the best in the world. i have hopes for Hook but maybe that's just the hype train in effect?
but back on Cody - I actually really like that he can't just drop an automatic 4.5* Kenny Omega match or cosplay as a 90s AJPW main-eventer or whatever to win over the crowd, because it forces him to find other ways to compensate and try and make himself interesting to fans who are now largely trained to enjoy one style of wrestling above all others. the thing i really love about him is that he has this masochistic mid-90s FMW / imperial-era Sabu mad streak where instead of going 00s indy by doing fucking superkicks and cutters and Canadian destroyers all day like the others, he goes proper grimy 90s indy by overshooting the moonsault, botching the finish and setting fire to himself.
in other words he is less good at what is considered "good modern wrestling" but actually he "gets it" way more than all of those other guys who could have a so-called 4* match with their eyes closed
― Windsor Davies, Friday, 21 January 2022 03:07 (five months ago) link
in other other words, there are some popular AEW favourites who i really enjoy watching on tv but who are essentially all about hitting spots with little to no attention paid to the details; meanwhile Cody Rhodes, while not the best at hitting exciting spots, at least has a proper respect for the fundamental principle underlying all good pro wrestling: "if in doubt, mutilate yourself and bleed everywhere to up the ante"
― Windsor Davies, Friday, 21 January 2022 03:22 (five months ago) link
wow really enjoyed both of those posts windsor
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 22 January 2022 19:00 (five months ago) link
btw the trent/nick jackson match on rampage was a real rager
the thunder rosa/mercedes martinez feud is gonna rock my world, i can tell
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 22 January 2022 19:02 (five months ago) link
Anything that either of them do rocks worlds in general. I love Mercedes Martinez so so much.
Windsor is absolutely otm, and I agree completely with his assessment. My buddy has very similar thoughts as far as the popularity of spots in wrestling now versus the storytelling.
― hourspass, Saturday, 22 January 2022 21:54 (five months ago) link
bits of Rampage i've caught have been good (the Mox and Hook matches), catching up with the rest now, just watching the Trent / Nick match. Nick Jackson hitting a superkick and then immediately botching a dive over the top and nearly spiking himself on the outside = a fun encapsulation of things i do and do not like as outlined in those posts above.
Mox killing Page with elbows and knees before choking him out was a tasty finish. Moxley's whole thing doesn't always completely work for me, he's pretty hammy and it can feel way too much like an amateurish actor playing crazy rather than the actual crazy violent dude thing he's shooting for, but a match / feud with AEW Danielson is ofc gonna be excellent.
everything about Hook just works. I cant wait to see him work a proper back-and-forth match with a serious opponent cause if he can sell a bit and he can work with a guy to make it all hang together in a coherent match then like i don't see what can possibly stop the kid. the fact that Taz's meme-over son turned out to be this ridiculous total package wonderkid right out of the gate is one of the best and most surprising things to have happened in a year full of great and exciting things happening in wrestling
― Windsor Davies, Saturday, 22 January 2022 22:24 (five months ago) link
sorry to see Lio Rush has picked up his bindle and is back out on the road yet again. he's so striking in the ring, he could have been (and tbh hopefully still could be) such a great part of the AEW roster. some of the stuff him and Dante were doing in their tag matches, that double-team shit built around co-ordinated rope-running, i've never seen anything like it.
maybe some of the Dragon Gate 6 man tags got to that level of speed and smoothness but I've never really dug into that stuff so that could be way wide of the mark.
either way, sorry to see him go, but hopefully he's not gonna retire again any time soon. you'd imagine even if he's done with AEW he'll automatically be a draw for any indy which can book him at this stage
― Windsor Davies, Saturday, 22 January 2022 22:34 (five months ago) link
thank u both for kind words on the above rants which tbh I read back the next day and cringed at quite a bit (as I so often do whenever I write much on the internet). i like to think and talk about wrestling very much, I think it's all fascinating, but there is a dearth of spaces in which to do so. I only really know of two types of wrestling messageboard (ignoring Reddit and its ilk here because yuck) and neither of them are ideal. i am now gonna rant some more about this before looking back and cringing.
There are the ones where a bunch of very old, very crusty dudes who have all online-known each other for 25 years argue for the 50th time about whether Jerry Lawler or Volk Han is actually the greatest wrestler of all time and they write each other long essays about sundry topics of interest to the serious wrestling fan. these guys generally think that Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Kenny Omega, Kurt Angle and many other GOAT popular favourites are totally beneath contempt as wrestlers and that the majority of fans who enjoy these wrestlers are total rubes who know less than nothing about what they're watching.
These kinds of forums are very useful places for learning about old wrestling and different wrestling cultures and different ways of watching wrestling and they can have (or sometimes used to have) that wonderful intensity you get when ppl who care far far too much about the niche hobby to which they have devoted their lives and, having honed their ideas by arguing among themselves for years and years, really get the bit between their teeth and start typing. tbh i kinda think god bless these guys and their little world. in certain respects some of them at least are pioneers. no one except Dave Meltzer has ever written or thought about any of this shit because why would you (because it's often fascinating, of course!)
on the other hand there are other places which are more representative of the modern fan, and these are useful for keeping up with news, current promotions, social media shenanigans, whatever latest revolting bile Jim Cornette has spewed out of his failing liver etc. these places can also occasionally be fun / funny for live posting during shows and the people there tend to be a bit more au fait with the niceties of civilised conversation in the 2020s and avoid some of the more problematic "58 year old wrestling fan with opinions on the modern world" bullshit you get in the old man forums.
but these also tend to be the places where Meltzer's word on star ratings is law, where it is completely verboten to suggest that Okada might not actually be the greatest wrestler who has ever lived but simply "very good, with certain limitations", where every Lucha Bros vs Private Party tag match or whatever is a thrilling match of the year contender rather than a brainless sugar rush mess (and don't get me wrong, i like a brainless sugar rush mess - just not all the time, and let's not then pretend that because Meltzer gives it 4 stars it was actually much cop as a wrestling match).
i admire the first kind of forum but it's the second kind which drives the "discourse" and this is the audience more than any other to which AEW plays. I think this might end up being a bad thing in the long-run.
what i am saying is can someone please come up with a new place where I can talk about wrestling which is neither of the those kinds of places described above, and can Tony Khan then book a wrestling show just for the true cognoscenti i.e. me and my friends
― Windsor Davies, Saturday, 22 January 2022 23:28 (five months ago) link
true to form, really wishing i hadn't posted the above, but seeing as i did, i'm gonna add to it, by noting that while thinking about these things i am reminded that Dom Passantino, late of this parish, once did actually start a wrestling blog that went nowhere, taking as its starting premise the following pearl of well-expressed insight
"There’s two types of pro-wres blog: the one written by the autistic and the one written by the manchild"
and while I wouldn't frame it in those terms myself (if only i were so pithy) i think he had a point which holds good.
There can be merit to some of the close reading to which some of the old timers described in that previous post subject wrestling matches, under certain circs it can be educational, but in terms of stuff that is actually fun to read, you can p much count the writers on one hand. the guy who did the Rumblemetrics blog and then later reviewed every Fighting Network RINGS show was very good i thought (http://tkscissors.blogspot.com/).
― Windsor Davies, Sunday, 23 January 2022 03:29 (five months ago) link
first post is good. the first thing i ever read that made me consider checking out shoot style (though i watched UWF / newborn UWF stuff rather than RINGS, which I have only ever really dipped my toes into)
― Windsor Davies, Sunday, 23 January 2022 03:43 (five months ago) link
i think he had a point which holds good.
to be quite clear on what i meant here, although i hope it was self-explanatory, i meant that he was essentially correct that there was no good writing to be had on the subject of wrestling (excepting always Meltzer of course, who is and always has been a hilarious, delightful avant-garde artist working in prose, besides all of his actual journalistic attributes)
― Windsor Davies, Sunday, 23 January 2022 04:09 (five months ago) link
Oooh I didn’t know the rumblemetrics guy started a different blog. Such a shame he doesn’t do that anymore, his one post a year was always something I adored.
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 23 January 2022 14:45 (five months ago) link
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 January 2022 03:36 (five months ago) link
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 27 January 2022 09:54 (five months ago) link
i'm so happy
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 January 2022 13:11 (five months ago) link
this could be absolute magic if properly woven into the Punk/MJF storyline
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 27 January 2022 13:55 (five months ago) link
how about those spots in that ladder match? god bless those boys, the whole thing ruled
up until now i had been worrying a bit that Wardlow wasn't gonna be ready and that the long foreshadowed turn was gonna feel a bit rote but man, last night he felt ready (and of course he was getting the hometown babyface bump, but still); ppl are gonna blow up when it happens and i think if they can stick the landing with a big win on PPV in a good match against MJF (and I reckon you can totally trust MJF to deliver that at this stage) then the Wardog is looking pretty well set for a big run now, people love him
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 27 January 2022 15:22 (five months ago) link
Wardlow's purported turn on MJF has been laid on too thick imo. Although it relied on WWE's bullshit do-they-know-the-cameras-are-there backstage shit to stick the landing, Batista's 2005 turn on HHH relied on HHH and Flair wrongly thinking Dave was dumb and trying to manipulate him and keep their disrespect for him on the downlow. MJF berating Wardlow and going out of his way to insult him in ways that aren't even necessary on twitter makes both MJF look dumb for not charming Wardlow to keep him onside instead of respecting the obviously comparatively useless grunt Shawn Spears, and Wardlow look dumb for putting up with such obvious naked contempt for so long
As such it can ONLY BE that this in fact a swerve and Wardlow will realign himself fully with MJF and commit to the heel role
― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 27 January 2022 16:46 (five months ago) link
I let's say half believe this
― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 27 January 2022 16:47 (five months ago) link
Also: very nice
― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 27 January 2022 16:48 (five months ago) link
i aort of kwym but is that maybe a problem with MJF (mighty tho he is in the art of heeling it up) not actually being particularly subtle? it's an interesting thought which hadn't occured to me but i think you've got to give the people what they want, in the end.
right minded folk have always correctly ripped on WWE's big man fetish but the tiny kernel of wisdom to that misguided approach is that even in these enlightened days i think most wrestling fans just love to see a big old muscly brute of a dude ragdolling smaller folk about the ring, provided ofc that the aforementioned brute is also pretty cool (Wardlow imo is extremely cool). AEW have not yet had this type of attraction and although it's not really polite to say it out loud I think tbh that's a failing and it's a thing which has been missing from the pro-wrestling buffet they serve up. i for one am ready to see this gigantic man tear through some of the roster for a bit
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 27 January 2022 17:15 (five months ago) link
also do something with Hobbs and give me Wardlow vs Hobbs and both of them vs Miro ASAP plz. did you see Hobbs's get-up on Dynamite?! the guy couldn't miss if he tried
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 27 January 2022 17:17 (five months ago) link
I guess the logical flashpoint is for Micky Wardz to win the TNT title, show some measure of grudging badass respect to Sami or whoever he murders for it, and then obliterate MJF instead of relinquishing the belt to him - "thanks for the extra salary, you have outlived your usefulness"
― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 27 January 2022 17:20 (five months ago) link
Nothing better than a big man running wild. (He was a heel, whereas Wardlow will be a face but) Matanza in Lucha Underground was the greatest feeling. How the hell could any of these luchadores stop him? It made it impossible to turn away while he was rising to the/on top.
I bloody hope they let Wardlow go crazy with it. One thing AEW lacks is unpredictability. I mean I absolutely love the show and I love Tony’s respect for long term booking, but I just couldn’t conceive Sgt B’s idea of a swerve happening. I also think they’ll go the predictable “be a monster (potential tnt champo)” rout they’ve done for all the other big men they were on sure of, like miro archer and brodie. But I wish they would go nutzo. Hangman will need some motherfuckers to prove himself against too.
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 28 January 2022 08:15 (five months ago) link
Nick Jackson hitting a superkick and then immediately botching a dive over the top and nearly spiking himself on the outside = a fun encapsulation of things i do and do not like as outlined in those posts above.
I know he's not nearly the only one, but the weird Nick botches are always the ones that stay with me the most. I believe it was at All Out 2019, with their match against the Lucha Bros, where Nick went for a dive, clipped his leg on the top rope, and crashed half wrong onto the tables underneath. Sometimes I wonder how intentional some of them are, since they always look so terrible.
And they had me with that Wardlow tease! I really thought that it was time, but I guess they wouldn't do it on a Dynamite, no matter how special the Dynamite was supposed to be. I imagine they save it for Revolution, or wait until MJF goes for the gold.
― hourspass, Friday, 28 January 2022 20:55 (five months ago) link
Watching Dynamite after the Rumble and it’s really night and day. The RR seemed so stale and predictable and old. Dynamite is exciting and fresh and unpredictable. The ladder match was beautiful, Sammy’s cutter will be on highlight reels for the next 20 years.
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 30 January 2022 16:17 (five months ago) link
jungleboy and luchasaurus are just unbelievable
so fucking excited for thunder rosa vs. mercedes martinez on the next rampage
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 31 January 2022 01:53 (five months ago) link
Tbf some sources were reporting MJF had no expectation of being able to get a raise without adding time to his deal, hard to think he would expect to have any leverage to do that with 18 months left to run
Per T Khan's OTT tweets, cringey digs at WWE and particularly the Big Swole stuff he is evidently at the very least immature and a terrible communicator, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were multiple strands to the beef
(Doing anything to jeopardise Mickey Wardlow's ascension to megastardom should carry a custodial sentence though, read the room Max jfc)
― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 30 May 2022 17:17 (one month ago) link
All of us after MJF shows up and wrestles his match without incident. #AEWDoN pic.twitter.com/nAVMQFHDXl— JamieOD (@JamieOD) May 29, 2022
maura sent me this tweet before the ppv and it's still accurate
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 30 May 2022 17:22 (one month ago) link
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 23:40 (one month ago) link
i guess we knew this already (and most of this is fuckin Wade Keller and therefore to be taken with a fistful of salt) but it sounds as though the gist is that all sorts of people are now being paid substantially more than him, the vast majority of whom have nowhere near his value to the company and some of whom aren't even active on the roster.
and rather than airing his grievance about this in full MJF might have just given broad indications that he wasn't particularly happy about this state of affairs while quietly taking it extremely personally, stewing and finally exploding. and as biscuits points out, it's quite believable at this stage that Tony Khan wasn't particularly sensitive in his handling of this.
which, now that the dust has settled and the initial outrage about MJF potentially screwing Wardlow out his big moment, tbh I think the guy has a pretty cast-iron case. the no show nonsense was the wrong move cause how is Khan supposed to bow to that kind of pressure and establish the precedent that he can be pushed around by his wrestlers
but the only people hired since day 1 who have offered / can offer more than MJF in the men's division are Punk and Danielson. that feud with Punk alone ought to have been enough to earn him the raise.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 23:49 (one month ago) link
i hope they work it out. he's the best they've got and it would be a fucking tragedy to see him wasted in WWE.
finally got round to watching DoN in full (and if anyone wants me to stop bringing negative vibes into the discussion I won't take it all personally as I know I'm like a broken record and I don't wanna shit up the thread), but they're in a real rut atm.
there were a bunch of good matches but that's par for the course. Cole and Britt as cup winners was a tremendously bad idea and the booking of the whole tournament, right down to the choice of participants on the men's side, has been a let down. the Hardys are done. this was a waste of the Young Bucks. Darby / KOR was a fine match but it did not need to be on a 4 hour show. i still can't muster any enthusiasm at all about Sky, Kazarian or Sammy in the TNT title scene given all the talent they've got elsewhere.
it's fine, obv, cause it's now full steam ahead for the NJPW show which is gonna be electric. but they've made a lot of bad choices this year and it's showing
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 23:59 (one month ago) link
great coda to the ppv
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 June 2022 00:05 (one month ago) link
If MJF bounces for WWE, good for him, but if he thinks he’ll be getting the Cody-level push…. Lol.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 1 June 2022 01:03 (one month ago) link
one of the best dynamites ever
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 June 2022 02:03 (one month ago) link
yeah that was an incredible show
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 2 June 2022 12:26 (one month ago) link
this is maybe my favorite tweet ever
demo of elvis costello's rejected triple H entrance theme pic.twitter.com/GlMrO5hWl1— bossmoz (@BossMoz) January 7, 2018
― frogbs, Sunday, 5 June 2022 19:23 (four weeks ago) link
A bunch of my friends went to Double or Nothing, and they said that Anarchy in the Arena was great for them in the actual arena, but they couldn't imagine what it looked like for those watching at home.
Best debut, however:
If ever there was a perfect pairing in wrestling this would have to be it...@Jade_Cargill @Malcolmvelli #AEWDoN #AEW @AEW pic.twitter.com/QT57JO4bGj— Scott Lesh (@ScottLesh724) May 30, 2022
― hourspass, Monday, 6 June 2022 18:57 (three weeks ago) link
So this MJF stuff - started out real. They reached a compromise position before the ppv (temporary? long term?) and did the match. MJF cuts that promo on Dynamite (real emotions perhaps but would have to be fake for them even to consider letting it air). May have actually landed sufficiently badly with the Warner execs in the audience on the night that it’s now back to being a shoot, in some respects?
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 6 June 2022 19:46 (three weeks ago) link
How the fuck are you even supposed to keep up with this?Either way I think MJF is pretty clear the guy. Within whatever narrow scope it’s possible for a wrestler to blow up to superstardom (particularly without the WWE machine behind you), he’s the one
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 6 June 2022 19:47 (three weeks ago) link
Considering how much Tony Khan loves playing the classics, I’m 100% convinced this is just them playing Pillman & Punk, and they knew it would only work if they really created a mess to begin it. MJF was the golden child like a month ago and acts like a spoiled brat going into the match where he was guaranteed to be power moved 10 times? He has also been known to quote old Punk promos, so I can see him feeling like a kid in a candy shop trying to figure out with TK how to get his own “is this real” pipe Bomb that echoed that one from 11 years ago. I bet he was disappointed he couldn’t spear Cena through a table to start it. I presume the Sasha/Naomi thing really helped them pull the trigger.
Idk or maybe it is real. Work or shoot, he deserves a better pay check.
The one real fucked up thing is Cody’s injury. There is absolutely no way he should have worked that match looking like a 1/3 of a corpse, and I really hope it hasn’t set a precedent to make other people at WWE have to work hurt.
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 06:38 (three weeks ago) link
it seems like in this day in age to break out in WWE you need some unexpected violence. Becky Lynch had a rocket strapped to her after that Smackdown invasion from then on out.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:34 (three weeks ago) link
And I guess this is the first “breakout” star since then haaaa
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 17:41 (three weeks ago) link
more of Stokely Hathaway making 90s r&b-laced promos.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 9 June 2022 11:36 (three weeks ago) link
Jeff Hardy. Dammit. They’ve got to fire him. Evelyn Waugh was a prick but “a blow falling on a bruise, no shock, just a dull and sickening pain” pretty well captured the particular blend of sadness and revulsion that the unsalvageable addict inspires in ppl who care about them Do what you can to help and support him, pay for treatment if he wants it, but they can’t continue to promote him. He shouldn’t have been on the show anyway for obvious aesthetic and health-related reasons but this isn’t that. He’s done Fuckin sucks
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 13 June 2022 19:46 (two weeks ago) link
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 13 June 2022 20:03 (two weeks ago) link
pretty much every take i've seen on this has been utterly infuriating, from smug "WWE was right all along" to complacent "i don't get it, he couldn't possibly have had a cushier job, why self-destruct like this now" to self-righteous "fuck him and all drunk drivers, i hope he burns in hell". wrestling fans really are the worst. he's not a well man and it's a heart-breakingly sad story. always hoped he'd find a peaceful place but it's looking less and less likely
not that the wrestling side of things matters at all in the bigger picture but he truly was special. for such a terrible talker and mediocre wrestler he inspired a level of devotion in his fans that very few wrestlers of any level and in any period or context have ever achieved. and not only because he threw himself down from absurdly high places. that intangible quality that just makes people love you, that. shit can't be learned or faked, you either have it or you don't and he had it in extraordinary quantities.
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 13 June 2022 23:29 (two weeks ago) link
Amen to all of that.
I’m sick of all the bad takes.
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 07:36 (two weeks ago) link
we all knew will ospreay vs. dax hardood would be match of the year, and it was
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 June 2022 03:31 (two weeks ago) link
all of the forbidden door microfeuds are unfolding in a way that seems drawn from the pages of someone's au wrestling fanfic, and i love it
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 June 2022 03:47 (two weeks ago) link
I’ve not seen it yet but Wardlow v 20 was my pick for potential MOTY
― a hoy hoy, Thursday, 16 June 2022 05:51 (two weeks ago) link
finishing up dynamite right now. the ladder match is incredible. feel like you could put together a pretty long youtube comp of "the most insane aew ladder matches" at this point
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 June 2022 15:57 (two weeks ago) link
yeah that was yet again one of the best episodes of dynamite ever, real bounce back from last week's (understandable, given the storyline cleanup you gotta do when both punk and danielson are injured) confusion
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 June 2022 16:17 (two weeks ago) link
yeah i really enjoyed that. Will Ospreay has never really been my guy, either as a wrestler or a human being, but in certain respects he is absolutely amazing. certainly his matches are lots of fun.
Jay White very much is my guy and I would happily watch this douchebag wrestle against practically anyone (except Adam Cole)
a lot of my criticisms of AEW this year have revolved around Tony Khan's new toy syndrome and how the hell you end up in a place where the detestable Adam Cole, Jeff Hardy, John Morrison, Big Cass, Killian Dain, Jay Lethal, reDRagon (I like Kyle O'Reilly but it's still been too much) etc. etc., whoever, how these guys have been getting featured to a greater or lesser extent on AEW shows ahead of more talented established AEW wrestlers that already have that crowd connection. i stand by those criticisms. i think it's done more harm than good.
but i'm a total hypocrite because i don't extend those criticisms to guys like Switchblade, Ospreay (warts and all), Takeshita, Shooter (back for the PPV on the Moxley team!)
that's all really exciting to me, and the idea that a guy like idk, maybe Zack Sabre Jr. for example, might run out of things to do on NJPW shows and could be traded across to AEW for a few months in exchange for an AEW guy who is also looking to freshen up - what a great idea. can't wait for the PPV, can't wait for the freshness that talent trades could (should) be bringing to both companies.
p.s. breathe with the Switchblade
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 16 June 2022 16:41 (two weeks ago) link
John Morrison, Big Cass, Killian Dain
again you’re focusing too hard on the negatives bc to me these all elicit a big “who?”
(except for cass who i knew from wwe and who was on 1 episode of dynamite)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 June 2022 16:52 (two weeks ago) link
cass was also a sub for someone else, can’t remember who
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 June 2022 16:53 (two weeks ago) link
yes you're right, those were all more or less one-and-done guys and that's not the end of the world. the good stuff outweighs the bad by orders of magnitude. shouldn't be nitpicking when there's stuff happening like MJF vs Punk, 2022 FTR, the rise of Wardlow, Hookhausen, everything Eddie Kingston does, the Blackpool Combat Club etc. etc. still the best wrestling show ever
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 16 June 2022 18:36 (two weeks ago) link
wardlow's star power is amazing to me. he barely spoke before a few months ago
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 June 2022 19:24 (two weeks ago) link
yeah it's one of the most exhilarating things in wrestling when someone catches fire like this. you think you've got a handle on someone's ceiling and then they smash through that and just keep on going. he could be a really big deal for them. will be really interested to see where he goes from here
― Windsor Davies, Thursday, 16 June 2022 21:00 (two weeks ago) link
Ospreys-FTR bald was a clinic. Liked Ortiz’s intense head shaving too.
Only problem I’ve had with dynamite so far is the worst nickname I’ve heard in years, Inhuman Dante Martin. That guy has lost a hell of a lot of momentum. Take him away from jobber Evan Bourne and give him a couple months holiday to come up with a better gimmick. He doesn’t need to be saying “I’m good now, honestly guys” and losing to bigger names every week.
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 17 June 2022 09:57 (two weeks ago) link
“Catalyst of pro wrestling” also a wack name but I’ll let it go cos Jay White is obviously awesome
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 17 June 2022 10:09 (two weeks ago) link
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 27 June 2022 17:32 (six days ago) link
opener was probably match of the night (Eddie Kingston doesn't miss, ever) but everything about that show ruled. best bit was either the Danielson replacement or maybe all of the NJPW guys visibly revelling in how much the crowd loved them after years of clapping-only crowds in Japan
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 27 June 2022 17:35 (six days ago) link
the swerve/lee match in the buy-in was incredible
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 27 June 2022 17:38 (six days ago) link
I’ve seen the first couple matches. My favourite bit is Sting no selling the super kick party. Don’t think I can finish it until tomorrow.
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 27 June 2022 18:48 (six days ago) link
i have also only seen the buy-in and the first few matches bc i’ve been on vacation in vienna with my mom. on the bright side i’m now aware of how much my fellow ilxors suffer bc of ppv timing
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:13 (six days ago) link
i was immediately won over by the simultaneous english/japanese ring announcing though, i don’t know why but it just made this feel so special and cool
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:15 (six days ago) link
i just watched the all atlantic title match, clark connors had huge shoes to fill and he really brought it
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:30 (six days ago) link
lmao the bullet club/dudes with attitudes match. i've still got two hours left and i'm ready to call this the most delightful wrestling ppv i've ever seen
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:56 (six days ago) link
Orange Cassidy is a great fucking wrestler. Absolute classic with Osprey.
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 27 June 2022 23:17 (six days ago) link
enthusiastically seconded, what a match
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 09:24 (five days ago) link
i am so obsessed with okada
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 10:34 (five days ago) link
what a fucking ppv
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 11:32 (five days ago) link
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 11:38 (five days ago) link
yeah it was v cool seeing him in the context of a major US show. he's been around for so long and done so much now that it's hard to see him with fresh eyes but on both Dynamite and the PPV he has leapt off the screen.
who knows where they take the AEW / NJPW thing from here (they'll probably do less with it than I personally would like because neither company is going to want to trade off their major players for extended runs abroad (and it's very sad to think we might not get Danielson in the G1 or Omega having one last big NJ run as a result)) but if nothing else this show proved you could drop guys like ZSJ, Ospreay, Shingo and Okada (him most of all) into major programs in the States and have it get over huge
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:34 (five days ago) link
always got to account for the ferocious Chicago crowd but they were cheering for fucking Yoshi Hashi lol. loudest Kaze ni Nare ever, too.
if they're not prepared to send main-eventers back and forth i definitely think ZSJ is a guy who has found his ceiling in New Japan who could be a major player for AEW on a talent exchange deal. for all the talk about him and Bryan being the top two technical wrestlers of their generation, they're not actually all that similar. ZSJ is pretty unique.
Swap him for Miro for a year and let the Redeemer go and hurl himself at Cobb and Ishii and Shingo and them
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:38 (five days ago) link
What’s the Japan covid situation? I can see them making a couple big temp trades (like your Miro for zsj suggestion) and there is already talk of FD2 in Japan.
Absolutely no way it’s a 1 off when Kenny at a FD type show will sell a bazillion tickets.
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 18:22 (five days ago) link