I totally agree re: Onita, his matches were full of cool psychology leading up to the big spots.It's off-topic I suppose, but this v. famous Onita vs Hayabusa match from '95 is one of my all-time favourites, and there's never a bad time to link to it/watch it, so here you go:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycb4R_dQkWQThe exploding cage is really impressive, and everything that follows looks like a post-nuclear apocalypse. I love everything about this match.― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 30 August 2016 11:30 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinknice, not sure i've seen that one! will watch later for sure. also don't see how it qualifies as off-topic seeing as we don't have a dedicated thread for people to pimp awesome matches (something we should do more of in fact)― suicide commando, Tuesday, 30 August 2016 13:31 (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's off-topic I suppose, but this v. famous Onita vs Hayabusa match from '95 is one of my all-time favourites, and there's never a bad time to link to it/watch it, so here you go:
The exploding cage is really impressive, and everything that follows looks like a post-nuclear apocalypse. I love everything about this match.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 30 August 2016 11:30 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nice, not sure i've seen that one! will watch later for sure. also don't see how it qualifies as off-topic seeing as we don't have a dedicated thread for people to pimp awesome matches (something we should do more of in fact)
― suicide commando, Tuesday, 30 August 2016 13:31 (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is a good idea.
2. jushin thunder liger v brian pillman
― plums (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 30 August 2016 13:29 (two years ago) Permalink
ooops ignore my dumb posting abilities
just finished that Onita / Hayabusa match, Hayabusa seems bigger than i remember? but maybe he was always that big and I was just watching wrong. anyway that was a dope match. FMW was so incredible. awesome to think that at one point they were drawing full 30-40,000+ arenas to what was essentially a garbage deathmatch fed
I just spent a fair old while searching for the DiBiase/Flair/Murdoch November '85 episode of Mid-South tv (aka the greatest hour of televised pro wrestling there ever once was) on the usual sites but I couldn't dig it up; if you get the chance, watch that shit.
so failing that, my first contribution to the thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUVA5qchql0
a match that will probably be familiar to many ppl but I recall that ahoyhoy isn't big on puroresu, so check out the GREATEST MATCH OF ALL TIME (TM) and let us know what you think
― suicide commando, Tuesday, 30 August 2016 19:14 (two years ago) Permalink
When the gf goes to bed I'll give it a go.
AJPW is a massive blind spot. Its not that I dislike purp, its just such a massive genre to immerse myself in.
― plums (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 30 August 2016 19:59 (two years ago) Permalink
Ok I have tried wikipedia and I've watched the first five minutes and I'm still unsure about who is face and heel, I kinda presume Misawa is face cos he's starting to do flippy shit? What's the story?
― plums (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 30 August 2016 22:26 (two years ago) Permalink
Ok as it goes on it is obvious the Cham is face and kawada is heel. Kawada looks stiff as shit with the kicks.
― plums (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 30 August 2016 22:29 (two years ago) Permalink
There weren't any face and heel roles in AJPW, at least not like in the US. The storyline, which was typical for all the top guys, was that Kawada used to be Misawa's right hand man but now he's broken away on his own and needs to prove he's the better wrestler.
Misawa is the undisputed top guy in AJPW at the time, so you could say he's the clear face, but Kawada is the underdog fighting to prove himself and beat Misawa for the title, which is as babyface as it gets. His in ring style is more heelish than Misawa's though.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 00:22 (two years ago) Permalink
I'm sure these aren't exactly original thoughts but here goes:
These guys must have looked superhuman compared to American wrestling at the time. Spring Stampede would have just happened, and Owen-Bret at WM10 and I just cant see them comparing.
I really liked it. Of course I did. They threw some fucking bombs at each other. It seems like the template Angle started to bring and then the ROH 2004 types popularised all came from here.
Fucking finisher kick outs though maaaaan. Kawada was robbed, and there wasn't much build at the end, I guess Kawada just run out of gas which gave Misawa opportunity to pounce. Fuck me he won a trophy that was bigger than him and like five belts?* Wrong guy won imo.
Also, not a big thing but i love the suit and tie audience. So quiant.
*how do you deal with not having commentary to follow? There was a lot of headlocks and 'both wrestlers lie down selling' here and that was ok here but I think it this has been part of what has held me back.
― plums (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2016 03:44 (two years ago) Permalink
yeah the commentary thing can be a problem at times I find. if i'm not in the right mood then i really struggle to get past it. otoh when i am in the right mood it can focus my attention massively on the story being told in the ring with no distractions, which is a fun way to watch
― suicide commando, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 06:44 (two years ago) Permalink
as for Kawada not winning this one, I can't remember if that's a commonly held view or not. they certainly used to take their sweet time when it came to having their top star take a loss; the whole point about the Misawa/Kawada feud was that Kawada just could NOT beat the guy no matter what he did.
a great story for sure, but it was also what led to them and others like Kenta Kobashi throwing increasingly dangerous bombs over the course of the decade (and even inventing new super-dangerous bombs for the purpose!) which of course would eventually lead to retirements and in-ring deaths and probable brain damage and all that. it's cool tho cause it's not like anyone tries to ape this style of wrestling today...
― suicide commando, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 07:05 (two years ago) Permalink
Is there anywhere good to read about it? Wiki is too much 'this happened and then this happened' without any explanation, and im never going to pay for meltzer.
― plums (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2016 07:27 (two years ago) Permalink
there's quite a lot of blogs and stuff quite high up on google for 90s AJPW, of varying quality ofc
that one is specifically about the match, i haven't read beyond the opening para or two but it gives some background to how things started between Misawa and Kawada
― suicide commando, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 07:38 (two years ago) Permalink
this one is a pretty decent overview of the period i think
― suicide commando, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 07:41 (two years ago) Permalink
― plums (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 August 2016 07:58 (two years ago) Permalink
Japanese commentary has never been a distraction for me, and even without understanding anything (other than the names of the moves) you can following the story of the match by listening to the cadence and excitement in their voices. I think the emotion of the call, when done right, knows no language barrier.
Here is a good overview of the Misawa vs Kawada feud, right up to and including the AJPW/NOAH split:
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 09:49 (two years ago) Permalink
I think that people who call this match the best ever tend to think that Kawada should have won.
The fact that he didn't win only helped build the drama for matches like the June 1995 Misawa/Kobashi vs Taue/Kawada tag title match, which BTW is my all-time favourite match and not something that will be surpassed anytime soon, IMO.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 09:53 (two years ago) Permalink
yeaaah that's the article I was looking for earlier, really great stuff
― suicide commando, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 09:58 (two years ago) Permalink
i recently remembered reading in powerslam magazine as a teen that ajw in the mid-90s was the best wrestling ever, so i decided to check some out. if gnarly borderline-sadistic intensity is your thing, this is a must-see
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 31 August 2016 15:22 (two years ago) Permalink
That was an amazing match. I've also heard all the good stuff about 90's AJW, but have seen very little outside of some Manami Toyota matches.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 1 September 2016 21:38 (two years ago) Permalink
This thread got quiet all of a sudden. Let's fix that with one of the rowdiest Japanese crowds ever:
This is a fairly famous match (WON match of the year 1992) but is now overlooked somewhat IMO, probably because the non-Kobashi people in the match never meant much outside of a few years in the 90's. They're all good workers but not the people who usually top end of year lists.
The match is for the AJPW All-Asia tag titles, and the crowd is rabid for Kikuchi especially (the match takes place in his hometown). Did I mention that the crowd goes APESHIT for everything?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 09:39 (two years ago) Permalink
Mike Awesome vs Masato Tanaka - Heatwave '98http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x50s8r_5-star-match-mike-awesome-vs-masato_sport
I saw these two in Queens a couple of years later
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 10:34 (two years ago) Permalink
Haven't watched yet cause I cancelled my subscription but I feel like this is the thread for it regardless - apparently WWE has unearthed a thoroughly decent quality video of THE LAST BATTLE OF ATLANTA (!!!!!!!!!!!) and put it on the Network now. Cool! I will probably torrent it soon
― suicide commando, Thursday, 8 September 2016 18:07 (two years ago) Permalink