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a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 09:56 (three years ago) Permalink

from the last thread:

Which is not to say I'd prefer that scenario--I'm very interested to see what they might do with the NJPW guys. I'm just saying that if they're worried about a lack of main-event wrestlers, springing for obscure broken-down thirtysomethings AJ Styles and Shinsuke Nakamura is a weird response

If we're talking about potential headliners for Mania in five years, then yeah, but if it's just about bringing guys in to freshen up the roster (which the WWE desperately needs) then great.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 12:05 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah they aren't lacking potential WM headliners, they are severely lacking guys for them to fight in ppv main events between the big 4

a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 12:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Kane and Big Show have been in big fueds with Reigns, Wyatt, the Shield, Rollins, Cena, Bryan, Orton, Del Rio, Ziggler etc. in the past five years. They both started in the early-to-mid 90s.

a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 12:23 (three years ago) Permalink

what i really don't get is why they bothered with the bullet club tag team, nak and styles i get i guess? but anderson and gallows make it seem kinda overwhelmingly clear that this move is only to fuck w/ njpw and has nothing to do w/ making wwe stronger or something, idk.

only thing thatd make this cool imo is debut all 4 in the rumble, bullet club reforms, balor wins rumble or something, but a) they'd never do that and b) it wouldn't actually een be a good idea, 99% of fans would be like "what is happening and who is that man in makeup"

also, RIP shinsuke, your first name is going to first name heaven because you will merely be NAKAMURA now (if they even let u keep that... hope you won't be ichiro itami or whatever)

nerd shit (Will M.), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 17:59 (three years ago) Permalink

i wonder if this kind of raiding is good for the industry since it clears some of the top at NJPW and gives opportunities for other guys there to move into the title scene? i'm more concerned at the bottleneck at the WWE end where it seems like even between NXT and the main roster there are just too many athletes looking for an opportunity. you'd think that 3 hours of RAW (plus however long Smackdown and whatever happened to Main Event) would be plenty but clearly it's not.

Mordy, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 18:03 (three years ago) Permalink

i love the way that Chikara runs their tag team title scene where teams win points for victories (and lose them for losing) and once you've won 3 pts you get a title shot. that makes every tag match meaningful without having every match be a number one contender match or title match.

Mordy, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 18:05 (three years ago) Permalink

i don't see how it's good for anyone? njpw loses draws, wwe adds salary and probably misuses these guys to shit and never recoups that loss bc people don't stay tuned in for long enough to justify the raid, ppl continue to not pay attention to tna, etc. lose-lose-lose.

after watching styles-nakamura i just don't see how they're going to put nakamura on an episode of raw without neutering him to shit. there's no way he's bringing that knee with him. jesus it's brutal.

xp i need to get into chikara, the small amount i tried to watch was a little too aw shucks but i could get into it. plus chuck taylor is maybe my favourite wrestler atm (even though he's... retired? maybe?) and archibald peck seems amazing and he is apparently in a time-travel arc right now where he went forward in time to 2015 and was told he was killed in 2014 O_o

nerd shit (Will M.), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 18:10 (three years ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/JohnCena/status/684920619247337474

Mordy, Thursday, 7 January 2016 02:28 (three years ago) Permalink

shoulder surgery for cena holy shit yeah xp

qualx, Thursday, 7 January 2016 02:28 (three years ago) Permalink

at this rate nakamura's going to main event WM because he'll be the only one left

qualx, Thursday, 7 January 2016 02:29 (three years ago) Permalink

hey on the plus side maybe all these injuries will convince WWE to stop running these guys out for 4-5 high-impact matches a week HAHA JK pussy millennials and their surgeries, in my day we wrestled 8 matches a week and let me tell you those chin locks were difficult to pretend to get out of

qualx, Thursday, 7 January 2016 02:34 (three years ago) Permalink

Fuuuuuck biggest wrestlemania ever deffo gonna have a bomb threat and move to a 15000 seater cos of sgt slaughter killing cena in the name of syria and taking away yr guns and scottish golf courses leading to a main event of brock lesnar v. hornswaggle

a hoy hoy, Thursday, 7 January 2016 14:33 (three years ago) Permalink

new TEW game announced, fuckin' stoked.

Windsor Davies, Saturday, 9 January 2016 13:16 (three years ago) Permalink

Thats football manager for wrestling, right?

a hoy hoy, Saturday, 9 January 2016 14:17 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah exactly. and like FM it is intimidatingly complex at first view for anyone unfamiliar with the mechanics, but once you've got the hang of it the whole thing is like fantasy booking crack. the strength of the game lies in the massively dedicated modding community that exists around it, creating heaps of real-world mods with specific start dates.

Some of my fav saves of this previous version (TEW 2013) have included signing Shawn Michaels for WCW in 1996 and booking him as the NWO's third man, rebooking the Invasion properly with all the big name dudes, parachuting into the AWA in 1988 to try and save them from going under, bringing Vader into the WWF in 1994 and making him a major focal point of the company (complete with classic WM 11 main event vs Vader, running WCW from 1991 to try and turn them into a proper competitor for the WWF etc. etc. etc.

The best mod is always the 1983 one set immediately before WWF goes national (there's always one of these for every incarnation of the game, SUCH good fun taking over e.g. Portland and making them a national powerhouse). Also spent some time booking Bruno for the WWWF with an incredibly detailed mod that starts in 1970, which is just fucking nuts. It includes detailed biographies of all the wreatlers and companies, it's like playing through a history lesson.

Windsor Davies, Saturday, 9 January 2016 16:47 (three years ago) Permalink

* classic WM 11 main-event vs Bret Hart, that should've said.

basically i am nerding out about this. some ppl complain about how long it takes to play through these games, but tbh I can quite happily take things nice and easy booking a show or two each week. which is the same deal as FM i suppose, it can swallow your life if you let it, but it's nice to just have it on the backburner as something you think about at idle moments and play a match or two each evening

Windsor Davies, Saturday, 9 January 2016 16:51 (three years ago) Permalink

finally finished WK10. my review is SHUT THE FUCK UP MATT STRIKER

qualx, Sunday, 10 January 2016 10:21 (three years ago) Permalink

now i'm wondering what the main event picture's going to look like next year. assuming they won't do okada/tana again, who will it be? ibushi? naito, goto, shibata? kenny omega?

sike the actual answer is bryan danielson.

qualx, Sunday, 10 January 2016 10:25 (three years ago) Permalink

nakamura - styles to headline wrestlemania 32, cena - orton to headline wrestle kingdom 11.

i agree with stfu matt striker but i did enjoy the supreme awkwardness of him trying to squeeze more than a couple of words out of yoshi tatsu.

lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 10 January 2016 14:42 (three years ago) Permalink

I never considered it but Orton and Sheamus in NJPW would find an answer to how actually make those two interesting. Well as long as they still dont wrestle each other. I'd really like to see wk11 headlined by Orton v Okada

a hoy hoy, Sunday, 10 January 2016 15:26 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah there's a ton of guys in the WWE who'd be fucking magic in NJPW. Sheamus is a big one but I reckon the guy who would benefit most would be Barrett. That dude could absolutely main-event NJPW shows and put on great performances imo. Shame he's so crocked.

Windsor Davies, Sunday, 10 January 2016 15:57 (three years ago) Permalink

There are way too many vanilla foreigners in NJPW, so they stick most of them in the Bullet Club so they come across as bigger stars than they are. It would be so cool to see a real North American star tear through Japan ... has this even happened since the early 90's? Maybe Brock Lesnar as IWGP champion, but it wasn't done right, the company was terrible then.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 11 January 2016 09:54 (three years ago) Permalink

But yeah, Okada vs Orton would be amazing, during their entrances, the entire ring might collapse under the weight of their combined arrogance and they wouldn't even get to do the match.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 11 January 2016 09:56 (three years ago) Permalink

finally got round to watching the new episode of NXT, just hit the pre-match promos for the Womens' Battle Royal (I like this concept tbh, it's pleasingly similar to watching an old-school Royal Rumble) and maaaaan oh man, this girl Aaliyah / Nhooph / Nho Hope is just the worrst like why are they even letting her on tv at this stage, it is cruel and unkind and doesn't do anyone any favours at all

Windsor Davies, Saturday, 16 January 2016 17:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Alexa and Emma both have p. fucking great theme tunes imo

Windsor Davies, Saturday, 16 January 2016 17:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Eva Marie trolling the Full Sail crowd is the BEST, I won't go so far as to say that she is great, but that whole narrative that surrounds her now is GREAT

Windsor Davies, Saturday, 16 January 2016 17:46 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah after bayley got a good match out of her I've been thinking they should keep her there for a while, she feels like a part of the show now. which is such a bizarre turn of events. watch her get a huge face turn and become the top babyface of nxt

qualx, Saturday, 16 January 2016 19:25 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm sure that this isn't an original thought, but i've been watching a bunch of stuff on the Network from the first half of '93 in the last week or so, and it occurred to me while watching Bayley's promo on the latest NXT that she is basically the 2015/6 female NXT version of Bret Hart

in so far as, like Bret, she's not particularly engaging with a mic in her hand but she's just this pure good-guy/gal babyface who made the breakthrough at the bottom of a heap of already established stars (Hogan/Savage/Flair/Piper/Perfect, Paige/Charlotte/Sasha/Becky) who all vanished p. much immediately leaving Bret/Bayley to carry the show single-handed by dragging 3* matches out of whatever hunk o' junk was flavour of that particular month (early HBK/early Razor/Yokozuna, Eva Marie/Nia Jax/Carmella) by hook or by crook. and like Bret in '93, she's doing a fucking great job of it so far

Windsor Davies, Saturday, 16 January 2016 19:43 (three years ago) Permalink

this girl Aaliyah / Nhooph / Nho Hope is just the worrst like why are they even letting her on tv at this stage, it is cruel and unkind and doesn't do anyone any favours at all

In her promo segment she said something like "I'm making my NXT debut tonight, and what a way to debut than to win" (sic). So either that was the best take they got, or they're actually trying to make her come off kind of dumb. Bad news either way.

JRN, Saturday, 16 January 2016 20:02 (three years ago) Permalink

and that twirl she did

Mordy, Saturday, 16 January 2016 21:30 (three years ago) Permalink

So AJ Styles just dropped the RevPro title at York Hall tonight. Imagine if the next time we saw him it was in the Royal Rumble! But nah, I think he'll be doing the same as Nakamura and popping into the Performance Center for his physical next month.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 16 January 2016 22:12 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah after bayley got a good match out of her I've been thinking they should keep her there for a while

The match was heavily edited for TV, supposedly it was brutal live, so credit both to Bailey for making parts of it watchable as well as the people who edit NXT.

There's no point in wasting a potential difference maker like Styles in the Rumble this year, everyone other than Reigns, Lesnar and HHH (presumably) is going to come out of that match looking like the jobbiest jobbers of all time.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 17 January 2016 10:54 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah wouldnt want someone to make it exciting or do anything different. Only surprise entrances allowed are midcard fodder from the attitude era or commentators doing a *oh thats my music boy what a surprise* thing that gets less funny every year.

a hoy hoy, Sunday, 17 January 2016 11:55 (three years ago) Permalink

So AJ Styles just dropped the RevPro title at York Hall tonight. Imagine if the next time we saw him it was in the Royal Rumble! But nah, I think he'll be doing the same as Nakamura and popping into the Performance Center for his physical next month.

Did you go this? Was round the corner and had forgotten it was on til people in Regal merch started showing up in the pub

I didn't go because of January funds and lack of Nak this time out but still looked a good card

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Sunday, 17 January 2016 15:15 (three years ago) Permalink

They hold it in bethnal green right? I always think i should book up and go after work and then never actually do so

a hoy hoy, Sunday, 17 January 2016 15:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Did you go this?

Nah, London's an expensive place to visit, even if it is a short flight from Dublin and I could crash on a couch for the night. But I've been to a RevPro show before, Liger/Devitt in the summer of 2013 and it was good fun. The venue's really showing its age but it's a great place to see wrestling.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Sunday, 17 January 2016 17:16 (three years ago) Permalink

coming up nxt week

http://rumblemetrics.blogspot.co.uk/

a hoy hoy, Sunday, 17 January 2016 21:33 (three years ago) Permalink

There is a dumb sketch backstage with Noble and Mercury talking about an app of some kind JESUS CHRIST SETH ROLLINS JUST THREW AN iPAD that is the most decadent thing I have ever seen.

a hoy hoy, Sunday, 17 January 2016 21:34 (three years ago) Permalink

haha i've found myself wishing on a number of occasions that this guy would write more, but then i suppose the fact that he doesn't write reviews on every wrestling show he's ever seen is kinda key to the appeal?

i remember reading somewhere (possibly somewhere that was linked here? i don't remember) that half of all wrestling writers are autistic number-obsessives and the other half are perpetually outraged man-children, or words to that effect, and it's basically otm. I mean are there any wrestling writers who are worth reading besides Meltzer? Meltzer, for all his faults (and they are legion) is at least uniquely equipped to provide insight into the major stories of the moment.

i quite like Brandon Stroud as it goes, and I enjoyed quite a lot of the Masked Man's book but on columns and podcasts he's just unbearably smug and uninteresting.

it sucks because i've read a ton of really interesting and informative books by e.g. Tim Hornbaker, but there's a massive gap in the market for interesting and insightful wrestling commentary on the net. which, like, "duh, no fucking kidding, why the hell would that be a surprise?" i suppose but even so, it seems a shame

maybe this is something that will change in the near-ish future? the demographics into the old pro-rass do seem to be shifting quite a lot at the moment.

Windsor Davies, Monday, 18 January 2016 01:07 (three years ago) Permalink

*the demographics of people that are into the....

that should've said. lol complaining about the quality of other people's writing

Windsor Davies, Monday, 18 January 2016 01:09 (three years ago) Permalink

I mean are there any wrestling writers who are worth reading besides Meltzer?

If you count him as a wrestling writer, Hyatte's mop-ups were hilarious and made watching Raw or Nitro pretty much unnecessary for a good while.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Monday, 18 January 2016 07:52 (three years ago) Permalink

Also, for good commentary, I don't know, I like the Shake Them Ropes podcast but that could only be because they feel the same way as I do about wrestling (WWE) a lot of the time.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Monday, 18 January 2016 07:54 (three years ago) Permalink

I enjoyed quite a lot of the Masked Man's book but on columns and podcasts he's just unbearably smug and uninteresting

So true, I have never understood why people like him so much.

Stroud is really entertaining despite his many strange quirks and biases.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 18 January 2016 09:55 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't mind Shoemaker (the Masked Man) myself, I listen to his podcast Cheap Heat but I don't go there for deep analysis or anything, it's just three mates shooting the breeze.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Monday, 18 January 2016 15:30 (three years ago) Permalink

tbf i don't want deep analysis of wrestling at all, that's not exactly what i was getting at (realise that my own poor choice of words may have let me down here, "insightful" probably wasn't a helpful adjective). if i wanted "analysis" of wrestling i'd be more inclined to start posting on one of the more serious pro-wres forums where they get quite into dissecting matches step-by-step and drawing up interminable lists and so on.

Shoemaker is fine when he's getting enthusiastic about some old Texas territories shit that he remembers from back in the day, just as Rosenberg is more bearable when he's talking about re-watching old episodes of Tuesday Night Titans and Prime Time Wrestling on the Network. But when it comes to their take on the current product I find that you can listen to 30 minutes of them recapping Raw or w/e without them saying anything remotely interesting or entertaining the entire time. It's just... nothing. Half an hour of Masked Man saying over and over again "I thought it was fine" and Rosenberg saying "I thought it was repug". Great. Especially as they both seem utterly convinced that they are the authorities on the subject. Blech.

I quite like Sam Roberts' podcast I suppose, he at least gets interesting dudes on in his interviews.

Windsor Davies, Monday, 18 January 2016 16:10 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't disagree, it's a matter of taste with Cheap Heat I think - you either don't mind them not really having a point about what's currently going down despite their self-professed Authority, or it annoys the shit out of you. At the same time, I'm not one for the Meltzer-style deep analysis, either - I dig good work in the ring, but for me entertainment trumps 'workrate' every time. There's room for a middle ground, and I think Rob and Jeff on Shake Them Ropes cover that pretty well, they balance insight with a good-humoured approach to a subject some people take way too seriously for my liking. (Admittedly I didn't like their show the first time I heard it, took a couple of gos to sink in but I've got a decent commute so I can do a whole episode from A to B.)

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Monday, 18 January 2016 20:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I agree completely, I'm absolutely not a workrate hound and I kinda don't get people who are. As you say, a technically great match in the service of entertainment is dandy, but not for its own sake. And bad wrestling isn't always (or even usually) a bad thing. The wrestlecrap is often most of the fun!

Meltzer's really good for his profiles and obituaries and for his general comments on the industry. I don't really get why people would sit down and trawl through his match reports though. The omnipresence of his star-ratings system across the net is also really pernicious and has kinda accidentally cut-off lots of potential alternative ways of looking at wrestling - "Yeah this was good but I'm gonna take off a quarter star for the blown tope" *farts*

Windsor Davies, Monday, 18 January 2016 21:16 (three years ago) Permalink

Got a night to myself and ive so far watched the threeway from the rumble, ultima lucha 1 and now brock v roman from wm31.

Fuck me last yeat had the best matches. Ive not even done sasha banks or wk9 or whatever yet either.

Brock Lesnar really is the greatest pro wrestler ever. I could watch him slap Reigns a million times.

I think the rumble triple threat is in my top 3 matches ever though with punk-cena at mitb11 and idk austin-bret or something

a hoy hoy, Monday, 18 January 2016 22:00 (three years ago) Permalink

Brock Lesnar vs Jumbo Tsuruta all-time #1 dream match

Windsor Davies, Monday, 18 January 2016 22:11 (three years ago) Permalink

The tag title match was indeed great and perfectly booked with callbacks to their previous match in all the right places, and a really memorable finish. I'll have to rewatch Mickie vs Asuka because I was a bit out of it following the Tag Title match, but Mickie was great and the finish came out of nowhere and left enough room for a rematch. Roode vs Dillinger accomplished everything it needed to, and the main event was two hosses throwing down and again leaving room for a rematch to settle things once and for all. The Brooklyn match was more technical and focused on Joe working Nakamura's leg, but as part one of a trilogy it makes sense. The second match in the series was more personal and needed to come across more like a fight, and it did.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 20 November 2016 11:39 (two years ago) Permalink

fucking hell, didn't see that coming

plums (a hoy hoy), Monday, 21 November 2016 03:25 (two years ago) Permalink

i guess wm33 has one match wrapped up

plums (a hoy hoy), Monday, 21 November 2016 03:26 (two years ago) Permalink

I tuned in live only for the main event (no time for a four hour show the night after Takeover, I'll watch the rest of the card another time). Goldberg was cheered -- in Toronto! I guess this is leading to Brock screwing Goldberg in the Rumble and getting a WM rematch, although if Brock wins the rematch I'm not sure what the point of any of this was.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 21 November 2016 08:44 (two years ago) Permalink

The initial emotion of 'WTF?' quickly turned into embarrassment at what this company will stoop to for a 'moment'. First SummerSlam, now Survivor Series: the contrast between NXT and the WWE main roster grows starker. And some of you want Shinsuke brought up, ha!

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Monday, 21 November 2016 09:29 (two years ago) Permalink

I think that's a stretch -- sure, it was a "moment", but it still made sense as a wrestling storyline, where Goldberg makes the heroic comeback to the ring and crushes the overconfident dick heel.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 21 November 2016 10:05 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh I get that, but it also tells the story of 'even older part-timer comes into destroy part-timer who's spent the last couple of years treating WWE's top full-time talent like ragdolls'.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Monday, 21 November 2016 10:50 (two years ago) Permalink

Part timers and attitude era guys have been the *real* stars of WWE for such a long time, I guess I've gotten used to it.

I think Brock's value (as in the rub to be had from beating him or at least hanging with him) has been declining for well over a year though. Getting eliminated from the Rumble like just another guy by the Wyatts (in a feud that was forgotten about the next month) really crushed his mystique IMO.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 21 November 2016 11:30 (two years ago) Permalink

The other thing that gets to me about the ending is this: MMA-style upsets do not work in wrestling. It's the same instinctual reaction I had to Brock and Orton at SummerSlam; it just doesn't fly with me. I watch MMA for MMA and wrestling for wrestling; the crossed influence is undeniable, but you can't lift wholesale from one and expect it to work in the other. Because it doesn't.

That being said, context is also key. If this exact same match, as booked, went down back in the day, like in 2002, when Brock was at his original peak and Goldberg was only out of the limelight for a year or so? I think I would have loved it. It's not really the match itself, but what it represents.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Monday, 21 November 2016 11:52 (two years ago) Permalink

Anyway, enough moaning from me. TakeOver was great. And how about that Miz/Zayn match, eh?

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Monday, 21 November 2016 11:54 (two years ago) Permalink

Enhhhh if Nakamura was on smackdown he'd probably have had more good PPV matches than he's had in NXT by now, notwithstanding everyone in WWE creative getting lead poisoning in the last three months of every year

Think the thing that would most improve WWE booking at this point would be if all bookmakers stopped taking bets on the outcome of pro wrestling matches

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 21 November 2016 15:16 (two years ago) Permalink

i was at takeover toronto! took a train from mtl, drank in a park, saw the show, took a train to hmailton (!) to stay with a friend, turned around next morning and did the whole trip backwards... great fun but i am NEVER doing 12 hours of trains in ~30 hours again unless there's a death in the family or something.

then i got home and started watching survivor series and i was exhausted. by the time the goldberg/brock match started i was like "i am so tired. i am going to bed" but decided to like watch the first couple of minutes of the match? so in a sense i liked the end bc i didn't care abt it and wanted to go to bed

jingo unchained (Will M.), Monday, 21 November 2016 15:43 (two years ago) Permalink

as someone very close to abandoning wwe altogether i thought lesnar/goldberg was hilarious and perfect

qualx, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 00:27 (two years ago) Permalink

205 Live was alright. The talent is obviously there but it's lacking in story and promos, which is presumably the whole point of the exercise, to get these guys over so they stop sinking on Raw? It played a bit too much like a series of exhibition matches, but first week and all that. I'm pleased for Rich Swann though I wish there'd been more build, even *some* build to it. I fear they're gonna play hot potato with the belt till they find something that sticks.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Thursday, 1 December 2016 13:27 (two years ago) Permalink

Proof that Jack Gallagher is the man tho, that crowd was oohing and ahhing the whole gosh darn time.

he was definitely in "exhibition mode" but we learned from the CWC that he can bring some serious fire when he needs to, i have high hopes for that little man

mint challop (Will M.), Thursday, 1 December 2016 15:37 (two years ago) Permalink

my friend also said that "it's fun to watch jack gallagher and imagine he's sheamus's inner child" which made me lol

mint challop (Will M.), Thursday, 1 December 2016 15:38 (two years ago) Permalink

ooooh nvm he got that from br4nd0n str0ud

mint challop (Will M.), Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:05 (two years ago) Permalink

Absolutely, Gallagher is great as I'm sure I've said here before. I really hope he and the others get something to really sink their teeth into.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Friday, 2 December 2016 07:18 (two years ago) Permalink

I caught the main event of TLC, it was a balls-out insane match and maybe the best TLC singles match I've seen. It really felt like they were trying to destroy each other through innovative use of the weapons, rather than moving from spot to spot like in 90% of these kinds of matches.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 5 December 2016 21:24 (two years ago) Permalink

I felt it wasn't a great ladder match, but a great match with ladders, if you get my drift. Plus AJ cemented his status as WWE's main event MVP this year. And I liked the whole show overall, especially after the first two matches.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 08:39 (two years ago) Permalink

There was a ppv this week? Wasn't there two last week? And the launch of a new TV show? How the fuck does any follow?

plums (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 09:11 (two years ago) Permalink

there's another one on the 18th
http://www.smarkoutmoment.com/p/wwe-ppv-schedule-list.html

maura, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 16:14 (two years ago) Permalink

Yep and then none for six weeks till the Rumble weekend. Which is for the best, all things considered.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 20:41 (two years ago) Permalink

WWE just signed Kimber Lee aka Princess KimberLee aka Chikara Grand Champion and afaik the first woman to ever hold the top title in a non exclusively female promotion.

Mordy, Friday, 9 December 2016 01:20 (two years ago) Permalink

and heidi lovelace and evie! two fucking finallys

nixon newell too, before she had a chance to become one

it feels like they haven't really been signing women from the indies so this just makes it even weirder that candice hasn't gotten in

qualx, Friday, 9 December 2016 03:35 (two years ago) Permalink

whoa like SIGNED signed? not just for the global womens tournament?

why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Friday, 9 December 2016 15:30 (two years ago) Permalink

I still haven't seen proper confirmation of this, just retweets from the same fan site. But if it's true, it's great news! They sorely need new talent that can go with Asuka, 'cause the Performance Center build-em-up scrubs are a long way from cutting it.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Friday, 9 December 2016 20:01 (two years ago) Permalink

tbf by the time we see them in nxt, asuka will surely be gone... but it'll be talent that can go with ember, and an ember/evie/kimber/heidi + nixon four (five) horsewomen 2.0 is going to be innnnnnnsaaaaaaneeee

why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Friday, 9 December 2016 20:42 (two years ago) Permalink

super excited that they're building nikki cross as this psycho tho and FINALLY had her eye that title... i would not mind seeing her take the strap off asuka (with sanity-related shenanigans no doubt)

why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Friday, 9 December 2016 20:43 (two years ago) Permalink

tbf by the time we see them in nxt, asuka will surely be gone...

I dunno about that part. It's bad enough she had no one left to wrestle in NXT right now, you really think the main roster women, aside from the main eventers, are ready to tangle with someone like her? She would not be booked the same way. First things first she needs competition more on her level in NXT so she can lose but still look strong - it's unfortunate that they never gave Bayley a win over her. I think a strong programme with Nikki Cross or Ember Moon would help.

More importantly, you really think Kevin Dunn etc want someone like her on their TV?

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 10 December 2016 09:10 (two years ago) Permalink

Well she's not fat so he might have no problem*. However she may see herself as a professional who won't get in a hot tub with him, so swings and roundabouts.

*on the other hand, Steen is champ so maybe he is losing his influence.

plums (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 10 December 2016 13:32 (two years ago) Permalink

oh shit new member of bullet club <3 <3 <3 https://twitter.com/njpwworld/status/807517526200438785

Mordy, Saturday, 10 December 2016 14:16 (two years ago) Permalink

DASHING PRINCE OF DARK MATTER

this is gonna be gold

plums (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 10 December 2016 14:26 (two years ago) Permalink

Also does he briefly wear the mask he wore when rey rey "disfigured" him? That was my fav Cody.

One thing that was wrong with the guy is none of his wrestling was done with any intensity. I can see njpw bookers sorting that out p quickly.

plums (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 10 December 2016 14:31 (two years ago) Permalink

kenny omega's tweet a few days ago implied that it might be ryback. thank god it isn't

why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Sunday, 11 December 2016 06:49 (two years ago) Permalink

WK11 card is looking insane. Eleven matches, all with the potential to be good or great (even the rumble match is entertaining in its own way). It's too bad that Ishii and YOSHI HASHI are relegated to the trios match, and I don't understand why Goto and Shibata have to fight yet again (why couldn't the Nakajima vs Shibata blowoff happen?), but otherwise I have no complaints, the show will be awesome.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 10:32 (two years ago) Permalink

straight up what is the point of a division, and now a whole weekly tv show, where cruiserweights are mandated to wrestle like non-cruiserweights and aren't given the resources anyone else is on the main roster to get their characters and feuds over

i appreciate the little bitty strands of storyline they're starting to pepper in but... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

qualx, Thursday, 15 December 2016 05:53 (two years ago) Permalink

this show would've been a good opportunity to introduce win-loss records. it's playing like the CWC without any stakes, organization, or any real reason to watch the matches themselves

jack gallagher's lucky they don't care about how many wacky submission moves an individual wrestler does, but even he's starting to do the same things every match

love that headbutt though

qualx, Thursday, 15 December 2016 05:56 (two years ago) Permalink

It's been reported that Kevin Dunn and Vince McMahon are in charge of 205 Live, not HHH or anyone else involved with the CWC, which pretty much answers all of your questions.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 15 December 2016 09:31 (two years ago) Permalink

not surprising!

i'm staying away from this UK stuff

qualx, Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:06 (two years ago) Permalink

since when is orton in the wyatt family?

also why is orton in the wyatt family?

Mordy, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 02:06 (two years ago) Permalink

About one month. I don't think the "why" was ever answered -- he was feuding with the Wyatts, then he joined them and people assumed it was a ruse just to screw with them, but now it looks like he's with them for real.

I guess it makes sense for Orton because he's already done everything there is to do in WWE, and he's said in interviews that he feels revitalized by this new direction for his character.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 22 December 2016 08:44 (two years ago) Permalink

Poor luke harper. That guy deserves to be main event.

Any early suggestions for 2017 thread name? January should be great with wk11 and the rumble.

plums (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 22 December 2016 10:41 (two years ago) Permalink

- more belts than main-eventers
- hide your kids, hide your wife, because WWE is filling its cruiserweight and womens tournaments
- how to make nobody care about a shield reunion
- official ILX petition to get DUSTIN a WWE contract
- braun, nia, brock, GM mick foley and various other monsters
- kevin & chris's bogus journey

why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Thursday, 22 December 2016 23:42 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm glad that jericho clearly reads this thread and realized his character needed a new direction

qualx, Friday, 23 December 2016 00:05 (two years ago) Permalink

spare thoughts:

-i enjoy reading lance storm's thing about the charlotte/sasha match that i didn't actually watch, which is a condemnation of wrestling fans but really a condemnation of bad wrestling announcing, but also pretty good as a condemnation of wrestling fans. it's pretty lol that he's literally like "uh read a BOOK you nerds" but it illustrates, in general, the problem a lot of us have, where we're too stuck in the meta vince mcmahon has nurtured, we demand storytelling but look at everything through the lens of the things we're not supposed to think about -- how strong a wrestler is made to look in the present moment, especially. ofc it's also WWE's fault for being so shitty right now, and possibly always, that they can't tell a story 99% of the time so the other 1% doesn't stand a chance, and they're so focused on training fans to think a certain way that eventually you get trained to react a certain way. but if they ever actually did turn a leaf and give us a decent story to follow, would we allow it? should 'storytelling' even be a priority?

-next week's smackdown is basically a PPV on television simply because there's literally 2 months between actual SD PPVs. which is annoying imo, but everyone on reddit and wherever is treating it like a great thing. i like the idea of 2 month PPV builds. i wish the brands alternated every month and never shared a month. the hope is that you don't have a weekly TV show that's just all build all the time, or awkward holding patterns when they get one of those weird 6-week breaks. actually spend those 2 months putting on a good show with important matches that eventually lead to a PPV. i think a lot about how the first season of LU was amazing for like 32 episodes, and then ultima lucha was announced and the 5 or 6 episodes between took a nosedive because it was all build. and that was just one PPV.

-i have to catch up on NJPW from dominion on in the next 2 weeks. it took me like 2 months to get through the 2 BOSJ matches i consider "enough" to say i've officially gotten through BOSJ (the final and ospreay/ricochet). i don't think i can watch these tournaments unless they're happening in real time. i also don't think i should have a njpwworld subscription anymore.

qualx, Friday, 23 December 2016 04:00 (two years ago) Permalink

I liked the finish of the Charlotte/Sasha match. The first 20 minutes were 'uh oh they're doing Bret/Shawn at WM12' but it really kicked into gear in the last third, making the overtime actually worth something.

My only issue with the booking of their feud, is that it would be totally fine to cycle Sasha out and slot in a new challenger for Charlotte, if they gave a toss about booking undercard feuds. I don't think it's an unfounded fear to believe that Sasha will spend the next few months swimming around in the doldrums with the other women who aren't getting title matches, since title matches are the only ones creative seem bothered doing anything creative with. At least on Raw at any rate; SmackDown! actually has a mid-card.

i like the idea of 2 month PPV builds

I LOVE the idea. But those days are long gone, man. The best we can hope for is NXT doing better lead-ups to their TakeOver specials; the last couple have been fun in the end but the builds weren't what they could've been.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 24 December 2016 16:02 (two years ago) Permalink

have p. much 100% checked out of wrestling for now. whole thing just feels like a colossal and unconscionable waste of time. enjoy checking in on whatever Miz and Styles are doing on SD very occasionally. has James Ellsworth won the world title yet? everything about Raw is just terrible. every single fucking part of it.

the Lesnar / Goldberg match was the kinda thing I would've got worked up about once upon a time and is symptomatic of many of the problems with the way they run things today, but I lolled when i read the report. i don't think that's a good thing necessarily, when formerly devoted fans start feeling that way.

i'll check back in for the Rumble and Mania I'm sure, but short of something truly magical happening (hasn't there been talk of Styles getting a match against Taker / a returning HBK(?!)?) i think i'm out for the foreseeable. had enough of their bullshit

Windsor Davies, Saturday, 24 December 2016 17:16 (two years ago) Permalink

Rolling Chris and Kevin's Bogus Journey 2017

plums (a hoy hoy), Monday, 2 January 2017 20:34 (two years ago) Permalink

Bug in that link: I had to add the 'www.' to make it work for me.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 09:07 (two years ago) Permalink


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