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women's pants=sexist

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

you have no idea!

daria, actually (daria-g), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

says the lady lawyer!

we make rub' dongs from 4" to 6" (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

problems with women's pants:

Men's pants are sized consistently based on measurements, whereas women's pants (like most women's clothing) are sized almost arbitrarily. This implies that women should be spending more time shopping for clothes, as well as introducing feelings of insecurity and inadequacy. Insecurity -- when a particular pair of pants in the size she usually wears does not fit, the woman is made to question whether she has gained weight, or whether her dimensions and shape are out of fashion. Inadequacy -- compared to men's pants - which are designated by quantitative measurements, women's pants, are sized with an arbitrary number with the smallest, and culturally most desirable, being a "0" -- null, invoking the psychology of eating disorders which are often based on the desire to reduce oneself to nothing.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

my favorite thread already

BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

say something about how men's clothes are sized as small, medium and large

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

Most fashionable women's pants are not designed with the same utility/function as men's. Women's pants tend to have fewer and smaller pockets, inconvenient to types of work outside of a domestic or office environment.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

men's condoms are large and medium iirc

cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

what the hell is wrong with you?

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

say something about how men's clothes are sized as small, medium and large

― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, August 10, 2009 11:32 PM (1 minute ago)

^some bullshit, only reinforces stereotype that "size matters"

we make rub' dongs from 4" to 6" (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

referring to penis size btw

we make rub' dongs from 4" to 6" (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

oh hell lou

we make rub' dongs from 4" to 6" (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

men's condoms are large and medium iirc

― cockles (country matters), Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:35 AM (1 minute ago)

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BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

The dearth of pockets encourages reliance on the purse/handbag, Because it is discrete from the woman's body, the purse/handbag reinforces the cultural norm that women should rely on others for security when outside the home. Were the woman to be employed in manual labor, and forced to carry a purse/handbag because of the lack of functional pockets, she would need to constantly watch that her purse/handbag is not stolen, or employ some other means or person to prevent this theft.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

One could view the purse/handbag symbolizing a child, and that to design pants with enough functional pockets, would go against the societal demand that a woman needs to be caring for a child in order to be a "real woman."

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

anything else people want me to semiotically analyze?

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

pockets also make it look like you weigh more, so if trousers come with pockets some people will go to the tailor and have them cut out.

daria, actually (daria-g), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

i would use a purse/handbag if society would allow me to.

wishes to be referred under the pseudonym of kronos (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

sarahel, i was hoping you would discuss cost and quality of women's vs men's pants.

estela, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

anything else people want me to semiotically analyze?

givenchy heels

daria, actually (daria-g), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

The dearth of pockets encourages reliance on the purse/handbag, Because it is discrete from the woman's body, the purse/handbag reinforces the cultural norm that women should rely on others for security when outside the home.

I have started wearing girlpants this month and had this thought yesterday like verbatim btw

BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

it depends on where the pockets are located ... side pockets a la cargo-type pants don't really do this. The worst offender in women's pants that make you look fat are front pleats.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah but everybody knows that, I hope! Pleats do not do ANYBODY any favors regardless of gender.

ENBB, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

I would like to hear more about the social ensnarement of women via accoutrements. Are there many other examples you can think of?

cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

i thought you were banned from this thread!

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

xp I used to have a job doing audio visual work at hotels, where I had to wear pants that looked professional (as opposed to dickies or carharts), and I would be almost to the point of tears when shopping for functional pants. Besides pockets, I needed pants with belt loops so I could wear a belt and clip on the walkie talkie.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

Pleats do not do ANYBODY any favors regardless of gender.

except for really skinny guys.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

idk - I think they're awful on just about everyone. I honestly can't ever recall seeing anyone in pleated pants (the traditional type, mind) and thinking it was a good look.

ENBB, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

omg @ mea culpa

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 03:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

This all sounds like an interesting school of thought. How will it fare when applied to the advertising of women's clothing?

cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

the social ensnarement of women via accoutrements.

Around the time of the sexual revolution/2nd wave feminism in the 60s/70s/80s the image of the superwoman was popularized. She was not only supposed to be as effective a worker as her male counterpart, but also highly capable as a wife, mother, and aesthetic subject. Nowhere is this seen more than in the products women are supposed to keep on their person, presumably in their purse or handbag. Failure to have these products, which include beauty aids as well as organizational/work tools, signifies a failure to fulfill the exhaustingly large list of requirements to be successful.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

can you quote some relevant guy debord now plz ;)

cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

not from memory ... the books are all in the other room.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

aw

Can you now analyse the 'soccer/hockey mom' phenomenon?

cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

after I have dinner ... someone else do some semiotic analysis while I'm gone, please?

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

uh, websites give you the illusion of choice but really they restrict the "free association" they imply through click-through designation and rationalise your thought process for you. Most web design is about a surfeit of choice which suggests unlimited options on each page but in reality the progression of one page to the next within a website is quite linear. This prolly has to do with newspeak and the mechanisation of our thought processes or something u kno?

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

adverts know you know how they're selling the product, and they expect you to be complicit in a narrative where the advert does not stand alone but exists in relation to other adverts; now no longer directly selling its product, the advert strives to be 'the one where x happens' as compared to other adverts for similar items, and depends on them to remain memorable. once the narrative has been digested, the buyer must merely pick a 'favourite bit' like from a movie or a sitcom. this is why to an occasional television watcher like myself, adverts seem increasingly superficial, jarring, and flashy. it is because their visual and conceptual span is not complete; it is a discrete fragment of a hypnotic and ritual whole

cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

Does it depend on the jean? There are many different classes of demin. There are lower end demin, such as you find at Aamerican Eagle, Levi's Forever 21, Gap, and J Crew. Then there's 7's, Ernst Sewn, Jean Shop, Paper. Then there's Marc Jacobs, Gucci, etc... Does this affect the sexist implications found in the design of the jean?

Jacob Sanders, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah, sexism crosses class boundaries

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

So designer jeans don't allow for more freedom?

Jacob Sanders, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

no, they only allow for the the freedom of men to oppress women into carrying babies in their purses (which might get stolen)

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

Jeans are a different issue - they are not "professional" attire

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

jeez, girl
more like insomniotics

velko, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

can you quote some relevant guy debord now plz ;)

62 False choice in spectacular abundance, a choice which lies in the juxtaposition of competing and complimentary spectacles and also in the juxtaposition of roles (signified and carried mainly by things) which are at once exclusive and overlapping, develops into a struggle of vaporous qualities meant to stimulate loyalty to quantitative triviality. This resurrects false archaic oppositions, regionalisms and racism which serve to raise the vulgar hierarchic ranks of consumption to a preposterous ontological superiority. In this way, the endless series trivial confrontations is set up again, from competitive sports to elections ...

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

Women's pants (sexist or not) are horrible anyway. IMO they just don't look good... but that's just me I guess.

Y tú, y tú, dime lo que bailas! (daavid), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

O_O this is turning into the thread where people had to translate song titles into academese, while other posters had to guess the title of song in question... but without the "songs" part.

Y tú, y tú, dime lo que bailas! (daavid), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 10:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

Dear celebrity, spectacular representation of a living human being, can I get your sister's email why because she look intersting

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 10:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

i <3 this shit tbh

permanent response lopp (harbl), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 11:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

I will address the semiotics of soccer moms after I get some sleep.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 11:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

semiotics isn't fortune telling, but it could address the fact your mom named you after a dog. Does she treat you a like pet? Does she give you treats in order to gain your love? Does/did she have trouble "letting go" when you became an adult?

sarahell, Friday, 7 November 2014 23:33 (four years ago) Permalink

did she have you fixed?

Stim McRaw (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 November 2014 23:38 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.neuticles.com/images/ballcap.jpg

???

sarahell, Friday, 7 November 2014 23:43 (four years ago) Permalink

this is too personal. i am going to consult a woman with a tarot card tattoo i see sitting on the other side of the reading room. thank you for your time.

Treeship, Friday, 7 November 2014 23:54 (four years ago) Permalink

trís it seems like you need a psychoanalyst, perhaps a lacanian one

the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Friday, 7 November 2014 23:58 (four years ago) Permalink

i have a fb friend who is a lacanian psychoanalyst!

sarahell, Saturday, 8 November 2014 00:03 (four years ago) Permalink

treesit

estela, Saturday, 8 November 2014 00:12 (four years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

http://i.imgur.com/LuhdvyW.jpg

any thoughts on these three?

نكبة (nakhchivan), Saturday, 29 November 2014 02:07 (four years ago) Permalink

is the one in his lap real? it looks like a toy?

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Saturday, 29 November 2014 02:11 (four years ago) Permalink

log is like a phallic crocodile totem

imago, Saturday, 29 November 2014 02:11 (four years ago) Permalink

it is his superego. the small one is his ego, the alsatian his id

imago, Saturday, 29 November 2014 02:12 (four years ago) Permalink

the small dog is real

نكبة (nakhchivan), Saturday, 29 November 2014 02:15 (four years ago) Permalink

lol

imago, Saturday, 29 November 2014 02:16 (four years ago) Permalink

http://i.imgur.com/VSxOsMl.jpg

نكبة (nakhchivan), Saturday, 29 November 2014 02:23 (four years ago) Permalink

it really looks like a stuffed toy

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Saturday, 29 November 2014 02:25 (four years ago) Permalink

it looks meek and apprehensive.

estela, Saturday, 29 November 2014 03:08 (four years ago) Permalink

little doesn't know what is going on yet but is thinking, i will be first against the wall.

estela, Saturday, 29 November 2014 03:18 (four years ago) Permalink

you are all focussing on what turns out to be the least important of the three participants in the story they belong to

نكبة (nakhchivan), Saturday, 29 November 2014 03:22 (four years ago) Permalink

that one definitely refers to classical representations of the holy mother and child, with the cat standing in for Jesus and the large stuffed rabbit for the Virgin Mary.

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Saturday, 29 November 2014 22:22 (four years ago) Permalink

specifically paintings of the Adoration of the Magi -- except in this photograph, there is a flatness, the man (magi) is right next to the Virgin Mary (the rabbit) and the baby Jesus (the cat), as opposed to at an angle from the mother & child. This is definitely redolent of the post-modern age of this image -- we no longer need to concern ourselves with the issues of perspective that the Renaissance painters did.

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Saturday, 29 November 2014 22:32 (four years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

http://i.imgur.com/tCwqS6g.jpg

The-shape-things-come-dog-grooming-Pets-fur-trimmed-make-heads-square-circular-bizarre-new-trend-Taiwan.html

nakhchivan, Friday, 24 April 2015 15:56 (three years ago) Permalink

Many are now opting for the cuts simply to get more likes and shares on social media sites.

drash, Friday, 24 April 2015 20:19 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.radioactiva.cl/files/2014/07/hair_man-387096.jpg
http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1545023/meet-square-head-bro-taiwanese-man-blockhead-hairstyle

Wu, whose hair casts a 90 degrees right angle silhouette, told local reporters that he was still single and had difficulty attracting women, despite having a decent job that afforded him a salary of 70,000 Taiwan dollars a month (HK$18,000).

After being rejected by a girl, the dramatic hairstyle was adopted in an effort to “look more like a young guy in his 20s or 30s”, Wu said.

drash, Friday, 24 April 2015 20:25 (three years ago) Permalink

i think this is about toast:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k5_uSmxzH5w/TaETz8nYXFI/AAAAAAAACFY/TMtkOOQ_bOY/s1600/Picture%2B1.png

Philip Nunez, Friday, 24 April 2015 22:28 (three years ago) Permalink

The harsh, angular edges of square objects… suggest masculine temper while the round shape of a circle implies the gentleness of a woman.

The Circle, bluntly, in Circle in the Square represents the female, the rounded shape or 'hole' of her reproductive organs, while the Square means the line of the penis. The Circle is within the Square, that is symbolically and effectively ruled by the male, even where metaphysically (for instance in the medieval cosmogony where the encircling ether or sky is female, while the encircled fountain represented by the Hebrew letter yod is male), or materially (during coitus, or while pregnant) she seems to surround and contain the male; for her purpose for being is in nourishing and setting off the glory and power, and to serve, and ultimately, "when she is good", to become the crown of, the male organ or as Wolfson explains, the woman's highest pride would be to inhabit the very corona of the circumcised penis!

drash, Saturday, 25 April 2015 00:11 (three years ago) Permalink

also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_formal_garden

http://img1.imagesbn.com/p/9780486600680_p0_v2_s260x420.JPG

but mostly, poor doggy [ :( ]

drash, Saturday, 25 April 2015 00:55 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

hahahah i find clowns disturbing!

let he who has not approved of the ronaldinho bottle opener cast the (sarahell), Friday, 12 June 2015 21:18 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

What are people's thoughts on concrete poetry? I ask because I used to read a lot of that kind of stuff, and I'm now reading Perloff's 'unoriginal genius' and I noticed she views it differently from me. She sees I as a somewhat conservative trend which equates the signified and the sign. I always felt that it was contrasting the signal and the sign, exposing contradictions and opening up new ways to experience characters and text separated from their normal usage.

I know, of course, that concrete poetry isn't enormously popular, I just figured that the typographical possibilities of the internet would bear it's legacy somewhat. Does anyone have any thought, knowledge etc to bear?

two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Tuesday, 30 August 2016 11:47 (two years ago) Permalink

I always felt that gomringer's silencio https://i2.wp.com/media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lat7dvHeL31qzkabq.gif is contrasting the for of the word 'silence' with what it signifies, for example

two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Tuesday, 30 August 2016 11:52 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

linked to by a friend on fb:
http://www.racked.com/2016/9/19/12865560/politics-of-pockets-suffragettes-women

sarahell, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 19:13 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

special request 4 semiotic breakdown of veronica, betty and cheryl blossom particularly vis-a-vis cheryl blossom's interruption/addition to riverdale continuity

Mordy, Thursday, 15 December 2016 01:44 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

When I think about people “doing semiotics at Brown” I still get a tingle down my spine

— Naomi Fry (@frynaomifry) June 22, 2018

mookieproof, Friday, 22 June 2018 20:07 (five months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

What does a Sarahel think of ‘The Uprising’ by Berardi? Reading it in the pub atm.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 12:49 (one week ago) Permalink

haven't read it. but I do recommend David Graeber's The Utopia of Rules

sarahell, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 19:30 (one week ago) Permalink

I’ll check it out! I’ve read Debt and Direct Action - I think I tended to enjoy the anecdotes and ephemera within them more than the overall project, but I did enjoy them.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 30 November 2018 11:31 (one week ago) Permalink

the anecdotes are good -- I feel like that's where he excels as a writer in this vein

sarahell, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:39 (one week ago) Permalink

22nd Street tiger painting is gone

that's it, Mission is over

Milton Parker, Friday, 30 November 2018 23:15 (one week ago) Permalink

HOW DARE THEY!!!!!!!!!!

sarahell, Friday, 30 November 2018 23:30 (one week ago) Permalink

Also this is the perfect thread for that info.

sarahell, Friday, 30 November 2018 23:35 (one week ago) Permalink

special request 4 semiotic breakdown of veronica, betty and cheryl blossom particularly vis-a-vis cheryl blossom's interruption/addition to riverdale continuity

― Mordy, Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:44 PM (one year ago

In the TV show? I watched it only a few months ago! Riverdale and Gotham are kinda my inexplicable faves rn

sarahell, Friday, 30 November 2018 23:54 (one week ago) Permalink

i really meant in the comix - cheryl blossom was foregrounded in the world of the show but in the comix iirc she was always an interpolation. "now introducing cheryl!" or like an image of cheryl driving into town in a corvette and veronica and betty put out by archie crushing on her. narratively i think this is obv an opportunity to unite veronica + betty against an outside force but these figures do seem archetypical to me like it's not a coincidence that the brunette + blonde's quest for the all american boy is hijacked by a red head but i'm not 100% sure why i know it's contained within the semiotics of hair color, gender norms + american small town mythos among other things but i can't extract it.

Mordy, Saturday, 1 December 2018 00:00 (one week ago) Permalink

I never read the comix ... so all I have to go on is the tv show. Having her be revealed as queer was a shift, and kinda felt like a tension release in a way? I kinda don't know how I feel about it. I guess one thing that connects Riverdale & Gotham (outside of being based on comics) tv shows, is the way that they incorporate the retro and the contemporary. Like, these shows are "period" and also not, but they try to make it appear cohesive ... idk.

sarahell, Saturday, 1 December 2018 00:05 (one week ago) Permalink

Gotham's even "weirder" in that it incorporates (or tries to) elements from multiple time periods, as opposed to Riverdale which is just 50s + contemporary

sarahell, Saturday, 1 December 2018 00:07 (one week ago) Permalink

riverdale feels like a subversion of the comix - like a lynchian undressing of idyllic small town american high school life. by contrast sabrina despite being also a much more mature + at times disturbing version of its source material feels like it preserves the essential conflicts of the original work. it's just like a much darker take on the torn between two worlds narrative and wanting to be a normal teenager etc. on the show do betty + veronica ever fight over archie? i only watched the first few episodes and the show seemed to be studiously avoiding putting them in competition over his affection.

Mordy, Saturday, 1 December 2018 00:13 (one week ago) Permalink

they don't really fight over archie. show begins with betty having a thing for archie, but she later gets over it and dates jughead. betty and jughead, and veronica and archie who are also a couple, break up for a short time, and archie and betty kiss during this time. but theres not really any "fighting" and both respective couples get back together

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 1 December 2018 00:19 (one week ago) Permalink

it definitely does the Lynch thing, sometimes so much so that I'm rolling my eyes. It's fun tho. I like Gotham better. It actually is interesting in terms of commentary on mental health issues

sarahell, Saturday, 1 December 2018 00:20 (one week ago) Permalink

also re Riverdale, there's the extra-textual thing of Archie's parents being played by Molly Ringwald and Dylan from 90210

sarahell, Saturday, 1 December 2018 00:21 (one week ago) Permalink


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