no boys allowed in the room!!!!

not even hoosteen

http://children.bethelyouthonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/girls-only.jpg

YEAH! I'm in so what do we do in this here room then?

talk about makeup and boys and lisa frank stuff

User BIG HOOS aka the steendriver has been successfully banned from the thread

is this where we talk about shoes and dryer sheets

in a word: y

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I am down with talking about all those things.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0G0KeGZNnU0/SOkLif0annI/AAAAAAAAAJE/P4llZRVs8yQ/s320/8baeded0.gif

and swiffers

i hate the swiffer btw

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q37/abileen/LisaFrankPenguin.jpg

You hate the Swiffer? I was thinking of gettin' one tbh.

i dunno maybe it will improve your life but my mom got me one and it had a neutral effect afaic

i wish clarissa from clarissa explains it all posted here

http://i3.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/21/3c/6ea4_1.JPG

http://i2.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/3c/79/400c_1.JPG

lol

i'm glad oprah doesn't post here except i would like to suggest ban her

MJH was a bitch to me (as covered on another recent thread) so I don't have that much <3 for Clarissa :-(

JTT <3333333333333333

http://www.cmongethappy.com/ccorner/tigerbeat1.jpgp

:-(

http://www.cmongethappy.com/ccorner/tigerbeat1.jpg

we can do this here

http://handson.provocateuse.com/images/photos/james_franco_01.jpg

http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/James_Franco/james_franco_image.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/121/277978882_7d9d9521fe_o.jpg

I totally had this game btw:

http://collegecandy.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/girl_talk_box_cover.jpg

also we can make those paper fortune tellers and tell each others fortunes, in fact i am gonna make one right now

who are:

lisa frank
mjh
clarissa

haha what was the other game that was kinda like girl talk but it had men u could date?

x-post OK yeah, am definitely up for doing that.

GOD DAMN:

http://www.styletraxx.com/JamesFranco.jpg

i recall having this but i don't believe my mom would let me have it so i'm confused
http://www.boardgamesrus.com/images/Mall%20Madness%20G61.gif

xpost justine:

lisa frank designed crazy school supply items like some of the dolphin-festooned things you see on this thread, she was v popular with middle school aged girls in the early-mid 90s

melissa joan hart is mjh, she played the title role in "clarissa explains it all" which was a popular nickelodeon television show for the same age of girls at roughly the same time

i hate to be gabbneb, but i actually did briefly date a guy who kinda looked like james franco, esp as he is in this picture:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1940000/images/_1944248_mate_pa.jpg

anyways he was mad dumb

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/081027/Freaks-And-Geeks/James-Franco-Express_l.jpg

love u boo

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

right??????

man i so rarely like a pinup type of dude it is kinda cool when i do cause then you can like commiserate about it with other girls

LOL yeah he's defintely just well . . . dreamy.

dryer sheets?

yes james franco is a universal.

he's 2 years older than me?!

dryer sheets and other products for the home lol

yeah what's the with dryer sheets? I'm allergic to most fabric softeners so I have to use hippy dippy all natural stuff that doesn't work all that great but is at least something.

how old r u

i hate dryer sheets, they are pointless

i don't like anything that makes things smell like anything!

Mr. Franco and I are 4 mo. and 10 days apart in age and I believe he's currently attending my alma matter.

http://www.mblcosmeticsandmore.com/files/2343446/uploaded/Loves%20Baby%20Soft.jpg

?

damn erica lol

http://lee.org/journal/journal%20030104-043004/jean-nate.jpg

en vaporisateur

hahahaha touche

yall check out this creepy ad btw:

http://rgh.cc/albums/userpics/10001/%5Bcreepy%5Dloves-baby-soft-ad-c1976.jpg

(wait - I dind't actually know that . . . I looked it up just now. Just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was some franco-obsessed crazy person)

ew rapey

xp

ok yeah, that is exceptionally creepy

Need to catch up but I am glad to have been called out because I didn’t see that my comment could be interpreted as non-affirming of Kate’s gender identity. I sincerely did not mean that and really apologize for angst I caused

One of my friends that does this a lot to me, I will sometimes get frustrated because he is very loquacious. And I will ask him, "Does it matter that I am here listening to you?" As in, I am present for this conversation, but it is mostly his monologue and I'm supposedly the audience, but, am I really? Or ... as the audience, do I get some agency here? Can I like, fast forward through some of it?

― sarahell

i mean as long as the other person is clear that they don't actually need me to listen or respond i'm fine with it. my primary calls it "rubber-ducking". i guess it's something programmers do, they try to explain their code to like a rubber duck on their desk and that's how they manage. nobody actually listens with rapt attention to every single thing their partner says, right?

What’s up with Lume deodorant … I feel like I am missing something?

Or am I the only one here who gets lots of ads for this product?

i get them too and i totally dont get it

It’s apparently great at preventing swamp crotch

*sad lols*

https://imgur.com/a/P7cTAlP

Hopefully that link works

My period AND period shits AND chest congestion? Did I inadvertently offend an old Romany woman? And just as the Oscar bait started trickling into my local theaters!

ugh that sucks j.lu

for me the hilarity that i have been grumpy about for a while now is that oh hey guess what my fasting blood sugar jumps 20 points when i get my period because that is apparently “just a common thing that happens”

but how the fuck am i supposed to adjust for it when i’m perimenopausal and have zero chance of predicting when i’ll start anymore. 2 weeks? 4? 8? who knows weee

Maybe I am late to the party so to speak but apparently there is a trendy phrase “girl math” that makes me livid when I am reminded of it

yes hate it

oh my god yes, I get infuriated

I have to google that but I've been putting it off because I am sure it will give me the rage

Is it like "girl dinner" which is also awful unless you are referring to like a 5 year old's chicken tenders

pretty much

Relieved to not come across most of these trendy words unless my students bring it up. Or I see it on Ilx.

Lol … chicken tenders with a place setting for a stuffed toy and the family pet … otherwise ughhh

I haven’t been able to stop thinking about this poor woman since I read about this case.

https://theguardian.com/world/article/2024/sep/05/french-woman-world-fell-apart-alleged-rapes-men-invited-by-husband-gisele-pelicot

It’s fucking awful. Some of the things that have haunted me since I read about this:


- when the police showed her images of her being assaulted while unconscious by dozens of men over the decades, she didn’t recognise herself
- The accused men recruited by her husband were instructed to avoid smelling of any kind of fragrance or cigarette smoke to avoid alerting his wife and to leave if she moved so much as an arm, investigators said.
- She told the court that without knowing she was being regularly drugged at night, she had begun to have difficulties remembering things and concentrating and even feared taking the train to see her adult children in case she missed her stop. She said she had lost weight and at one point had difficulty controlling her arm.
- Asked by the judge if she had experienced gynaecological issues, Gisèle Pélicot said yes. She said medical tests during the police investigation showed she had been infected with several sexually transmitted diseases.

Hell is real and we’re living in it.

jesus that is absolutely horrifying.

This woman walked around for decades and these men passed her in the town they lived in, and she didn’t know them, it’s honestly like a fucking nightmare and she was in it for decades. She knew something was wrong and had it denied by her husband at every turn. I’m so sick for her.

i could feel my stomach sink when i read it. can't imagine what their kids feel like :(

i still think about the Fritzl daughter periodically. i know what you mean about being haunted by it.

It’s just like you read these details and they stick with you. The husband attending the doctor with her, supposedly to help but actually to muddy the waters. The way her body knew what was going on and kept breaking down or getting sick. The way the majority of the men lived within 1km from her, they would have seen her around plenty. The way the numbers kept going up and nobody told. Not a single person told.

All those men who knew, all those years. Really disproves the ol "a good family man, who could have possibly guessed he was capable of this?" chestnut.

And he confessed to a prior rape and is maybe linked to a rape & murder, which is how the SA videos on his phone were actually found??!

It's never just one thing, when it comes to misogyny and violence against women, girls, children.

A man made the mistake of saying something like that to me recently, like, "What kind of break has to happen to someone for them to change so much that they go against their former selves?" and I was like "I hope you're sitting down because I've got news for you about men's inner selves." He didn't have much to say after I got done.

Also I didn’t really know where to post this, it didn’t feel right posting about it in the France threads because it’s not really France, it happened there but it happens anywhere

Also I didn’t really know where to post this, it didn’t feel right posting about it in the France threads because it’s not really France, it happened there but it happens anywhere

it is a cliche obv but honestly what kind of person does this - the husband, the many rapists

it feels simultaneously like the farfetched plottings of a tv show but so depressingly believable

cannot fathom what her life must be like now, all that carnage - like you wake up one day and its literally shown to you the ways in which you are a human shipwreck

I know, I was thinking about that too. Was the shock even somewhat cushioned by the realisation that she wasn’t going mad, that none of these things were invented or embellished?

what kind of person does this - the husband, the many rapists

Like. Men. There are a lot of men who will do things they know women don't want if they can get away with it; honestly my ex was one of them. He wanted to be able to "show affection" HIS way even when I didn't want that. I wouldn't give in/move my boundaries so we'd have a fight about it. The distance between that and the perp in France is one of degree, not kind.

I’m so fucking sorry.

yeah that sucks -- i'm sorry too.

this is why i still to this day flip tf out when someone argues with/tries to cajole or persuade me after i say no, or questions my reasons for saying no and why i refuse to negotiate after saying no. i said what i meant: no.

Yeah me too because I had "wake up" moments that I knew were not okay but I'd be caught off guard and by the next day it would seem like not that big a deal. But the answer is men.

yeah i was not always this way. i would just be triggered into capitulation or waste my energy arguing my case. not anymore.

yeah like i said its a cliched question that even i know the answer to

that kind of familiar diseased/deformed confidence where he just secretly does whatever the fuck he wants with impugnity TO his wife

the unseen-portion-of- the-iceberg that are these men is always horrifying to confront

In my case, I'm mostly alluding to things that aren't inherently bad; if a person other than me was okay with that kind of gesture or touch, that would be fine. I just wasn't, because I didn't receive it in a positive way. The problem was the refusal to accept my No.

this is why i still to this day flip tf out when someone argues with/tries to cajole or persuade me after i say no, or questions my reasons for saying no and why i refuse to negotiate after saying no. i said what i meant: no.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera)

I mean this in 100% sincerity, your belief in your self is a beacon to me.

aw thanks -- glad to have it even if i had to earn it the hard way. <3

yeah i was not always this way. i would just be triggered into capitulation or waste my energy arguing my case. not anymore.

Or...his daughter is pescatarian, which he complained about regularly. Occasionally he would say something like, "I'll just make that with chicken broth, she'll never know" and I would FLIP MY SHIT. He had no problem transgressing someone else's boundaries, especially if they wouldn't know about it or couldn't do anything about it.

I feel exactly the same about men who sign up as a younger age on dating sites even if they tell on themselves in their comments. You wanted to evade women's age filters so you could force them to see your profile when you know that the women don't want that. It's not different.

aside from this one, there were so many horrifying cases all within the span of a month - the doctor who was gangraped and murdered *while at work* in India, the Olympic marathon runner who was set on fire by her boyfriend, the Telegram chat groups filled with porn deepfakes of regular women in South Korea

all perpetrated by "ordinary" men

I know. I didn’t mean to not mention them, but I didn’t mean to mention them either. I wish I could unknow them. I didn’t know about the South Korean situation but it is genuinely terrifying the way women are treated there, for a hyper advanced country.

no of course not, i don't blame anyone for not wanting to read or talk about any of it. it almost doesn't matter what advances we make as a species, somehow the world finds new, worse ways to hurt women

the thing that struck me about the Pelicot case was that her husband originally got caught for upskirting. like if that hadn't happened, she would never have known what had happened to her. out of the dozens of men who saw his ad online, who was invited over to their home, not one of them thought to warn her or alert authorities, not one of them thought "uh this is too fucked up, even for me"

thanks for bringing this up - it's something that on one hand I have been talking about with others, and on the other, what is there is even to say now?

wasn't she getting tested for alzheimers or something because she couldn't make sense of what was happening?

Yes.

After the couple retired to the southern town of Mazan in 2013, and Gisèle fell inexplicably ill — she was losing weight; her hair was falling out; she randomly experienced significant lapses in her memory, which she called “total blackouts” — it was Dominique who took her to see various doctors. “I was persuaded I had the beginnings of Alzheimer’s or a brain tumor,” Gisèle testified, according to the Times. But now, her symptoms appear to be the result of crushed sleeping pills Dominique had been slipping into her food and drinks.

He reportedly told police that he started drugging his wife so that he could make her wear clothes and do things she wouldn’t while awake and said he never took money from the men he invited to rape her.

the unseen-portion-of- the-iceberg that are these men is always horrifying to confront

Naturally, she wasn’t the only woman he abused.

But other women featured in his accounts, too. The Guardian reports that he kept a folder entitled, “Around my daughter, naked,” which contained collages of her similarly incapacitated and nude. (She wrote a memoir about her father’s crimes, Et j’ai cessé de t’appeler papa, in 2022, under the pen name Caroline Darian.) Dominique had also taken surreptitious photos of his daughters-in-law, naked, without their knowledge or consent.

Aurore told the court that she once thought she heard Mr. Pelicot say something to her nephew about the child’s apparent refusal to play doctor with him. But she didn’t tell anyone, for fear she had imagined it. She was the victim of abuse in her family, she said, which made her worry she was prone to seeing abuse everywhere.

_the unseen-portion-of- the-iceberg that are these men is always horrifying to confront_
that's it, isn't it, I mean how likely is it that all the disgusting rapists who like doing that happened to live in her town? so actually now we all know that a much higher percentage of "your average guy" is one of those (than most people probably assumed)

that's my point! your average man in the neighbourhood, not someone who'd gone there specifically to do this. if there are other husbands in other towns doing this, it suggests there are tens of men happy to participate every other town.

sorry I'm typing on my phone and it's a bit fiddly

It’s not really class envy, but more like an alien culture … maybe it’s just me but … women opinion writers in the NY Times who discuss the challenges of motherhood while writing their dissertations … idk idk … so far removed from my reality

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/associate-frenchman-accused-mass-rape-wife-admits-similar-abuse-2024-09-18/

Prosecutors allege Marechal met Pelicot on a website called Coco, where Pelicot shared with him images of the rapes of his wife by the men he had recruited, describing how he had drugged her.
Marechal said in the courtroom he stumbled across the website by accident and initially refused Pelicot's request to rape his wife before acquiescing. Prosecutors say Pelicot drugged Marechal's wife and raped her while Marechal watched.
Pelicot acknowledged his guilt in raping Marechal's wife and said he regretted his actions, adding that he cut contact with them after she woke up while he was in her room. Prosecutors say Pelicot was recorded in at least three of 12 assaults against Marechal's wife Cilia.
The 54-year-old has five children with Marechal and has stuck by him, not filing a criminal complaint.

ugggghhhh how is this a thing!?
that multiple men not only want to do, but go and do?
hope that woman gets some of the support she will need.