Rolling CHALLENGING OPINIONS thread 2008

no rush dude

this kid is cool but oh man - throughout this whole convo i wanted to be like "listen dude i post to a MESSAGE BOARD i can't be having pointless convos about the order of albums in pfork lists in real life. i'm WAY PASSED YOU."

*rolling my damn eyes*: ok im pretty much furious with pitchfork's "end of decade" features
sargnt88: why
*rolling my damn eyes*: i mean the articles are pretty okay, the decade in indie is actually quite good, but these Top lists are AWFUL
*rolling my damn eyes*: for songs, they literally just picked about 400 songs for numbers 500-100 and randomly assigned numbers
*rolling my damn eyes*: there is literally no logical methodology for how these are selected
*rolling my damn eyes*: and then their top 20 was pretty off, to say the least
*rolling my damn eyes*: and then
*rolling my damn eyes*: this best albums of the decade list is such crap
*rolling my damn eyes*: like how are they honestly going to put Dear Science at like 140, when it was literally ALL THEY COULD TALK ABOUT last year
*rolling my damn eyes*: and then put a decent but not great dirty projectors album about 80 spots ahead of that
sargnt88: yeah there are some odd placements
*rolling my damn eyes*: and like
sargnt88: dp album was shockingly high
*rolling my damn eyes*: ok
*rolling my damn eyes*: vampire weekend?
*rolling my damn eyes*: great album!
*rolling my damn eyes*: absolute fluff
*rolling my damn eyes*: nowhere near number 70 or whatever they ranked it
sargnt88: dude it was at 30 or something
*rolling my damn eyes*: DEFINITELY not ahead of exploding hearts' "guitar romantic"
*rolling my damn eyes*: and where the FUCK is Interpol's "Turn Off the Bright Lights" and Strokes' "Is This It"?
*rolling my damn eyes*: what about Elephant?
*rolling my damn eyes*: how can you NOT put those in the top 50
sargnt88: well
sargnt88: there is still 25 left!
sargnt88: those 3 will all be there
*rolling my damn eyes*: 20
sargnt88: 20
*rolling my damn eyes*: i think elephant was listed already
*rolling my damn eyes*: like way back
*rolling my damn eyes*: interpol too
*rolling my damn eyes*: and also
*rolling my damn eyes*: like
*rolling my damn eyes*: im thrilled that the national had both alligator and boxer in
*rolling my damn eyes*: but boxer is a far superior album
*rolling my damn eyes*: and theres no reason for alligator to get top 50 and boxer to get shafted to like 180
*rolling my damn eyes*: BUT BEYOND ALL OF THAT
*rolling my damn eyes*: there is this
*rolling my damn eyes*: :
*rolling my damn eyes*: I actually think it [In Rainbows] might be their best. Better than OK Computer, better than Kid A.
*rolling my damn eyes*: ok
*rolling my damn eyes*: well
*rolling my damn eyes*: fine
*rolling my damn eyes*: you want to call In Rainbows Radiohead's best album?
*rolling my damn eyes*: youd be foolish
*rolling my damn eyes*: you probably just havent relistened to OK Computer in a while
*rolling my damn eyes*: but fine
*rolling my damn eyes*: claim that
*rolling my damn eyes*: but you CANT say that and then stick it at 21 of the decade
*rolling my damn eyes*: if youre arguing that In Rainbows is radiohead's BEST ALBUM, there is zero chance that isn't in the top 10, or even top 5, of the decade
sargnt88: yeeeeeeeeeeah it was kind of weird that they let that blurb run like that
*rolling my damn eyes*: and essentially his argument in favor of IR over OKC or bends is that since its newer and we havent had as much time with it its fresher to him and its also so much more approachable - just look at how many new radiohead fans there are!!!1!
*rolling my damn eyes*: FUCK THAT NOISE
*rolling my damn eyes*: animal collective arent approachable for shit and theyre raved and raved about
*rolling my damn eyes*: is merriweather post pavilion in this list yet?
sargnt88: nah it's coming
*rolling my damn eyes*: cause if not ill bet you that winds up top 10
*rolling my damn eyes*: yeah, and that is some sauce
*rolling my damn eyes*7: im sorry, look, its a decent album when you can finally get into it, and maybe it might hint at where one part of indie rock is moving towards, this freshly avant-garde, hard to appreciate but worth the effort kind of sound
*rolling my damn eyes*: but
*rolling my damn eyes*: COME ON
sargnt88: yeah i don't understand how they're rating it so high already
sargnt88: i dont have any feelings really about them but idk
*rolling my damn eyes*: its absurd
sargnt88: i thought feels & sung tongs were untoppable amongst AC people
*rolling my damn eyes*: look i can get high and enjoy animal collective but only in REALLY small doses
*rolling my damn eyes*: theyre really really excruciatingly hard to enjoy
*rolling my damn eyes*: and i wont even begin to deny that a good good portion of their song catalogue is bullshit noise and you can call it "artsy" or whatever if you want but let's be honest no one is really being impressed with a big fan of AC
*rolling my damn eyes*: i'll talk pulk/pull over any ac song any day because at least when radiohead does songs comprised mostly of noise it's fucking RIDICULOUS the way the sound penetrates your ears and that song honestly makes you feel like you can sense the ripples of the sound waves in and out as they enter your ear
*rolling my damn eyes*: /end rant
sargnt88: yes well
sargnt88: kid a is going to be number 1
sargnt88: so don't cry too hard
sargnt88: discovery will probs be #2
*rolling my damn eyes*: they just really arent helping their rep as elitist pricks who talk more out of their ass than with logic

hahahah that is epic

i never ever say this but that dude may need to get drunk or laid or something

look i can get high and enjoy animal collective

if there was an "YEAH I SAID IT" in there my life as a challops surveyor would've been complete

yeah it def could have used a "i'm totally serious"

what is "some sauce"? is that like a regional expression i don't know?

yeah i have no idea

*rolling my damn eyes*: they just really arent helping their rep as elitist pricks who talk more out of their ass than with logic

Cuz ffs only logical ppl are allowed to be elitist pricks!!

do u go to school with this kid jordan?

lol'd at "it's absurd."

high school. he's two years younger than me.

lol why did i think *rolling* was whiney

they just really arent helping their rep as elitist pricks who talk more out of their ass than with logic

wait, what role does logic play in ranking the "best" albums of the decade?

it was the daw software used to make some of them

This kind of thing just reminds me of kids arguing about whether Batman could beat up Spiderman in a hypothetical fight - after a certain age, if you take that sort of thing seriously it's just kinda sad.

talking about superhero fights is inevitably more entertaining than arguing about indie rock lists imo.

J0rdan should go back and ask the eye rolling kid whether Radiohead could beat up Animal Collective if they each had superpowers

Sarg, you made that stuff up, right? please don't tell me this conversation actually happened irl. (oh, and Thor is stronger, obv.)

pretty sure it happened on the internet, thus a posted transcript & publishing of sarg's aim name

ah, so it obv. was a joke then.

i think i might actually prefer the kshighway-era P2K thread, wow

wrong thread

"I couldn't be more serious" this is like a challop drudge siren isn't it?

haha, yeah, that and "there i said it"

the twin towers of challops

Sully Sullenberg, heroic plane lander: fuck this guy

t/s: buying burzum albums (1 murder, bad politics) vs. paying taxes (tens of thousands of murders, less bad politics)

― armed with swords and hash (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, November 20, 2009 8:20 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

such an old-school challop in the "THIS IS GOING TO BLOW YOUR MIND" sense

wow that is super.

that's a doozy

amazing

this from the dude who loathes arrested development with a passion :D

i never understood the appeal of later kraftwerk. the early stuff with michael rother and before was great experimental and occasionally wildly improvised music. but from autobahn on they were just cashing in with boring repetitive electronic music with simplistic tunes.

― alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, December 2, 2009 5:16 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

Mined and polished from a deep, shiny seam of challop.

Which brings to mind this point in the narrative:

2.5. The media is extremely liberal and FOX is the only conservative voice there is.

This is why 'Fair & Balanced' is so important to them. Because the media is extremely liberal the only way to be fair is for FOX to be extremely conservative, and thus help to balance out the overarching narrative of news media-wide.

Of course the thought that any corporate-funded news channel in America is truly liberal is the biggest joke of all.

― Adam Bruneau, Thursday, February 4, 2010 3:42 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

with respect, so much of what this dude says in pol threads strikes me as the most conventional of wisdom in the most "jesus was a JEW fyi" of tones

hm.

that was me.

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all good scifi is about "now" anyway

― snoocki (s1ocki), Friday, 12 February 2010 15:55 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ehhhhh

challops need that aggressive "im blowin yr mind" edge to really be challops imo

yeah got no probs with that one. challops status request denied imo.

yea dats not a challop

OVERRULED

it's a challop in my sci-fi alternate history world (that is in no way about "now")

Secondly, I don't wanna turn into Chuck Eddy, but I'll for damn sure take novelty hits over the mainstream alternative rock of the 1990s. Take the collected works of Nirvana, grind the CDs into shards and pound 'em up Billy Corgan's ass with a mallet.

― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:19 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark

Billy Corgan's Ass-Mallet shd be his next project.

hammer them up billy ray cyrus's ass with a mullet

If Joanna looked like Beth Ditto this thread would only have five messages posted to it.

― mottdeterre

destroy - 03 bonnie and clyde jay-z

― Ballistic, Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:51 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^

― im barry white btw (The Reverend), Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:52 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark

dude you are seriously gonna ride for that one?