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do you still have his number?

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:07 (sixteen years ago)

this was a guy that recently went to therapy for "internet addiction" ... he also suffered from "executive function disorder" (this is not the boarding school guy from the other thread) ... at one point I figured I would end up marrying him.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:09 (sixteen years ago)

"cui parendum est"

cockles (country matters), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:10 (sixteen years ago)

if he had manifested all his endearments in Latin he would have been a right old catch imo

cockles (country matters), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:11 (sixteen years ago)

I went to a crappy American public high school ... I have no idea what that means, except for est = some version of the verb "to be" because that's what it is in French.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:12 (sixteen years ago)

xp he liked croquet ... I was down with some of the fey anglophilia, but croquet ... too much.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:14 (sixteen years ago)

It means "she (or he) who must be obeyed", weirdly enough. Literally, "for whom it is obligated to obey". Croquet is really good fun but I can go months, even years, without playing it. It's actually quite big in some American circles.

cockles (country matters), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:17 (sixteen years ago)

it just bugged me in the same way white hipster guys' excessive appropriation of black street slang annoys me.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:19 (sixteen years ago)

yo, feelin u freals

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:21 (sixteen years ago)

lol - it isn't like any cultural appropriation bothers me, there's just this invisible line where it becomes too much ...

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:23 (sixteen years ago)

i dunno, i tend to slip into neurotic jewish best friend type (weak woody allen really) as the default easily digestible capsule version of myself for parties, and I am very not jewish.

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:25 (sixteen years ago)

no offense, but my better half will occasionally do that "tawk amongst yerselves" thing in that accent, and that's the one speech mannerism thing of his that annoys me. I'm still not sure why.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:31 (sixteen years ago)

oh, the party thing is one of those things that makes me hate myself a little bit afterwards, but I can usually scrub it off in the shower

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:34 (sixteen years ago)

related to annoying use of "baby" in love songs: why so much 2nd person for all time?

there is no there there (elmo argonaut), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:36 (sixteen years ago)

I'm trying to think if I have a party persona ... as opposed to me, only louder and more talkative

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:37 (sixteen years ago)

btw nice use of the gerundive periphrastic there lj

there is no there there (elmo argonaut), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:39 (sixteen years ago)

xxp um lol?

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:39 (sixteen years ago)

the 2nd person usage is all about identification and such

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:40 (sixteen years ago)

aw elmo 'twas nothing *blushes*

cockles (country matters), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:40 (sixteen years ago)

back to the waffl3 sh0p thing:
"Waffle Shop is an experimental platform for media production and public dialogue that combines a restaurant with the production of a talk show directly on the premises.

At Waffle Shop, our customers are also our stars, as we film each night, inviting interested patrons to express their unique opinions and personalities. These recordings are streamed live through this very website during our open hours, and then produced into episodes which are broadcast publicly 24 hours a day in the windows of the storefront, and made available through our online archive.

Upcoming plans include: a changeable analog phrase system designed for the vacant billboard space above the shop, a live weekend world news show, an independent record label that produces and distributes music recorded live during our nighttime show, and a weekly radio show."

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:50 (sixteen years ago)

2nd person is problematic, though -- its use often leads to the assumption that the song is romantic in nature, even if the addressee of the song is not a romantic object

there is no there there (elmo argonaut), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:51 (sixteen years ago)

do you mean 2nd person in love songs, or 2nd person in general? I mean, there are plenty of songs about "you" that are very obviously not romantic.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:53 (sixteen years ago)

Waffle Shop thing sounds like a packaging of what oughtn't be packaged

cockles (country matters), Monday, 17 August 2009 21:56 (sixteen years ago)

a former collaborator of mine did something there recently, and I was trying to come up with a way to do something in a talk show format that would be a relatively subtle critique of banal positivism. There's this focus on "service" ... that art has to be a service to its audience, hence the restaurant idea. There was a guy locally that did an ice cream stand as an art project.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:00 (sixteen years ago)

It just seems to me like they're trying to package the 'human drama' of an easily-accessible social situation...it's like selling us air, or erecting a viewing stand on a busy high street

cockles (country matters), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:13 (sixteen years ago)

definitely ... one of the guys behind it is the dude that did that "Learning to Love You More" project with Miranda July

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:14 (sixteen years ago)

I know you linked that earlier...but what was that again? A crash-course in endearments which would supposedly strengthen love's bonds with their proscribed multiplicity?

cockles (country matters), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:16 (sixteen years ago)

no, I didn't ... it was a web project and then became a book

http://www.learningtoloveyoumore.com/

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:18 (sixteen years ago)

the prescriptive nature of these assignments is intended to guide people towards their own experience.

urrrrrrgh this is still patently about the collectivism of experience

cockles (country matters), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:21 (sixteen years ago)

besides the fact that it is implying what one's experience should be like.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:23 (sixteen years ago)

"baby" is favored in music for its simple, melodic capabilities. Nice alliteration and two different vowels that can stretch on forever. Ref: Everly Bros

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:23 (sixteen years ago)

is "two princes" by spin doctors based on something literary?

One, two, princes kneel before you
(thats what I said, now)
Princes, princes who adore you
(just go ahead, now)
One has diamonds in his pockets
(that sounds great, now)
This one, said he wants to buy you lockets
(aint in his head, now)

This one, he got a princely racket
(thats what I said, now)
Got some big seal upon his jacket
(aint in his head, now)
Marry him, your father will condone you
(how bout that, now)
Marry me, your father will disown you
(hell eat his hat, now)

Philip Nunez, Monday, 17 August 2009 22:26 (sixteen years ago)

The best art and writing is almost like an assignment; it is so vibrant that you feel compelled to make something in response. Suddenly it is clear what you have to do. For a brief moment it seems wonderfully easy to live and love and create breathtaking things. In this section we have archived some of the work that has commanded us in this way. In a sense, these are assignments -- in the same way that the ocean gives the assignment of breathing deeply, and kissing instructs us to stop thinking.

holy hell who are these dipshits

cockles (country matters), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:27 (sixteen years ago)

"ee" is actually not the easiest vowel to stretch out vocally ...

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:27 (sixteen years ago)

him

and her

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:30 (sixteen years ago)

xp: well all you have to do is dreeeeeeeeeam, dreeeeeeeeeeam, dreeeeeeeeeam, dreeeeeeeam, dreeeeeeeeeeam, dreeeeeeeeeeeeam, dreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeam

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:38 (sixteen years ago)

serious about the "ee" ... probably why a lot of pop singers sing "bay beh"

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:40 (sixteen years ago)

maybe "a lot" of pop singers don't sing. I'm thinking of the greats.

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:43 (sixteen years ago)

she was just seventeen and you know what I mean

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:43 (sixteen years ago)

which came first -- the proliferation of "baby" or that of "crazy"?

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 17 August 2009 22:46 (sixteen years ago)

facebook wants me to become a fan of a particular brand of deodorant, if I'm a fan of people wearing deodorant ... and over 133,000 people are fans of this brand of deodorant. I'm a fan of not having waxy gunk in my ears, and Qtips are pretty good for removing waxy gunk from ears, but I'm not going to "become a fan" of Qtips ...

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Friday, 21 August 2009 10:18 (sixteen years ago)

I just wonder is this fandom authentic or ironic. Is it an attempt to make the ad go away and see what comes next? I'm fascinated by this, because it is thoroughly baffling to me.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Friday, 21 August 2009 10:28 (sixteen years ago)

declaration of allegiance to a particular product is a declaration of individuality

a being that goes on two legs and is ungrateful (dyao), Friday, 21 August 2009 10:30 (sixteen years ago)

if I'm a fan of people wearing deodorant

how did facebook posit the question? "If you looooove wearing deodorant, join Arrid today!"?

a being that goes on two legs and is ungrateful (dyao), Friday, 21 August 2009 10:33 (sixteen years ago)

xp - The thing that gets me the most about the deodorant thing is that it's a product that isn't a traditional "I buy this, I'm a this kind of person" type of product.

the question was literally, "if you're a fan of people wearing deodorant, become a fan of (brand name) deodorant..." then under the picture, "133,xxx people are fans of (brand name) deodorant"

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Friday, 21 August 2009 10:36 (sixteen years ago)

haha what a weird way of phrasing the question. "if you like to eat, join the McDonald's Facebook group..."

I do think deodorant brands do make an effort to map themselves onto different personality types: Axe is for, well, it's obvious, Old Spice has the stink of old money, Mitchum is for no-nonsense people who want no odors.

in many ways, deodorants are just practical perfumes

a being that goes on two legs and is ungrateful (dyao), Friday, 21 August 2009 10:42 (sixteen years ago)

so do brands of tampons, but unless the type you buy are organic or something special and virtuous, I just don't see the appeal of advertising one's fandom of a product that is functional and corrective of bodily functions one doesn't want to advertise. ...

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Friday, 21 August 2009 10:46 (sixteen years ago)

facebook isn't really too surprising a venue for this type of behavior, as its success lies in the ability for its users to concoct the perfect admixture of movies, TV shows, music, quotes, religious views, blood type, etc. to stand in place as their avatar online. stanning for a particular brand of deodorant to me seems like a natural extension; you could probably start a deodorant poll on ILE right now and get 100 new replies in 24 hours.

a being that goes on two legs and is ungrateful (dyao), Friday, 21 August 2009 10:49 (sixteen years ago)

it totally makes sense for this type of advertising to exist on facebook for the reasons you mention, but the way the question was posed and the particular product and the 133,000 + fans made me go wtf

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Friday, 21 August 2009 10:50 (sixteen years ago)

xxp I dunno, I can't tell what kind of tampons are in use when walking on the street, but I certainly can tell when someone walks by who has just liberally applied Axe all across the chest of their open faced polo.

to me, deodorants are a way of aspiring to the use of a perfume as identifying marker without actually admitting that it is one's purpose; i.e. someone for whatever reason doesn't feel comfortable with the idea of buying a perfume or cologne to give themselves a distinctive scent, thinking it's too forward, or foppish, or whatever, but feels perfectly alright with buying a deodorant with a distinctive scent since it's for a 'practical' purpose, and well one has to use deodorant anyway so why not choose a brand one likes?

a being that goes on two legs and is ungrateful (dyao), Friday, 21 August 2009 10:53 (sixteen years ago)


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