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Hey, I don't want to be a fucking cheerleader and be all "You! Too! Can climb mountains!" because really, fuck that, I want to punch that attitude in the face when people dare do it to me.

I am not underestimating the hugeness and insurmountableness of these kinds of things when you are living with depression. Mountains are a fucking problem.

But just trying to say, that for me, when I could still afford therapy, talking about THOSE FUCKEN MOUNTAINS, was a big help, for me. Your mileage and mountaineering efforts may be different.

Now I want to punch myself in the face, so I'm going to go and work on my "leaving the house today" badge.

Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 11:49 (eleven years ago)

Eh, I know. It's 20% that getting a diagnosis would cost £££ to see a private specialist and probably not actually result in any benefits (also you'll be told repeatedly that you can spell and draw a box between some dots and have a job so there can't possibly be anything wrong with you) and 80% "maybe I am just imagining it, I mean I can't have all these things wrong with me I keep deciding are wrong with me, and I don't really want the embarrassment of being a time-waster".

My old GP retired and I liked him a lot but he did have a slightly stuffy kids-just-need-a-stern-talking-to streak so I've never felt very free to go there with my GP, but maybe I will with the next one?

Though I've dropped hints about my latest imagined developmental and personality disorders to therapists I've been seeing about depression but IME asking about anything else (even a thing which might be an underlying cause of depression) just results in being told that it's the depression that makes you think any negative thoughts, whether they're that socialising is complicated and alien and people always expect you to get stuff that you aren't getting, or that you're clumsy and bad at things which other people don't even think are things. But maybe, just maybe...

(and tbf they probably just want to go "no, you mustn't believe you'll never get over that mountain, so agreeing there might be something innately un-mountain-climby about you would be counterproductive". Which is a fair attitude, really. And also I don't even know if I want coping skills - a little, but enough to work at them? - or just a badge to point to next time someone goes "everybody can ride a bike, why can't you x, why do you make such a big deal about tiny everyday things, bla" so I can officially not give a toss what they say. Which I suppose I could already try not giving, badge or no badge.)

club mate martyr (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 12:07 (eleven years ago)

on the bright side, i feel a renewed energy about this now that i have spewed my innermost feelings
thanks for listening
and really, i know it's not cool to be super posi all the time but i have to be or else i don't see any point in continuing anything
so let's get to it

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 12:42 (eleven years ago)

yah the main thing that makes me feel better is just slowly getting better at shit
After 2 years of cycling I think I have outgrown my 3-gear bike! That or I am just covetous of the idea of a new bicycle.
I'm pretty clumsy and slow at a lot of things still but my thought now is not 'I suck' but 'everyone else is just going to have to learn patience'

King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 14:08 (eleven years ago)

Otm
I don't suck. I'm a student.

Learning is a complicated process and I believe the emotional component is up there with the proficiency component. Hence my work project.

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 14:18 (eleven years ago)

love the term "inner rotten morrissey"

always keeping my IRM in check

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 03:51 (eleven years ago)

loooooooooooool I never knew that as a Morissey song, I only know the Kirsty MacColl version.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:05 (eleven years ago)

That voice is loud and clear my own teenage/adolescent voice and it needs to be silenced for sure.

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:16 (eleven years ago)

i can't even blame it on morrissey -- he just confirmed what i already thought was true
adolescence was a bummer avalanche
sorry guys this is totally embarrassing me and i need to stop talking about it

how about this nice weather eh

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:00 (eleven years ago)

this is so good i made a pdf of it

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/28/opinion/sunday/learning-to-love-criticism.html

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 18:35 (eleven years ago)

76 percent of the negative feedback given to women included some kind of personality criticism, such as comments that the woman was “abrasive,” “judgmental” or “strident.” Only 2 percent of men’s critical reviews included negative personality comments.

holy shit

just1n3, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 18:39 (eleven years ago)

love it

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 2 October 2014 03:01 (eleven years ago)

A friend of mine posted in despair on FB recently that she'd been bullied by her boss, cried because of it, and was frustrated to be informed her crying was "aggressive". WTF!?

nb: do not know if said boss was male or female, but I am just realising i find it curious that my knee jerk was to assume female.. hm.

Gumbercules? I love that guy! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 October 2014 03:18 (eleven years ago)

i am so tired of the way men routinely talk to me that i am reaching some kind of breaking point

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Sunday, 5 October 2014 17:58 (eleven years ago)

^^^^^^ this

tired of dudes who act like they know it all and are just kind of mediocre and unpleasant. whose mode of conversation is incessant snarky, smug, put down, dismissive comments about everything and anything (and especially about women). dude can't you roll your eyes at everything privately, without talking? that would be nice

(walks away/puts headphones back on)

seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 5 October 2014 18:33 (eleven years ago)

I was looking for the cosine gif, but I can't find it since Google changed the GIS results format, but pretend I just posted an animated gif with a circle tracing a cosine and said "cosign".

Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Sunday, 5 October 2014 18:51 (eleven years ago)

my breaking point came when 2 guy friends joined a facebook conversation i was involved in the "bring reason into the argument" (while simultaneously accusing me of trying to "railroad" them, and invoking our friendship against my disagreeing with them). I posted a long-ass screed decrying every close male friend i have ever had and all the fucked up things they have done to me. the apologies have been pouring in! no care evar!

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 October 2014 14:23 (eleven years ago)

feeling righteous, woke up doing the bobby gillespie clap

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 October 2014 14:23 (eleven years ago)

gah that is the best feeling
feels so good to be free of emotional dead weight

new day rising!

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Monday, 6 October 2014 14:41 (eleven years ago)

I'm so sorry about the bobby gillespie clap, but you know there is a course of antibiotics you can get for that.

*boom-tish*

Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Monday, 6 October 2014 15:02 (eleven years ago)

(Sorry, Roxy, couldn't resist. I am glad that you managed to clear the air.)

Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Monday, 6 October 2014 15:02 (eleven years ago)

hahaha!

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 October 2014 15:26 (eleven years ago)

someday id like to do the same here, clearing the air about fucked up things people have done and said to me on ilx. not today tho

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 October 2014 15:27 (eleven years ago)

good luck with that :P

King Clone (Crabbits), Monday, 6 October 2014 15:30 (eleven years ago)

sorry shouldn't be such a cynic

King Clone (Crabbits), Monday, 6 October 2014 15:31 (eleven years ago)

and i will couple it with an apology for being a party to some, or loling in the background

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 October 2014 15:31 (eleven years ago)

dunno if I'm incredibly lucky or something, but my male friends do not pull shit like that with me, ever.

sarahell, Monday, 6 October 2014 20:18 (eleven years ago)

uh you are incredibly lucky. like someone born with 5 clits or something

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:19 (eleven years ago)

there is one dude who is a member of the noise co-op I am also a member of who will sometimes be condescending in a way that we have discussed in this thread, but I don't consider that dude a friend.

sarahell, Monday, 6 October 2014 20:24 (eleven years ago)

lol at the five clits

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:24 (eleven years ago)

or i mean maybe its not luck! maybe you project something that says "dont try it"

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:25 (eleven years ago)

5 clits sounds like a recipe for lack of fulfillment

sarahell, Monday, 6 October 2014 20:26 (eleven years ago)

i've been thinking about this too. i think if i were friends with more "asshole" types this would happen more? but those guys generally don't want to be friends with me (nor i with them, honestly)
maybe that's not it
i dont know

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:58 (eleven years ago)

also lol

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:58 (eleven years ago)

posted a long-ass screed decrying every close male friend i have ever had and all the fucked up things they have done to me.

― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, October 6, 2014 10:23 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hero

horseshoe, Monday, 6 October 2014 22:00 (eleven years ago)

that sounds amazing. i should do it. but i don't have any male friends anymore! maybe i can title my screed "this is why we're no longer friends"

horseshoe, Monday, 6 October 2014 22:01 (eleven years ago)

There's a big difference between my male friends (none of whom are shitty; they would not be my friends if they did shitty things on the regular!) and men I know.

Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Monday, 6 October 2014 22:06 (eleven years ago)

5 clits sounds like a recipe for lack of fulfillment

― sarahell, Monday, October 6, 2014 8:26 PM (Yesterday)

or 5x the odds??

King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 00:17 (eleven years ago)

otoh it makes me think of this cronenbergian sex toy

King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 00:21 (eleven years ago)

On Amazon? LOL, oh yeah! I remember discovering you could buy sex toys on Amazon. They really do ridiculous mark ups at porn stores...

*tera, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 04:50 (eleven years ago)

i really do think that every conversation ive had, in real life and on the internet, in the past 10 days has included a man uptalking me or using my first name in a condescending way (actually, Emily), usually both

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:50 (eleven years ago)

Erykah Badu: C /D, S&D

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:54 (eleven years ago)

xp Argh, I got a version of that from a libertarian woman the other day, when I contradicted her on friend's FB. She was bigging up her gun ownership ("you'll need me and my gun when the shit hits the fan") as she told others that the correct response to poor Somalis asking for non-pork items at the local Twin Cities food shelf was 'shove a ham sandwich down their throats and bomb them back to ISIS'.

Fucking oxygen thief....

resting rich face (suzy), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:58 (eleven years ago)

i want to start a "shit men say" thread, starting with:

you're not actually surprised by that, are you?

and

you're smart enough to know ___

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 13:33 (eleven years ago)

lol I say those things. Clear case of laurelsplaining. Which might go a ways toward explaining why I don't notice men doing it to me.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 13:51 (eleven years ago)

i'm unfortunately acutely aware of condescending language
has made for lots of discomfort throughout the years

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 13:58 (eleven years ago)

totally!

i was just trying to think, if a woman says these things to me, how do i feel? but i can't remember it ever happening tbh

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 13:58 (eleven years ago)

it happens all the time!

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 14:00 (eleven years ago)

to me at least

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 14:02 (eleven years ago)


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