no boys allowed in the room!!!!

her room has great selection and good fitting tips, but the fit calculator tells me I'm a 36A ( I finally figured out that I'm a 36DD/E or 34F). none of the major sites had an accurate guide to measuring yourself. Seems that many bra sites use the outdated fitting instructions that involve adding numbers to your under bust measurement.

This site has a fit guide with good sizing instructions as well as fit tips. It is oriented to people with larger cup sizes generally:

http://breakoutbras.stores.yahoo.net/noname1.html

Thanks juliA! That article explained a lot about how I feel about my boob sitch. I really don't want to wear little girl "training" bras. I never got what we were training for anyway.

Beginner corsets for little girls were known as training corsets. This may be where the name came from.

For a long time, it was really, really hard to find DD bras in sizes smaller than 40. (I guess manufacturers thought that everyone DD or larger weighed 250+ pounds.) I'm glad that has changed. I'm 38DD, BTW.

xp - i'd guess that there were some girls that really looked forward to wearing bras and "becoming a woman" - i was not one of these, but i'm pretty sure we had that discussion way upthread.

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And in other news, my head is rinsed from writing 2000 words about a sexist D4v1d B4il3y photoshoot in 12 hours, without directly accusing DB of sexism.

(like button down shirts that fit your front but arent huge in the arms etc)

^^^^This is my number 1 pet peeve

i've got a largish front and big shoulders and arms, so i only have the problem of shirts being too tight and puckery all over or having sleeves so long i feel like i'm playing dress-up.

i don't have a bust problem but i do not like the drapey, sloppy fit of clothes in stores at this time, nor do i like the fact that no clothing manufacturer seems to know where my waist is. (hint: it is not in the middle of my ribs)

hahaa
tho tbh i am high-waisted so my waist almost is (but isn't)

i hate bras with padding, even tho i own a few, but their padding is thin and doesn't really deserve the name. i call them my winter bras.

yeah, i'm high waisted too, but i'll tell you what -- i've bought dresses with belts that, apparently, are supposed to ignore my actual waist and accentuate my mid-rib region. lazy design!

I wear button down shirts a lot (every day at work, for a start, and the nicer ones in the evening too) and it's really hard to even find any in high street clothes shops lately.

My #1 peeve is that I am pretty fattey and once you move up the sizings trousers seem to billow out in the lower back to a ridiculous extent while not being particularly roomy at the front or round the top of the thighs. Am I a weird shape or is this a thing for other people?

I definitely suffer fro the "if it fits in the butt, it's too big in the waist" problem, leading to the low back gap. Is that what you mean? I sew darts into the waist of pretty much everything.

are you referring to the above-the-butt pucker?

xp - yeah, jenny & i appear to have the same issue

whenever i see a woman with my same waist/ass proportions walking down the street wearing jeans that are flattering, i want to stop her and ask, "where did you get those jeans?"

you should do that!

Pretty much, yeah, but sometimes it can even be too tight in the front of the waist while providing enough "butt pucker" in the back waist to, you know, carry my shopping home in, etc

maybe that's what it's there for

i should, but i often feel self-conscious being a white chick and the women in question being African-American

do any of you know of any groups in your area or elsewhere that were specifically created to combat sexist police behavior?

most of the ones in my area are either focused on racism and queer issues

in the past couple of days it seems tons of bad things have happened to people i know that are totally inappropriate

for example, being pulled over because you vaguely resemble a local prostitute

i mean !!!

^this actually happened to a girl i know, and they actually said "vaguely"

i actually had a positive cop interaction last week, after this lying douchebag asshole attempted to cut me off from backing into a parking space across the street from the club where my friends' bands were playing, then accused me of damaging his SIXTEEN THOUSAND DOLLAR BMW WITH MY PIECE OF SHIT TOYOTA. There was no damage. I tried to be civil with the guy, but once he trotted out the word "bitch" - i gave up and walked away.

Area chapter of the National Lawyer's Guild might be a good place to start. ACLU might help. I def know of one (two maybe) local sex worker rights orgs and some community groups focused on police authority abuses in general.

omg this GIRLS ROCK!! documentary is killing me with cuteness

Following the sock discussions, I couldn't resist ordering some of the World's Softest Socks. Eagerly awaiting their arrival. Any recommendations for online stockists of good black opaque tights?

The best black tights I have ever had are Donna Karan matte jersey - I don't know if they're still made but I have some pairs that are eeeeeeasily 20 years old and appear to be bulletproof. In the meantime, try Tabio (Japanese, expensive) or the budgety British store New Look's 120 denier tights - a fashion editor I know who's tried both says 'better than Chanel'.

i get tights from dance supply stores - figuring they're pretty durable

There is that as well, beentheredonethatage15, but your standard Danskins are pretty scratchy.

hmm - i have not found danskins to be scratchy

I have a pair of Danskin fishnets that appear to be immortal but also have this footpad thing that loves to fuck with my toes. I have some black opaque tights that my sister bought me from Old Navy in 2000 that are still going strong but I have no idea if this is a fluke or not.

my oldest sister says the same thing about those DK matte jersey tights

What color tights should I wear with a denim skirt?

Any color! Depends more on your top in that case, although you can't go wrong with black.

The two tops I wear with this skirt are both black, and the shoes are black, too. I have a pair of fishnets that I got for that skirt that I haven't worn yet. (I'll post a picture whenever I get around to it.)

i'd say it depends on how you feel about your legs. Like wear bright colored tights if you feel like you have good legs; wear neutral/dark colors if you don't.

I do have nice legs, but I've always preferred dark/neutral tights.

I got the best purple tights recently and then I wore them to work and was stared at all day. They're strictly non-work tights now but they're still the best.

If yr tops are black, then tight color or pattern depends more on the skirt length. A bold color or pattern needs some space to work in. If skirt is long, the statement gets cramped. If u like yr legs, work the bold tights with a skirt somewhat above the knee.

Also, E, I'm very sad to hear abt your tights problem! I say, wear colored tights more often! then they'll stop talking. :)

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you still have a penis? you can't post here!

i remember wearing plum colored tights to a certain job and getting looks like i was a wild woman. i didn't realize this could ever be a "thing."

i really love what a denim miniskirt looks like over black tights w/ boots or chuck taylors + a white top and red lipstick, but this is the 90s punk girl in me i think

with any top, really

I have burnt orange, mustard yellow, and Smurf blue tights, and I wear them all to work. A few people raised their eyebrows or w/e but I don't see why not raising the eyebrows of a few conservative people should be my goal.

^^ ditto

patterned tights too, stripes (vertical), crocheted, you name it.

Today's are black knit, a bit like if cabling came in strange geometric patterns.

In addition to my archive supply of Donna Karan, I've got tons of grey and dove-grey tights from New Look, plus the better-than-Chanel black ones; hot pink 120 denier from Tabio, but prob won't buy tights from there again because the waist elasticity went in the gunmetal ones I have; an amazing Spandex pair I can't bear to throw from 99X in NYC, with a persimmon/grey/camel/cream/black rendering of a Hokusai-ish pattern, plus tons of dead stock Mary Quant white fishnet anklets - because they were in a dusty shop going for like 50p/pair, I walked off with £10 worth.

suzy, your tights collection sounds A+

The Hokusai tights are cool but for years I looked for large-pane harlequin pattern black and white, with no success (and no fucking jewel tones lest I resemble some random RenFester) intending to wear them with Westwood mini-crini and the jacket I'm wearing in my LOL College photos. Usually that outfit demanded black/white hoop tights and brothel creepers, LOL'80s

I really need to do a purge of MOR black tights with safe office-worker patterns and find a good source of whitegirl flesh fishnets w/black seam.

Also: ESM's 30th anniversary is next week and there's a massive party. OH DAER I NEED TO CALL IN A DRESS. If you could call any designer/shop and ask for something to borrow, it would be...?

wow