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my mom just said, "we've got a book about that somewhere, and uh, you can ask me if you don't understand anything"

sarahel, Friday, 24 September 2010 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I admit every couple months or so if me period isn't to-the-minute punctual I just do a pregnancy test. I keep a couple around for sanity's sake. $4 every couple months for not freaking out is worth it to me.

Mormons come out of the sky and they stand there (Abbbottt), Friday, 24 September 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Except I left a finished preg test sitting in the bathroom once and my husband saw it a few hours later after the results faded...I was gone until 11 p.m. that day & he spent the whole day thinking I'd left it out to say "lol u have babby now." Poor dude!

Mormons come out of the sky and they stand there (Abbbottt), Friday, 24 September 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! o man

I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Friday, 24 September 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link

omg ahahaha but also yeah, poor dude!

master of retardment (ENBB), Friday, 24 September 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link

How many times did you have to apologize for that one??

I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Friday, 24 September 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link

haha - makes me want to leave notes for random people i know that just say - "lol u have babby now!"

sarahel, Friday, 24 September 2010 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link

It was one of those situations where I was like "I see why many people enjoy having a cell phone now."

Mormons come out of the sky and they stand there (Abbbottt), Friday, 24 September 2010 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Isn't there a thread about movie plots that only worked pre-cellphones? Add to list.

I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Friday, 24 September 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh man, that is terrible and yet hilarious. Sorry!

And $4 every couple months for not freaking out is worth it to me is probably OTM, just gotta suppress the instinct which kicks in when I look at them in the shop and goes "but if I get the $30 one and not the $4 one it will be... better, somehow?"

capitalism has me right where it wants me I guess

patapon pataphysics (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 24 September 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Like you're at the shelf and you somehow think that if only you buy the expensive "electronic" one and not the pharmacy's cheapest own brand one it somehow translates into less pregnancy for you.

patapon pataphysics (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 24 September 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link

That's why I am glad I saw they have preg tests at the dollar store – if I am buying a two-pack of the K-Mart brand ones I can say to myself "at least they're not the ones from the dollar store" with a total sneer in my imaginary voice in my mind.

Mormons come out of the sky and they stand there (Abbbottt), Friday, 24 September 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah - they probably fine but $ store pregnancy tests just seem like a disaster waiting to happen

master of retardment (ENBB), Friday, 24 September 2010 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

I did one once and the screen on those actually says "lol u have a baby now"

peacocks, Friday, 24 September 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Man, I am investing my dollars in the wrong things.

Mormons come out of the sky and they stand there (Abbbottt), Friday, 24 September 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

A woman I went to law school with was preg and didn't know until her water broke. Honestly I kind of don't believe her because nine months before she had the baby she suspected she was pregnant AND got a positive pregnancy test, but the baby's fsther was uninterested in the issue and then she experienced some bleeding so I think she just decided it was a false alarm and spent the next nine months working on her denial skills.

Jenny, Friday, 24 September 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link

That is out of this world nuts.

peacocks, Friday, 24 September 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link

A girl in my sister's class who lived a block over from us had sex followed by denial followed by scary toilet birth - it was a huge o_0 scandal because the baby died. The girl's younger sister is one of my cousin's closest friends, so this is not some urban myth. Sister's classmate went for psych care for a couple of months but today, she's fine.

are you robot? (suzy), Friday, 24 September 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I think the denial thing happens most with young girls.

master of retardment (ENBB), Friday, 24 September 2010 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

i think my theoretical art project would involve mini-lcd screens that alternate between "lol u have babby now" and "scary toilet birth"

sarahel, Friday, 24 September 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link

"scary toilet birth" is what the $ store pregtest says when you aren't pregnant!

peacocks, Friday, 24 September 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link

xp And not licensed and practicing attorneys.

I have considerable sympathy for young women in that position, especially w/ so many states having parental notification laws and restricted access to abortion. It's terrifying to be in that situation and sometimes there doesn't seem to be any other option.

Jenny, Friday, 24 September 2010 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

lol xpost.

kate78, Friday, 24 September 2010 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

i think putting them in dollar stores would be kinda mean -- they'd have to go somewhere absurd -- like pet stores

sarahel, Friday, 24 September 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Probably the reason I'm a feminist is because another neighbour got pregnant at 14 and to terminate, had to represent herself as a mature minor in order to avoid parental notification. She succeeded and it made me totally pro-choice to the point where I'd counsel a teenager to just plain get rid, but this was on a backdrop of full-colour 'this is your fetus' leaflets handed out by 50-year-old men in the Reagan era.

are you robot? (suzy), Friday, 24 September 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I have considerable sympathy for young women in that position, especially w/ so many states having parental notification laws and restricted access to abortion. It's terrifying to be in that situation and sometimes there doesn't seem to be any other option.

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Yes, exactly.

master of retardment (ENBB), Friday, 24 September 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link

guys theres a bitchin iphone app and website called epocrates where you can look up pills buy name, shape, color, imprints etc. it crazy. anyway you can check drug interactions there.

I saw him in convulsive throws I said "I'll have one of those" (sunny successor), Friday, 24 September 2010 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link

havent been on this thread in a while (omg @ christine upthread)

hoos wears orange camo pants ffs (roxymuzak), Monday, 27 September 2010 03:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmm...Which part?

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 27 September 2010 04:28 (fourteen years ago) link

ever get the feeling you've been cheated

hoos wears orange camo pants ffs (roxymuzak), Friday, 1 October 2010 08:15 (fourteen years ago) link

I feel like their message is undermined by presenting themselves as sexualized in a male gaze-approved kind of way, but I always feel that way about this kind of thing because I've got a stodgy second wave streak a mile wide.

Regular Stormy (Jenny), Friday, 1 October 2010 13:03 (fourteen years ago) link

With ya. I'm happy for you if you feel powerful, womanly, have a sense of claiming territory, etc with yr shirt off or whatever, but I still veer between "It would be a greater loss to let someone else's opinion override your right to feel that way" and "How powerful can it be when you're playing right into their hands?"

I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Friday, 1 October 2010 13:40 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah see for some reason i think this woman is a total hero
but i kind of don't see anything wrong with toplessness; i just wish it were an equal opportunity endeavor
i also have the kind of chest people don't tend to stare at

The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Friday, 1 October 2010 13:50 (fourteen years ago) link

she's holding up a sign that says she will CUT THEIR BALLS OFF
that's pretty fierce

The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Friday, 1 October 2010 13:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Which she'll never actually do because it would be assault and also honestly she probably wouldn't win a physical confrontation. Whereas men WILL harass her for being shirtless, don't you think?

Actually -- this is so layered, I can agree with you but there's a price... I think she's a hero in that she looks fierce and iconic in an "images of the feminine" way and absolutely resolute -- and if she's willing to bear the burden of the disconnect between how the world should be and how the world is, that's her personal undertaking and I wish her strength and cheer and beauty to balance things out.

I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Friday, 1 October 2010 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link

you put it better than i could have, but yes -- i agree. i have a tendency to live in that disconnected zone so i guess it's not surprising that i would applaud her.

The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Friday, 1 October 2010 14:07 (fourteen years ago) link

I have no problem with toplessness qua toplessness at all but you can't look at this in a vacuum. She does look fierce but exactly in the way that male comic book artists draw women as fierce, right down to the in-your-face sexualization. I might feel a little more impressed if she didn't land smack dab in the middle of acceptable beauty standard and stood around with her boobs out holding a sign, too. Basically I applaud her message and her fierceness but I feel like the fact that she looks and acts lime what dudes wish feminists looked and acted like (sexy, fierce lady warriors) dilutes the radicalness of her act.

I'm looking at this from an American perspective, though, which is not entirely fair to the woman's intent but I think still works for the purposes of this discussion.

xp pretty much what Laurel said. I definitely don't live in that disconnect, for a lot of reasons.

Regular Stormy (Jenny), Friday, 1 October 2010 14:14 (fourteen years ago) link

she can't help what she looks like and whether or not she's attractive
it's the spirit of what she's doing that i like

The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Friday, 1 October 2010 14:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd be interested what men actually DO in that sitch, tbh. You know, I was imagining the worst, some kind of hooting circle that would stay a little way back and enjoy the show, or random outbursts of anger because she's acting against the status quo...but it's also likely that they just put their heads down, tried not to look, and went about their business feeling intruded upon. Which is honestly hilarious. Because that's what they expect women to do, isn't it.

I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Friday, 1 October 2010 14:19 (fourteen years ago) link

No, but it does matter that she's attractive, because that's the territory that harassers are trying to claim. If she weren't conventionally attractive, she'd represent territory that men are told they shouldn't WANT to claim because it would reflect poorly on THEM if their desires were out of line with the norm. Which is a whole other thing....

I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Friday, 1 October 2010 14:22 (fourteen years ago) link

it sounds like from the article that there were a group of women doing this, or am i misreading?

sarahel, Friday, 1 October 2010 14:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah but I didn't say it didn't matter; I said she can't help it.

The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Friday, 1 October 2010 14:23 (fourteen years ago) link

That's true, and you're right. Maybe they only chose to photo her for the paper for that reason? There are too many filters here with too many different agendas/bodies of influences to really grasp. So maybe it's better just to admire the spirit of the thing. :)

I've got ten bucks. SURPRISE ME. (Laurel), Friday, 1 October 2010 14:26 (fourteen years ago) link

i just think the dynamics of it being a group action are different than were it the action of a sole individual

sarahel, Friday, 1 October 2010 14:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I know she can't help it. I'm not holding that against her nor do I think it means her convictions are weak or anything but I think it weakens the gesture as activism. That's all.

Though sarahel has a good point abt group dynamics and whether this one woman who fits so well what we want a fierce sexy warrior woman to look like was pictured in the paper for that very reason.

Regular Stormy (Jenny), Friday, 1 October 2010 14:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I was going to revive this thread yesterday to ask about hair dryer diffuser attachments but never got around to it. I like this conversation better. :)

Regular Stormy (Jenny), Friday, 1 October 2010 14:33 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm trying to figure out exactly what the gesture is? Is it "look don't touch"?

sarahel, Friday, 1 October 2010 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I was referring to the toplessness specifically not the overall protest against being fucked up on public transit.

Summary: being smoking hot, thin, young, and perky while topless in public does not feel that radical because that's kind of what dominant cultural narratives claim young, thin, etc. woman are best suited for. American POV disclaimer.

Regular Stormy (Jenny), Friday, 1 October 2010 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Fucked WITH not fucked up. Different issue totally.

Regular Stormy (Jenny), Friday, 1 October 2010 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link


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