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in my experience calling a girl annoying is guy for "im gonna try and fuck that chick". its an instant break up in my book.

-- sunny successor, Wednesday, March 5, 2008 1:47 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

and what, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 19:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

this is for comments where you dont want to get all BIG HOOS on the thread

and what, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 20:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

ha otm i never realized this before, but it just snaps a whole bunch of experiences into proper perspective!

horseshoe, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 20:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

but i did get all BIG HOOS on the thread.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 20:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

what's the psych behind this? is it like the guy's putting the blame on the "annoying" chick because he can't deal with his being attracted to her?* or are annoying chicks just really hot?

*sorta like calling a woman a slut because she slept with you you slept with her?

get bent, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

ive done this before and i think its partially a defense mechanism when you think you wanna get with a girl but shes, you know, annoying

and what, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

most times ive hated on some random chick to a girl i was dating what i really was thinking was man id hit that

and what, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

i think it's like, before the fact, "annoying" is an epithet of self-protection from the knowledge that he wants to sleep with her? but maybe a guy should answer this question. or sunny, because she's smart.

xposts

horseshoe, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah thats basically it, you're pushing that last sliver of distaste to mask whats really going on

and what, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

there was an episode of "my so-called life" like this once, where angela's dad was going to open a restaurant with an "annoying" female friend and they got all hot and heavy during an argt

get bent, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

sometimes annoyingness is attractive when you realize what the one thing is that would shut her up

sanskrit, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

*trying desperately to remember the last girl I called "annoying".

SUNNY, HONEY, I SWEAR UP AND DOWN TO YOU THAT I DON'T WANT TO FUCK THE WATSON'S GIRL. HONEST TO GOD.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

see: Calvin, Suzy

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

or are annoying chicks just really hot?

okay, now i'm thinking maybe there's something to this? Ethan?

xposts

horseshoe, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

i think it's a way to get away with looking at the girl and acknowledging her in front of your gf, but doing it in a manner that would suggest "man i would never go for her". like when you say, "man look at her hat, how lame" you're thinking "but damn, the rest of her!!~"

omar little, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

oh never mind it's just romcom shit. thanks, Tom!

xpost curiouser and curiouser!

horseshoe, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

okay, boys of the world, i prefer ignorance!

horseshoe, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

I prefer mean to annoying

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

I met my current crush and she just starting cutting me apart and challenging all the bullshit I was spouting. It was awesome.

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

i think it goes something like "she is annoying" = "i couldn't date her" = "but would totally sleep with her".

Jordan, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

I prefer mean

a lot of guys from my generation still have riot grrrl self-flagellation/masochist fantasy baggage. it's cute (and sad) when they quote kathleen hanna lyrics.

get bent, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

The classic Moonlighting scenario: VI Warchawski is intolerable for what are actually fickle reasons and really it's just us Corbin Dallas Multipasses being confused by pheromones and slamming doors.

nickalicious, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 21:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

or are annoying chicks just really hot?

this is pretty much true (well, hot chicks are annoying anyway), there is this thing where hot chicks think they are endlessly fascinating bcz nobody ever tells them to stfu~

also a steadfast rule abt ppl is that the more worked up abt something they are, the more they are prob overcompensating for something. the more a dude talks shit about a broad, the more he wants to bang her until her freckles fall off. she's probably still hell of annoying tho~

cankles, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

there is this thing where hot chicks think they are endlessly fascinating bcz nobody ever tells them to stfu~

-- cankles, Wednesday, March 5, 2008 2:06 PM (1 minute ago)

^^truth bomb

get bent, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

also, here is a free tip for dudes - when in the presence of ur gf, always go out of ur way to praise the looks of girls who resemble her. and pretend to be repulsed by girls who are a different type from her. REVERZE SYCOHOLYGY!!!!

cankles, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

jhoshea started a thread that tended toward that point on ILE.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

xxp "Did he just talk to me like I'm ugly?"

Kerm, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

ha!

girls girls hate when u think theyre hot / girls girls love when u think theyre hot

mariah carey / cate blanchett

-- jhøshea, Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:51 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

Their attractive friends/their not so attractive friends.

-- chap, Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:53 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

thread could've ended here.

cankles, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

watson's girl: would smash

gff, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

no shame

gff, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

the Neil Strauss school of date rape has a special term for the act of making negative comments to hot chicks. thankfully I don't remember what it was (my anthropological curiousity with that particular internet subculture was happily short-lived)

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

(World of Warcraft racketeering is way more forward-looking)

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'm pretty sure the term is "a neg"

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

posting jessica alba was the most otm thing in that thread - any girl who doesnt like jessica alba is a shrieking jealous harpy, ditto beyonce

[20:31] me: there's nothing better btw
[20:31] me: than girls who talk shit bout alba, explaining that she's a "bad actress"
[20:31] me: uhhhhh
[20:31] andrew: ahahahaha ya
[20:31] andrew: AHAHAHAAH YAAAA
[20:31] andrew: ginny does that
[20:32] andrew: i am like get real lil dumpkoff
[13:12] andrew: the aptitude of jessica alba at her chosen career has very little to do with my desire to lay atop her, panting and sweating
[13:13] me: beads of sweat plopping onto her forehead, look of horror frozen on her face
[13:14] andrew: lol i see we have had similar sexual histories~
[20:32] andrew: hatred stems from jealous thoughts
[20:33] me: girls just want an angel such as alba to be some degraded ass dog like tara reid or somethin
[20:33] andrew: jessica alba isn't even the hottest chick to me so it's even more lol that chixx hate her so bad
[20:33] andrew: it's like being like I HATE THE BEST BOXER IN THE WORLD ::fights andrew golota::

cankles, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

the Neil Strauss school of date rape has a special term for the act of making negative comments to hot chicks. thankfully I don't remember what it was (my anthropological curiousity with that particular internet subculture was happily short-lived)

-- El Tomboto

ugh i have a friend who totally buys into this game shit

omar little, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'm like "bro you're creeping out all the ladies with the laying on of hands stuff"

omar little, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

"anthropological curiousity" surrrrrre

latebloomer, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

j/k

latebloomer, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

is that andrew bubbles? XD

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

lmao yeah

cankles, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ilovetowatch/images/mystery.jpg
-_-

sleep, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

who does that shit work on?

latebloomer, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 22:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com/

Kerm, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 23:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

where are the hot chicks?

chicago kevin, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 23:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

your choices are them or suicidegirls.com i think

deej, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 23:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

God bless the goddamn Onion

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 23:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

i find that game shit totes repulsive but on a couple different occasions guys who were kinda of dorky and laking in self-confidence told me it really helped them out just to realize that they could have some sort of game at all and i was kinda awww ok fine

jhøshea, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 23:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

i dunno, there's the other side which is exemplified by my otherwise cool friend. it was at a point where he had to "run game" on any semi-attractive girl around. it usually involved "showing them something" by "touching their hands".

omar little, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 23:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

lol is that game lingo gross

jhøshea, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 23:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

haha my friend actually played that "says one thing, means another" shit w/r/t "the game" because he commented on how this one guy we both knew was always trying to pick up girls and how lame it was, then suddenly he's trying to seduce girls by showing them how he uses his hands in martial arts and how he's learned some massage techniques and "here let me show you this one thing" (takes girl's hand)

omar little, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 23:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

xp

In the end, the chartering body of this school didn't really have the professional skills or educational leadership necessary to run a school. they had a lot of trouble with programming the schedule and with budget, and they had trouble attracting good teachers. they lost their accreditation and the school unfortunately folded within a few years of opening.

so in the end, no i don't think it was a good thing. but i don't think it was a good thing for pragmatic reasons - the kids didn't get a good education! - rather than ideological ones.

the late great, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

school integration is generally a good thing bc it establishes national cohesion but it's not an unambiguously good thing and has been a vehicle for eliminating group difference and promoting assimilation into mainstream cultural norms. not all parents from all kinds of walks of life want that for their children and the future of their community.

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

sarahell, I am not, but Oliver Brown was

Dan I., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The argument that minorities prefer segregation does not resonate with me, personally

the argument that minorities do anything as a group doesn't resonate with me (speaking as a non-white, or at least a non-european)

but this particular group of people seized democracy by the reins and did what they wanted with their taxpayer dollars. is that a terribly bad thing? i don't know.

the late great, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it also makes me think of schools in places that have like "abstinence-only sex ed" and other fucked up conservative political policies that because public education is part of government, the politics of the rulers get integrated into the curriculum -- I guess I should consider myself lucky that growing up all we had to deal with is saluting the flag, agreeing that drug use was bad, cops were good, and responding promptly to bells like the future factory workers of America.

sarahell, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Okay, but it wasn't theirs. It was "the public's". and whether the education was better or worse, or whether kids got to stay safely ensconced in the culture of their parents or not is kind of beside the point. It's unconstitutional.

Dan I., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

("theirs" == somali parents' tax dollars)

Dan I., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

and who is "the public"?

sarahell, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

idk does this now deserve a thread or is each of these posts proferred as tbomb or

old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i ... must have missed that part of the constitution

the late great, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

whether the education was better or worse ... is kind of beside the point

!!!

the late great, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

u missed the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment?

Dan I., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i blame the schools

old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

afaik charter schools cannot deny students on the basis of race am i wrong?

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

well its an anagram of racehate so

old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah man, it is beside the point, the same exact way that it's beside the point that the education is absolutely stellar at the local 95% white "classical academy"

Dan I., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i don't think it's the same exact way

sarahell, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It's literally the same way that it doesn't matter whether "separate but equal" schools were actually equal!

Dan I., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

kinda feel like issues about privilege and equity that are mostly agreed upon in other contexts are being ignored here

sarahell, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

chin stroke emoji

Dan I., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

my understanding is that unlike a segregated school, nobody is being forced to go to a charter

the late great, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It's literally the same way that it doesn't matter whether "separate but equal" schools were actually equal!

and after integration, one of the things that happened was "tracking" -- which regularly ended up segregating the students of color into remedial classes

sarahell, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

tracking existed before school integration, but it made for a perfect vehicle for racism

sarahell, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i think if there are charter schools that racially discriminate then the state should intervene. if they are "encouraging" de facto segregation by appealing more to some groups than others and thereby creating class compositions that are weighted towards one ethnic group or another, i don't see that as a problem.

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

well, I'm still at work, so with a heavy heart I bid y'all and the myriad challops you're dropping in the truth bombs thread adieu

Dan I., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

afaik charter schools cannot deny students on the basis of race am i wrong?

― Mordy, Wednesday, November 28, 2018 4:59 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are you asking this in good faith? you and i have talked about this quite a bit on other threads. it's sort of grand secondary gain of the entire urban charter school movement, and also the, silicon valley, uh, "school reform" edvestors.

remy bean, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it's a bit uneven, but the first part is really great -- he has a great anecdote about the Direct Action Network being given a car as a donation and how anarchist/radical org structures are challenged by things like that

― sarahell, Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:47 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ah yeah i def read this specific excerpt somewhere

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Since their inception, a defining characteristic of charter schools has been their tendency to serve highly racially concentrated student bodies. For example, national attendance data gathered during the 2014-2015 school year showed that 54 percent of charters in the United States were nonwhite segregated and 12 percent were predominantly white.69

this is from the stancil piece- i'm not sure that it's obvious what someone should read out of this information tbph.

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

remy i remember discussing charter schools here on ilx before but if you think we reached some kind of consensus between us about the racial discrimination policies of charter schools i def don't remember that. maybe u can link me to the other discussion tho i'm happy to reread if i'm forgetting something.

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i'm interested in his understanding of the data bc he seems to be arguing that charter schools mostly exist for white parents to take their white kids out of public schools and send them to charter schools instead and afaiui that is not substantiated by the demographic information tho maybe tlg can speak better to this

I don't know if charter schools are the same as free schools in the UK, sorry England, but that's pretty much what free schools are for here - I suppose more accurately they're for white middle class parents to take their kids out of state schools where there are too many kids from poor or ethnic minority backgrounds, often the same thing in London.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

look at the quote i just posted tho. does that support a narrative that charter schools exist for white parents to put their kids in?

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

... without the expense of having their children go to private schools. (xp)

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Tom D - yep, it's very similar

sarahell, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

fair enough, mordy. i searched for the thead but i can't find it. i know it was about the 2016 ballot measure question in massachusetts. for those interested:

this is nearly ten years old, and still holds water: https://www.civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/research/k-12-education/integration-and-diversity/choice-without-equity-2009-report
this is from the brookings institution (of all places!) and summarizes more recent observations https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2017/12/11/how-charter-schools-are-prolonging-segregation/
and this is the union line: http://neatoday.org/2018/05/04/racial-segregation-in-charter-schools/

remy bean, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i think of myself as a pragmatic anarchist (though sometimes the pragmatist wins out -- ) so it's an issue, of how to set up a system where people have agency to resist oppressive structures without allowing rich and powerful douchebags to take advantage of the system for their douchey ends.

sarahell, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The fact that, over here, the supporters of the free school system tend to be hideous right wing ideologues is a bit of a clue.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

*sigh* yeah ... we have a similar issue w/r/t live/work housing.

sarahell, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

just to be clear -- i think the quote above suggests that charter schools mostly exist to serve nonwhite communities. compared to the 12 percent of predominately white charter schools "30 percent of traditional schools were predominantly white"

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

remy from that neatoday article: "While only 4 percent of traditional public schools have student bodies that are 99 percent minority (2014-15 school year data), 17 percent of charter schools are 99 percent minority. Furthermore, of the 6,747 charter schools in the country, more than 1,000 had minority enrollment of at least 99 percent." bc we're talking about charter schools we're talking about segregation of nonwhite student populations by choice. this is hardly the same thing as white segregation to "protect" white kids from minorities.

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Should we do the same thing with waiting rooms and water fountains if people are opting in?

remy bean, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

im kind of ok about segregation on group basis from non-majority populations (i mean i personally went to a state catholic school in scotland, where the introduction of such schools in the early 20th century was vehemently opposed by political protestantism with the slogan "No Rome on the rates!") but the other forms of "social selectivity" which in some cases comes along with the free or charter school model as it exists in Sweden, England and the U.S. is pretty sus' imo

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 23:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

For real –– I don't mean to be zingy. But, I mean,. urban public schools often suck and are unfair and ESPECIALLY terrible at teaching non-white students. And they're actually trying to fix things. Even if it's bureaucratically difficult. Unhappy, nad aware of these issues, parents of non-white students respond to enticements to bring their students to charters that frequently practice extreme discipline practices, skirt teaching regulations, exploit their labor force and chronically underserve students needing special education. Often these schools are white-owned, for-profit entities. At best this is a profiteering dodge of the real issue; at worst it's resegregation.

remy bean, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 23:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Should we do the same thing with waiting rooms and water fountains if people are opting in?

i'm sure there are waiting rooms and water fountains with extremely segregated clienteles and i don't believe we should forcibly desegregate them

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 23:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"this water fountain in a 99% black community is used 99% by black water drinkers and is reifying segregation we must bus in white water drinkers and bus out black water drinkers to other water fountains to achieve equality" i mean c'mon

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 23:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

You realize this an argument in favor of Jim Crow laws, right?

remy bean, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 23:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

no it really isn't related at all

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 23:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Wish this was all in a different thread at this point

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 23:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

truth bungs

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 23:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Charter schools in the United States

made yall a thread

21st savagery fox (m bison), Thursday, 29 November 2018 01:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

very US Politics-centric but:

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Never believe a sentence that contains the words "Schumer" and "insist."

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