MUSIC CRITCS ARE THE ART OF PRETEND FORGETFULLNESS

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thanks, tofu! if you don't hear from me tomorrow -- i'm forgetful sometimes -- call me.

-- fact checking cuz (factcheckingcu...), June 6th, 2005 10:13 PM.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 6 June 2005 04:21 (eighteen years ago) link

is it weird that as soon as chuck eddy recommends something (like frank kogan's book), i lose interest in it?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

anyone who listens to as many records as Chuck eddy or christgau or others isn't someone whose opinion I take seriously.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 6 June 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"is it weird that as soon as chuck eddy recommends something (like frank kogan's book), i lose interest in it?"

itz not weird too me. yoo hate chuck for some reason.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 June 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Frank writes some longass posts on ILM.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 6 June 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't hate chuck, i just hate the idea of a psuedo-respected 40something music editor/writer with the rhetorical skills of an ADHD 12-year-old.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

okay, so you hate the "idea" of chuck or what you think he is or represents. not the actual person. is that like loving the sinner and hating the sin?

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

And I'm funnier and SEXIER. xpost

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

you jest, jon, but the evidence is there:

http://w1.1361.telia.com/~u136100018/mr.cool.jpg

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

and what's with the "pseudo-respected"? i respect him. plenty of people do. yer projecting. sorry for picking on yer original post. it just seemed like one of the LEAST weird things i could think of.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

no, i was being an idiot and fishing i guess.

but i was surprised at how definitive was my reaction.

"psuedo-respected" is a cryptic way of saying that a few people on ilm come rattling to his defense when he's in an argument, in a vitriolic way that strikes me as strange... but i don't get the sense that he's known or respected very far outside of rock-crit circles. i guess that means "somewhat respected" rather than the vague and condescending "psuedo-respected."

whatever.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i guess the thing is, chuck's way of talking about music (and appreciating it) (i mean "chuck the public persona"--i don't know how chuck actually spends his time or thinks about music in private) seems so narrow and ridiculous to me, like a geir hongro-type thing, and yet he's assumed this position of some influence and stature. that does rile me.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

...in the same way that, say, a really bad editorialist like bob herbert writing for the NYT riles me. although herbert's not the best example....

sorry for the flurry of posts. i feel bad about the obnoxiousness of my first two posts so i guess i felt i owed some explanation, even if i just dig a deeper hole for myself in some eyes.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i think you must respect him somewhat or you wouldn't have spent so much time battling him in the past. if he were just some dood posting on a messageboard you probably wouldn't have tried so hard to refute his every move.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

"and yet he's assumed this position of some influence and stature. that does rile me."

ask him sometime what he thinks of his "stature". i swear to god you think about it more then he does. and you bring that attitude into arguments with him instead of just arguing.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

why do you think bob herbert is bad? he's way better than dave brooks or maureen dowd or tom friedman...

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, he wasn't the best example.

i'm not saying chuck goes on about his stature, indeed he seems deliberately to seek to deflate that sort of thing. it's just that i think there a lot of people (a LOT of critics, including some i don't even like much as writers) who could do a lot more with the village voice music pages.... it seems like a missed opportunity to me.

i probably should exit this argument now because i'm feeling sort of bad about it.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

haters hate

miccio (miccio), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

chumps who get paychecks celebrate

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

"chumps who get paychecks"

miccio (miccio), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

BACK BACK BACK TO YOUR ALT WEEKLIES!!! BEGONE FROM HERE!!!!!

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link

not very big paychecks, i should add

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

hstencil you have a blog

miccio (miccio), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

yes i do, chuck likes to link to it on the village voice site without giving me compensation or credit.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

so you're a chump without a paycheck

miccio (miccio), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

....


He did it all for the nookie.

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm at work now, doof.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

so you're a chump without a paycheck

http://sandbox.pair.com/images/ohsnap.gif

i don't know anymore (deangulberry), Monday, 6 June 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i still dont know why c.eddy posts to ilx, i thought he had miccio to do that for him? if he is going to post directly, then i am somewhat uncertain as to the point of miccio, unless it is to reinforce the eddy line

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 6 June 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

he doesn't like good charlotte

miccio (miccio), Monday, 6 June 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

i still dont know why c.eddy posts to ilx, i thought he had miccio to do that for him? if he is going to post directly, then i am somewhat uncertain as to the point of miccio, unless it is to reinforce the eddy line


http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stephenbalchin/dastpic.gif

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Monday, 6 June 2005 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

that's unfair to miccio. at any rate, miccio is way more sympathetic to alt-rock/indie-rock than chuck is.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

who cares who's sympathetic to what now anyway? sheesh, so unimportant.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Mr.Klosterman, whose THIRD book I'm currently finishing, "Killing Yourself to Live

i really really enjoyed this one. turns out this chuck is a novelist. who knew?

-- fact checking cuz (factcheckingcu...) (webmail), June 7th, 2005 3:01 PM. (fcc) (link)

it's not a novel, though. more like an extended remix of the SPIN piece on rock death sites.
-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...) (webmail), June 8th, 2005 5:08 PM. (M Matos) (link)

IF YOOOOOOOOOOU DON'T LIKE IT
HIT THA' ROAD 'CUZ I JUS-JUS-JUS DON'T CAAAAAAAAARE!
-- donut debonair (do...) (webmail), June 8th, 2005 5:16 PM. (donut) (link)

(x-post)
it's totally a novel. it's a fictionalized memoir of the road trip he undertook for that spin piece, and if it's "about" anything, it's about himself and a trio of girlfriends. it's not, and it's not trying to be, a piece of journalism. it's not, and it's not trying to be, a work of non-fiction. it's a novel starring a guy named chuck who has shared a lot of experiences with the guy who wrote the book.
-- fact checking cuz (factcheckingcu...) (webmail), June 8th, 2005 5:32 PM. (fcc) (link)

OK, I'd been told otherwise.
-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...) (webmail), June 8th, 2005 6:06 PM. (M Matos) (link)

or at least remember being told otherwise, so it's down to faulty memory
-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...) (webmail), June 8th, 2005 6:07 PM. (M Matos) (link)

rett bratner (deangulberry), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 00:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I was waiting for that

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 00:16 (eighteen years ago) link

for what?

rett bratner (deangulberry), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 00:16 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, guess

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

i might not know what you're talking about
i can't be certain

rett bratner (deangulberry), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 00:18 (eighteen years ago) link

of course you can't

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

So which music critics are those two, Gear?

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 01:07 (eighteen years ago) link

who cares who's sympathetic to what now anyway? sheesh, so unimportant.

I'M JUST SAYING, MICCIO AND CHUCK = DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:08 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
he pioneered tape loops (or something, i used to know a whole bunch of this stuff but lost it in favor of andrew wk lyrics)
-- gygax! (gygax0...), September 20th, 2003 6:56 PM. (gygax!)

yeah, yeah, you're not a music critic, blah blah

The Amazing Jaxon! (jaxon), Thursday, 30 June 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

haha, who was that in reference to?

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 30 June 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Les Paul?

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 30 June 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah! it's a funny quote.

The Amazing Jaxon! (jaxon), Thursday, 30 June 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I read his autobio about 10-15 years ago after inheriting a ton of LPs from my grandmother. I may still have it if you're interested.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 30 June 2005 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link


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