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I'm hesitant to rely on this tired old meme, but surely if anyone else had done this, jaymc would have known about it, therefore it must be he himself what done it. It's like The Paradox Of The Barbers' Haircuts, sort of.

-- Redd Scharlach (louder...), March 2nd, 2006.

forget aesthetics when it comes to the new U2 corporate boys on the block

boycott Metallica, who pre-empted a proper assessment of Napster for their own copyright protection reasons (just so lame out-takes might not be heard for the truth about the band they represented)

Metallica, in defending their rights in oh-so-American capitalist crunch deserve the perpetual gypsy curse from everybody with half an eye for an argument that is not just Metallica-black

deliver that curse -- do not buy these people's records -- do not play them in your house -- tell your friends

tough guys, rockers, nah, corporate pawns who like to wear shiny black clothes -- you participate in Metallica and that makes you pawn g-zillion -- "listens to Metallica" = "non-thinking loser"

debate of any merits that Metallica might have here plays into the bands hand and promotes them further -- forget about them -- renounce this thread -- spit on their grave

-- George Gosset (ggosse...), January 13th, 2002.

Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:08 (sixteen years ago) link

WHAT

Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:09 (sixteen years ago) link

has george gosset even posted since 2002?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Probably not, but time has not yet blessed me with the faculties to comprehend him.

Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link

i think Marcello is really off on some agenda of his own here, and i particularly like what dog latin said in simply identifying what seems to be a complete red herring, and an excuse for people to demonstrate their exhaustive knowledge, however culturally insignificant, of household musicians who it seems they are still quite intimately familiar with, even if seemingly only for the purposes of argument

i think the qn. posed is really quite simple : what's comparable to the "influence" of the beatles, bowie and aretha these days. so, what does "influence" mean (for the purposes of this discussion, not some journo-hack cliqué).
ok, a lot of what happened in the '60s and the '70s happened largely concurrently, and it's surely a matter of opinion as to the how much bowie, beatles and aretha (the bba ?) were wagging the dog with respect to all the social reorganisations happening within those two decades or vice versa. yet clearly these musicians were an enormous part of the new cultural directions for young and not-so-young people, even if bba might have been riding those chchanges.

but that's all a moot point to me. isn't this thread about fingering musicians with similarly jesus-like charisma or resonance, with(pseudo) political fan bases today?
ie who are they today who could be compared to those bba musicians who seemingly went against the traditional music industry practises of the times, the recieved wisdom, the straight options, and still gave people the feeling that they (the fans) were part of a new direction or whose fans might have felt (however consumiserably) that that music formed part of their overall political conscience.

isn't this thread simply asking: who are those musicians whom, however cynically, form part of the changing cultural/ political climate, if that still happens ? (surely a far more important qn than the yesterdays old rope of "if that ever did happen")

-- george gosset (ggosse...), October 16th, 2003.

Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:13 (sixteen years ago) link

what thread is Ken talking about me on?

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link

The gay one.

Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:22 (sixteen years ago) link

oh wait never mind I found it

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:22 (sixteen years ago) link

The graffiti thread

What adam said

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:22 (sixteen years ago) link

george g is awesome! he's like the moody dave q!

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

i vote for tuomas

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

mark grout owns this thread

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

but...The Paradox Of The Barber's Haircuts!


You guys!

Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Tuomas the Hip Hop Finn

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Chuck "Psychedelic" is a word used too often, but if you're into that Joe South, album for inst, you might wanta try THE LINK WRAY RUMBLE, from the mid-70s, on Epic (which I don't think exists anymore, and he's got others with RUMBLE in the title, that being where the rep as grandaddy of psych and metal comes from, the only instrumental I've ever head of being banned from the radio. Was thought to be the anthem of gang fights, as well it might have been). On this particular labum, he mixed his own rockabilly-blues-country-proto-psych-metal/psych thing with compatible approaches of mid-70s, with amzing results:"Country Boy", dedicated to Duane Allman, sounds like early/mid-70s Van Morrison, then at the top of his game, with solso by Duane; "Goodtime Joe" sounds kinda betwen Van and Joe South, the way Link sings the verses (riffs underbeath like mid-60s, Pete Townsend, who *did* write the liner notes, but not this song), then the solo kinda drones and keens and wraps its garrrison belt around my ankles, appropriately so(bout an old vet who needs some wine, real bad). "Backwoods Preacher Man" is I think written by Tony Joe White, and Link (acoustic, for once)and sings the shit out of it (he never just imitates, in fact he sings this album the way he sings 'em all, but always seesm to fit with younger people's stuff, so maybe he inspired 'em all). Doug Sahm did all styles with a non-standard mynd, and kind of erratic like some of Link's), but yeah MENDECINO, THE RETURN OF DOUG SALDANA TOGETHER AFTER FIVE, ROUGH EDGES, (and various more recent comps, like BEST OF THE ATLANTIC YEARS, which includes stuff, released and unreleased from his attempted supergroup LP, DOUG SAHM & BAND, but all that sounds a lot better here than before). Eddie Hinton has a wildass voice like Doug's, if not more so, but was a Muscle Shoals staff-writer-arranger-composer-muso, so more conssitently focussed than Doug, at least on DEAR YALL (THE SONGWRITING SESSIONS VOL.II)(blanking on VOL I's main title, but it's good too). Also got Tony Joe rhythm and, as he said himself, "Curtis Mayfield licks." Neko Case's albums are atmospheric as hell (listen on headphones), and got aforementioned Sadies, etc. backing her up. her frequent tour-partner Kelly Hogan's like that too, maybe not quite so cosmic (Neko can get a bit closer to Nico, enigmatic-lyrics-wise)If you don't like the noodly Dead, but I think you did like AMERICAN BEAUTY? Try the folkie-but-potent RECKONING and WORKING MAN'S DEAD, which does involve elctricity but sounds pretty ghost town (folkie in that sense)
-- Don A (dmxz...), October 4th, 2004 3:48 PM.

There's a really good Pete Cosey feature in the Summer 2004 issue of Signal To Noise (don't know if it's still on newsstands, if it ever was, but see signaltonoisemagazine.org). He's got a new group, Children of Aghartha, with at least one other Miles vet, Gary Bartz, plus Melvin Gibbs, DJ Johnny Juice, and others. They've been playing in NYC, and Cosey's recorded that (also mentioned in passing to another reviewer that he had recorded all shows with Miles, and sometimes pulled the tapes out from under the bed when he couldn't sleep!). Cosey and other E.MUD cats have a reunion of sorts (behind Chuck D.) on the soundtrack of FATHERS AND SONS, the Chicago chapeter of the recent PBS MARTIN SCORCESE PRESENTS THE BLUES. Cosey's also on Greg Tate's group Burnt Sugar's new THE RITES, a psychedelicized meltdown of "The Rites of Spring." See xgau's recent vice.com on that 'un; having heard some previous Sugar, I don't fell Burnt, but *do* know just what he means about their need for editing. Still, I'm sure I'll get it (soon). How much money you got? I'd say check everything with George Clinton's name on it , esp. recent SIX DEGREES, which includes rarities, sounding better than ever, ditto most recent re-re-mastering of ONE NATION and other Funkadelics (altho' the ELECTRIC SPANKING re sounds odd, but I should check on headphones except I sold it damn). Ditto most anything by Sonny Sharrock except LIVE IN NEW YORK (unless it's real cheap), and with the underground supergroup Last Exit, and on JACK JOHNSON (he only gets credit, plus more mic time! on THE COMPLETE J J, but the orig disc is still the essential). His stuff can get really hairyassed: I love it, oyou might not, look for ASK THE AGES, HIGHLIFE, SEIZE THE RAINBOW, GUITAR hell look for it all. James Blod Ulmer's BLACK ROCK, ODYSSEY (also the sequel to that, billed as "Odyssey The Band"; can't rember title but they only got one), but really start with his two most recent, produced and played on by Vernon Reid (speaking of Vernon Reid! Kinda not that big on L. Color or even Yohimbe Bros but again need to check headphones. haven't heard Masque.) JOhn Mclauglin's DEVOTION with Buddy Miles and Larry Young. Larry also played with Jimi and MIles (as did Mcl, tho good luck finding boot-only with Jimi)and Larry and McL in great orig Tony Williams Lifetime.
-- Don Allred (dmxz...), August 24th, 2004 9:58 AM.

Uh you know that "vice.com" meant to be "villagevoice.com" and "James Blod Ulmer" is "James Blood Ulmer," right? Sorry. If you do care anything about the jazzier black rocking stuff, also check David Murray's SHAKILL'S WARRIOR (the first one; don't know how the second is), and James Carter's CHASING THE GYPSY. The Funky Delicacies label has a lot of kinda pyschedelicized, garage soul, and others tuff on collections like FUNKY FUNKY CHICAGO, FUNKY FUNKY DETROIT, and some other FUNKY FUNKYs I haven't heard. The affiliated Soul-Tay-Shus label has the Masters of Soul's RIGHT ON! more variety incl. mind-bloers (Masters a group, though, if you get tired of comps). Also in there is Ike Turner's HIS WOMAN, HER MAN, "Unreleased Funk/Rock 1970-1973," vol. 3 of The Ike Turner Diaries. Don't know how prev. volumes are, but this one's got him experimenting with Arp synthesizers added to what he and Tina had been doing, raw as hell, in good and bad ways (demos). Some of it's damn good though. Try tuffcity.com for all these
-- Allred (dmxz...), August 24th, 2004 11:45 AM.

Lotta god wahhhhhhhhhhhh on the Meters' CABBAGE ALLEY too, though ahcid it ahnt. Chuck, the CD sounds a lot better, or less primitive, than the normal-bias tape of the already-15-year-old LP, which I sent you abck in '87.
-- Don (dddxx...), August 24th, 2004 2:41 PM.

Dalek is kind of dub metal at times. Larry Coryell did do some very rowdy jazz-rock raveups with black music elements, provided in large part by actual black people, in Eleventh House and some other bands before and after. Joe Beck played with Esther Phillips, but before that alnum, she did PERFORMANCE, with Jon Sholle and another guy, who also played for Motown, and they did foreboding funk with metallic tendrils of bass and slide, weird tonality in the EQ too, like on "I Feel The Same," and "Disposable Society." But they didn't do that kind of thing on all the tracks. Etta James did that one (self-titled?) with "All The Way Down," that makes Mick Jagger "seem like" apussy in comparison, and her cover of Randy Newman's "God's Song" makes "black metal" of the Nordic persuasion "seem like" a pussy. Not a literal pussy, for that would be more than okay of course.
-- Don (dmxz...), August 24th, 2004 5:00 PM.

Flatlanders:MORE A LEGEND THAN A BAND (later attempts, as Flatlanders, not so hot, but try Butch Hancock's own collections of his solo work, Joe Ely's LIVE SHOTS, Jimmie Dale Gilmore's SPIINING AROUND THE SUN, his ex-wife Jo Carol Pierce's BAD GIRLS UPSET BY THE TRUTH ["the Laurie Anderson of Texas," some call her, but no synth: all this is more words, tunes, singing, than effects, although there are some of those too, esp. Flatlander's musical saw, SPINNING's setting) Holy Modal Rounders, who used the word "psychedelic" in a too-hillbilly-for-folk song in '62: try holymodalrounders.com and allmusic (via bn.com is the way I usually hit allmusic; lots faster on bn). Good roundup of Rounders and their buddies Michael Hurley and J.Fredericks on HAVE MOICY. No orkystraws, tho'. Bill Frisell's guitar instrumentals have often seemed like modern jazz-country chamber music last few years, but I haven't heard a whole album. Emmy Lou Harris's WRECKING BALL, one of Daniel Lanois's better productions, is worth checking, re the chamber Americana, all dressed in black (denim), ditto ones she's done since. Bob Dylan's OH MERCY, also (I think, but some say "producer's record," like Dan'l took over, anyway it's good). Dyl's BRINGING IT ALL BACK HOME, HIGHWAY 61, BLONDE ON BLONDE got their country aspects, working well with otherness.
-- Don A (dmxz...), October 4th, 2004 6:48 PM.

team jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link

don actually usually makes a lot of sense, he just doesn't breath between sentences. it's like he has 15 things to talk about in the space of 2

team jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:44 (sixteen years ago) link

"Sometimes posting to ILX feels a bit like lining up all your stuffed animals and having a pretend dinner party with them."

possibly my favorite thread that i've started. but who was responsible for the titular comment?

Autonomous University of Zacatecas (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link

me

Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link

totally titular.

Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link

haha yes!

Sometimes posting to ILX feels a bit like lining up all your stuffed animals and having a pretend dinner party with them.

-- adam. (adamr...), September 14th, 2004.

Autonomous University of Zacatecas (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Was Jon implying that I don't make sense?

Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Wha..?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I hate you Natalie Portman. I hate you Zach Braff. I have you Sea bar in Williamsburg. I hate you New Jersey.

-- ZACH GRAF SPEE (dr_...) (webmail), Today 6:22 PM. (ex machina) (later) (link)

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Gossett posted yesterday!

I think Don ws asked once as to why he doesn't use paras and he said something like 'its bcz i'm at work!'. Drew posts goes to similar para lengths sometimes.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 3 March 2006 11:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Adam, g00gle one Russell's Paradox.

Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Friday, 3 March 2006 11:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Or get one wikipedia

Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Friday, 3 March 2006 11:42 (sixteen years ago) link

a paradox that only makes sense in especially tailored, nonsensical set-ups

RJG (RJG), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, exactly.

Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I think Don ws asked once as to why he doesn't use paras and he said something like 'its bcz i'm at work!'

yeah, it was me that asked him

team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link

sixteen years pass...

makes sense to me

lambert simnel (doo rag), Saturday, 1 October 2022 04:07 (two months ago) link

i don't even know who you are

mookieproof, Saturday, 1 October 2022 04:21 (two months ago) link

the executor of the will of george gosset

lambert simnel (doo rag), Saturday, 1 October 2022 05:26 (two months ago) link

Lars?

stank viola (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 October 2022 05:33 (two months ago) link

i also always found Geo.G quite hard to follow: rip to a passionate if opaque dude :(

hi duane hope all well :)

mark s, Saturday, 1 October 2022 08:40 (two months ago) link

hi mark yep same 2U

lambert simnel (doo rag), Saturday, 1 October 2022 09:17 (two months ago) link

re: george, haha you oughta tried talking to the dude in real life, whew

lambert simnel (doo rag), Saturday, 1 October 2022 09:25 (two months ago) link

clearly these musicians were an enormous part of the new cultural directions for young and not-so-young people, even if bba might have been riding those chchanges.

Faced with such expectations, is it any wonder that Beck Bogert Appice were doomed?

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 1 October 2022 13:48 (two months ago) link

Hahaha!

If The Damned Are United (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 October 2022 13:52 (two months ago) link

Making sense is overrated.

If The Damned Are United (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 October 2022 14:00 (two months ago) link

otm

If The Damned Are United (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 October 2022 14:33 (two months ago) link


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