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cheers you bumrocks-posting Dan Selzer

I have this record too, bought it in Cambridge at Newbury Comics in the early 90's because it had a cover of 'Rainy Day Sunshine Girl'.

Wasn't blown away by it at the time but liked the weird and time has been kind to it and who the hell was John Bender anyway?

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't have that record, or any John Bender record. They all go for like, 100s of dollars now. And when you try to google him all you get is that picture of Judd Nelson. There's actually a pretty thorough and great website someone put up about him:

I don't think it's been updated in ages though. Apparently he's extremely reclusive. I did some online research and found some obscure links, people he'd performed with, who worked on his tapes/records, or artwork, but none of the emails led anywhere.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link

my copy of 'I Don't Remember Now' is #148

hundreds of dollars, really? I feel so stupid not selling things when they get to that stage but I'm never going to sell this

thanks for that link!

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 08:43 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, the song titles refer to the cassette albums... the records are compiled from dozens of them

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 08:45 (eighteen years ago) link

ok this record is really working for me now. particularly the last track on each side. and the mp3's at that site are even further along.

can't believe this is 1978, when I bought it in 90 I thought it had just come out.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 09:28 (eighteen years ago) link

The stuff has only gotten more hip as it's been lumped in with the "minimal synth" crowd, but I think most of Bender's work is much better then that, much warmer and alien sounding, and totally beautiful.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Bender is the real deal

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 7 November 2005 06:03 (eighteen years ago) link

there was a john bender who lived in my building my freshman year..but he played billy joel style ballads on a casio

bb (bbrz), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I have no problem believing Judd Nelson's Bender would enjoy a Billy Joel ballad.

'Twan (miccio), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Bender = Ranaldo

MESTEMA (davidcorp), Thursday, 10 November 2005 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

He was an elder at my church.

Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Thursday, 10 November 2005 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link

the actual John Bender we're talking about? From cincinnatti?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 10 November 2005 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link

If any of you have an mp3 of 'Rainy Day, Sunshine Girl', could you hook a brother up?

danski (danski), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll ysi later tonight.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Not required any more as Soleseek beat you to the punch. If anyone else is innerested then holla and a YSI shall be yours. It's good, even if it isn't very NOYZEEEEEEE.

danski (danski), Saturday, 12 November 2005 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry, been busy! Some of his stuff is noisy...some is more typical and not as interesting "cold wave" type minimal synth new wave, while some is just very...unique.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

ummmmm, there aren't degrees to uniqueness

HAHAHAHAHA (Felcher), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

that's a unique response...but just a little bit.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 12 November 2005 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I would love a ysi of as much as possible, I'll reciprocate with something or other

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 12 November 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link


Fetchboy (Felcher), Saturday, 12 November 2005 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Zipped (Rarred) for your pleasure:

danski (danski), Sunday, 13 November 2005 03:03 (eighteen years ago) link

super thanks, I can take this one out of my stack of things to transfer from vinyl...

this link will exist for three hours ... [link removed]

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 14 November 2005 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

or perhaps a bit longer. oops. when do we get admin back?

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 14 November 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

dude. you are my hero today. that ruth white stuff is what the doc ordered today.

msp (mspa), Monday, 14 November 2005 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I love that record. People are going to start blinking whenever that & 7 Trumps get reissued, someone please make that happen.

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 14 November 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

ruth white was great. work computer couldn't open the bender rar tho.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 November 2005 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link

my name is rar rar.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 14 November 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

loving this.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 04:14 (eighteen years ago) link

should work...this is everything Bender I've got, except I Don't Remember Now. Most of the tracks, I don't know where they're from, some are probably the same as I Don't Remember, some are different versions of the same songs from the cassettes. Pop Surgery is included. I'll leave these here for a few days or so.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 04:22 (eighteen years ago) link

also...what was that ruckus?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 04:23 (eighteen years ago) link

radical, thx dan.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks dan -- will download this tomorrow morning

looks like your first 16 tracks are the complete BENDER CD compiled by the guy who runs the site you linked to...

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 07:14 (eighteen years ago) link

radical...thx dan!

ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Any of you guys heard/have opinions on the Gary Wilson album (scroll down a little)? I have not heard it.

The best 'minimal synth' record I have is the Music Is Forever ep by Billy Synth. Very punk record - short tracks with just synths and vocals. He was an east coast psych revival guy - forget the names of his old bands. He's also the guy who put together the Psychedelic Unknowns compilation album series.

That new Todd Tamanend Clark 2xCD collection has all of his Into the Vision LP from the mid-'80s on it, too, which is all just him - mostly synth and heavy guitar. Very good, though not as fantastic as some of his rock band stuff.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

If anyone's interested, here's a resend of the track "Stars in Heat," which was one of the two tracks I posted on the Todd Tamanend Clark thread. This one is from Into that Into the Vision album:

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread has turned GREAT! Thanks for the Ruth White record and the rest of the Bender stuff.

danski (danski), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

By the way, that's Cheetah Chrome on wah-wah guitar on that Clark track.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I've wondered if John Bender showed some more of his influences in song titles...I'm thinking mainly of the tracks "Glass" and "Mallinder"...odes to Philip and Stephen(of Cabaret Voltaire for those not familiar)?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I dunno about 'glass' (maybe) but the drums on 'mallinder' definitely sounds a lot like good early cabs

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

man, these mp3's you posted are fantastic

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah...I didn't think it'd be a stretch for someone like that in the late 70s/early 80s to be very psyched on the Cabs.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

tim, that Gary Wilson album is the biz. take a sleazy steely dan and add some wicked noize and synth doodles. and he's all creped out on the lasses. pick it up if you see it. i don't think i can recommend his new album on stonesthrow, but i only listened to it once in the store.

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 23:35 (eighteen years ago) link

finally getting to dl this. great stuff. thanks dan.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 November 2005 01:32 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Yes, thanks Dan for this goodness.

Anyone with too much money on their hands can go here:

S- (sgh), Friday, 3 February 2006 04:09 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...

'plaster falling', his 2nd lp

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 7 September 2006 00:21 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
one year passes...

are there any rips floating around of plaster falling and pop surgery that don't have windows error message sounds all over them?

someone needs to reissue these records

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Thursday, 27 August 2009 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i thought a certain someone was. wonder what happened to that?

jaxon, Thursday, 27 August 2009 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I emailed him but he never wrote back!

dan selzer, Friday, 28 August 2009 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link

pop surgery 128kbps, but no errors

back in 2006 I was still burning mp3's to CDRs for listening, so I don't have the error-less 'plaster falling' mp3's anymore, but they're out there, maybe someone else can forward

Milton Parker, Friday, 28 August 2009 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link

my version of plaster falling has almost no left channel and sounds pretty muffled :/


sleep, Friday, 28 August 2009 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

hey thanks for that milton.

dan, don't give up the fight, god is on your side

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Saturday, 29 August 2009 01:08 (fourteen years ago) link

"Bender, John Pop Surgery LP foc <500> Original industrial minimal electronics RECORD SLUTS RS 004 US83 vg+/vg+ 299.00"

and that's in Euros. So currently, 427.252 us dollars from

dan selzer, Sunday, 6 September 2009 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

there's a copy of plaster falling on discogs for €1400

still looking for a decent rip and preying for a reissue

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 28 July 2010 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

for the eagle-eyed (and eared), there are recent grey area LP reissues floating around now of Pop Surgery and I Don't Remember Now...they sound great (considering the source material) and the repro covers are top-notch.

get 'em while they're around, folks! discogs sez 100 copies each.

(I Just) Died In Your Asshat Tonight, Thursday, 30 December 2010 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

heard a rumor about that, available where?

dan selzer, Friday, 31 December 2010 07:29 (twelve years ago) link

Would someone just reissue these like an adult? More copies, available somewhat easily? Is it that hard?

That's life in the world of shadows, Garkun. (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 31 December 2010 08:27 (twelve years ago) link

I emailed him and didn't get a response. It's not always so easy to reissue things.

dan selzer, Friday, 31 December 2010 08:38 (twelve years ago) link

there have been some sold on ebay recently, but i don't know where else online to grab 'em - seems like something Fusetron would carry?

if a dude happens to be in portland, or...Exiled Records has copies (at least they did a couple days ago). dunno if they do mailorder though.

(I Just) Died In Your Asshat Tonight, Saturday, 1 January 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link

try Permanent Records Chicago

van smack, Saturday, 1 January 2011 00:57 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks for the tip!

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Saturday, 1 January 2011 02:02 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

just picked up copies of each of these reissues/boots/whatever they are. they had a few of em at amoeba berkeley. no one at the store knew anything about them. kinda figured i might not see them ever again so got them legit or not

jaxon, Monday, 7 February 2011 00:53 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

hahahahah 6LP box set coming this year on Vinyl On Demand

sleeve, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

Wow that's great!

van smack, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Plaster Falling has been reissued as well. There are two versions, one being the Plaster Edition (which is limited - no idea how limited) and then the regular album which is half the price of the ltd.

van smack, Saturday, 26 March 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

You can score either at Permanent Chicago...

van smack, Saturday, 26 March 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

Just got the Plaster Falling lp and there is so much plaster on the sleeve, that I can't even open it.

van smack, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 02:02 (twelve years ago) link

Do I use an exacto knife to cut it open?

van smack, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link

hahahahah 6LP box set coming this year on Vinyl On Demand

― sleeve, Tuesday, March 1, 2011 11:48 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

very happy to read this. i assume it'll be all the various cassettes and comp appearances?

is the vod stuff legit or bootlegs? i wonder how he found bender?

ur reading from a season in hell but u don't know what it's abt (missingNO), Saturday, 9 April 2011 12:23 (twelve years ago) link

Vod stuff I think has all been legit. Bender's been popping up lately. First via his son and his son's bandmate. More recently he commented on my friends eBay auction of one of his records, certifying it as a real copy.

dan selzer, Saturday, 9 April 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link

VOD is as legit as a label can be, and I am very excited about that set.

Pretty sure the recent spate of LP reissues are all boots though, like the Snowy Red LP. Somebody finally realized that they could make some money pirating records that sell for hundreds of dollars.

sleeve, Saturday, 9 April 2011 15:32 (twelve years ago) link

So I bought a bunch of bootlegs then, right? They sound terrific though.

van smack, Saturday, 9 April 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, not pointing fingers at you or anything, I bought the Snowy Red LP! Glad they sound good.

sleeve, Saturday, 9 April 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

I kinda figured that. I'm happy with these even though they aren't legit. I'm curious who put these out.

van smack, Saturday, 9 April 2011 16:07 (twelve years ago) link

eleven months pass...
three years pass...

i have been listening to john bender. a lot. i'm so mad at myself for not knowing about this earlier!

Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 April 2015 23:23 (eight years ago) link

it is really good music, kind of amazing how well it has held up

sleeve, Friday, 3 April 2015 00:10 (eight years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Two Days of Experimental Music
The Woodward Theater | 1404 Main St., Cincinnati, OH


(First performance in over 30 years from local minimal synth pioneer following his upcoming reissue on Superior Viaduct)

(Ex-Wolf Eyes/ Hanson Records Operator - master of tape manipulation and haunting electronics)

(Rare appearance from Lexington, KY noise rock legends)

(Vancouver modular synth - upcoming LP on Important)


(legendary guitarist from Harry Pussy - cross between blues, punk, and free improv. AMAZING)

(Chicago prepared guitar/laptop legend)

(John Wiese led noisecore heavyweights)

(New York residing local legend of voice and violin)

Milton Parker, Friday, 1 April 2016 17:29 (seven years ago) link


dan selzer, Friday, 1 April 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link

haha i have a friend who loves John Bender but hates (well that might be a bit strong, but he has a major annoyance w/) Superior Viaduct.

sarahell, Friday, 1 April 2016 17:50 (seven years ago) link

What's the annoyance?

dan selzer, Friday, 1 April 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link

dude's store (physical store) is overpriced, and he had one of his employees follow my friend through the store as if he was going to steal shit.

sarahell, Friday, 1 April 2016 18:02 (seven years ago) link

is the reissue different stuff from the VOD stuff?

also i am convinced that cincinnati is a really cool city even tho i have never been there so this may be the motivation

adam, Friday, 1 April 2016 18:23 (seven years ago) link

I keep hoping for a CD reissue of that VOD box. I might even pay for a digital download but would really very much prefer not to

good lord VOD is putting out a Don Slepian 1971-1983 release they are INSANE

Milton Parker, Friday, 1 April 2016 18:47 (seven years ago) link

visit the Zaha Hadid designed art museum.

dan selzer, Friday, 1 April 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link

visiting Cincinnati in late June sounds as appealing as visiting Detroit in mid January

sarahell, Friday, 1 April 2016 19:19 (seven years ago) link

i have spent most of my life in the gulf south i fear nothing

adam, Friday, 1 April 2016 19:32 (seven years ago) link

a stronger person than i

sarahell, Friday, 1 April 2016 19:39 (seven years ago) link

good lord VOD is putting out a Don Slepian 1971-1983 release they are INSANE

― Milton Parker, Friday, April 1, 2016 11:47 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

<3 <3 <3 stoked

lute bro (brimstead), Friday, 1 April 2016 23:57 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

are you going?

sarahell, Saturday, 18 June 2016 21:00 (seven years ago) link


On Sat June 18, John Bender will give his first-ever RADIO interview to Trash Flow Radio, which airs every Saturday from 3pm to 5pm US EDT on community radio station WAIF 88.3 FM in Cincinnati. Please tune in!

sleeve, Saturday, 18 June 2016 21:36 (seven years ago) link

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 23:18 (seven years ago) link

five years pass...

So, it looks like the return of John Bender resulted in nearly 100 Soundcloud + YouTube tracks in 2016 (98 to be exact, and they don't precisely overlap), 55 in 2017, and 17 in 2018...the latter two years also feature what I presume are live improvisations for performances of his)... and then only two in 2019, and then silence...I'm hoping he figured the second time around has its run and that he's still with us.

Covered here:

In the Modern (v2) tab.

Also have A Classic (V1) tab in case somebody stumbles into a cache of more self-released tapes or his full catalogue of tapes...

thehappyone, Saturday, 28 May 2022 18:18 (one year ago) link

very cool, thanks

thinkmanship (sleeve), Saturday, 28 May 2022 19:03 (one year ago) link

And here's an archive of all modern John Bender Soundcloud and YouTube offerings, in case either channel goes away...

And here's an interview with him:

Glad Mr. Bender has his priorities straight

john bender

An Intro to Making Generative Music on Modular [29:28]
Jamie Oliver Roast Shoulder of Lamb [8:02]

thehappyone, Sunday, 29 May 2022 15:23 (one year ago) link

The Mixcloud interview confirms he just ran out of steam...and that he's still tinkering around but hasn't put anything up since early 2019...

thehappyone, Sunday, 29 May 2022 17:04 (one year ago) link

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