truth bombs

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ooo do pd + fd next

what are pd and fd?

fp

i find it sad and funny that ILX has become a think tank for a workers party advocating for strong centralized govt when apparently most ilxors neither a) work in govt or b) work at all

is any of that accurate tho

also i work in govt o may not be 'an ilxor' tho

yeah exactly u are one of the reasonable ones

I'm guessing most work for a living, rather than a recreation

is any of that accurate tho

also i work in govt o may not be 'an ilxor' tho

― old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Wednesday, November 28, 2018 11:46 AM (twenty-one seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no it's not accurate v is just having a wee rant that would work better on facebook with some bad image macros

xp to lg my god

haha yeah ... I try to give ppl the benefit of the doubt that they have been lucky enough to either a) live places where the govt isn't horrible or b) had to deal with negative aspects of strong govt

the world isn't america.

the world isn't vancouver either

I'm from scotland. canada is like america-lite to me (and i don't like it)

I kinda wish posters like silby took a year to like, live in Oakland, just to see whether opinions stay the same or change from experience -- not to be a dick, but just that our personal experiences significantly affect our belief systems

silby should come to dublin most ppl should rly

Oakland, too -- like it should be a thing -- the dublin/Oakland program

sleeve's comment isn't true across the board but in many cases (see: instances of supposedly non-profit charter schools which are in fact run by for-profit management organizations) is indeed a bomb of truth.

i couldn't afford to live in Dub iirc

same, or oakland

this story about a recently forced out building inspector touches on a lot of problems in Oakland:
https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/the-corrupt-oakland-official-who-wanted-to-be-a-cannabis-kingpin/Content?oid=23229940

#urlspoilers

sleeve's comment isn't true across the board but in many cases (see: instances of supposedly non-profit charter schools which are in fact run by for-profit management organizations) is indeed a bomb of truth.

― Welcome to Gropelord, TX (Old Lunch)

this is absolutely 100% otm

charter schooling encompasses a broad range of approaches and outcomes and i agree there are many bad charter school operators out there. there are places (like michigan) where charter schooling has devolved into a thinly-veiled voucher scheme and that is certainly not a good thing. but at the same time, there are places (like california) where charter schooling has been an effective way to improve school choice in areas where the districts aren't large enough to support and grow hybrid schools, performing arts schools, language and cultural immersion schools, project-based learning schools, progressive schools, college prep academies, etc

there are also large districts in California that are just fucked up, and some of the charter schools are actually doing way more to serve low-income and marginalized populations than the district does

that's irrelevant to the point. Charter Schools are exactly what sleeve said they are. The fact that some of them occasionally produce good results is incidental to the scheme, and part of the scheme is in fact to worsen public schools so that you get more "just fucked up" public schools.

nope

I mean it's sort of like if someone said "The purpose of the US Army is to administer and increase the power and reach of American empire," responding "Sometimes the army builds dams or distributes food to hungry people" wouldn't really change the overarching point.

regardless of your experience, that's exactly how charters have worked in oakland. they should all be obliterated. xp

xp

not every charter school is run by a private foundation. i have worked in a charter schools chartered by (and located in) the san diego public library (which was a terrible school) and i currently work in a charter school chartered by the state university system (which is a very good school)

i have also worked at a charter school run by a private foundation, and i assure you, there was no scheme in place to worsen public school.

i have also worked in public schools.

otoh OUSD ... like, ideally OUSD would be a well-run entity

non-profit =/= doesn't serve the purpose of profit. But of course there are operators here and there who operate with nothing more than a desire to improve education. That doesn't matter. Charter schools as a whole are a systematic effort to weaken public education and open up the "education market" to private investors, and to weaken the bargaining power of teachers' unions. That's why they exist. Hedge fund managers and lobbyists don't push them because they love children.

I mean it's sort of like if someone said "The purpose of education is to reproduce the means of production and provide the human resources necessary to perpetuate America's superiority," ....

xp if u say so

i mean what do i know, i'm just a practitioner in my second decade, not a freelance ILXdeologue

xp wmlynch - R0ses in Concrete seems like a good school to me, idk

and i'm just a parent who has had to deal with the terrible impact that charter schools have had on my community and my child's education. xp

sorry about your kid

j/k i obviously don't care about kids

ha boom

sarahell, i'm sure there are good ones in the area, but the overall impact has been negative in my opinion.

not if you're a hedge fund managers or lobbyist

i mean what do i know, i'm just a practitioner in my second decade, not a freelance ILXdeologue

― the late great, Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:47 PM (thirty-seven seconds ago)

this is kinda a standard ilx thing -- I remember going through this re the US income tax system, and dayo wisely said, "you're too close to this topic, you should let it go" (or something to that effect)

heh

I'd honestly favor the abolishment of charter schools in favor of strengthening public schools and would also like to see Betsy DeVos shot into the troposphere but in terms of assessing what we currently have to work with I feel like I at least have to acknowledge that the answer to 'charter schools?' is a little more nuanced than 'pure and unfettered evil'.

i find it sad and funny that ILX has become a think tank for a workers party advocating for strong centralized govt when apparently most ilxors neither a) work in govt or b) work at all

― the late great, Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:45 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is already in this thread

though i wonder what you call a truthbomb filled with straw

sarahell, i'm sure there are good ones in the area, but the overall impact has been negative in my opinion.

― wmlynch, Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:49 PM (one minute ago)

I work/ed for non-profits doing arts ed programs in both public and charter schools ... granted most of my experience was in logistics and uh, trying to get OUSD to pay us when they said they would.

xp - isn't that a Challop?

though i wonder what you call a truthbomb filled with straw

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver,

blanket criticism of charter schools surely fits this description

ugh i'm sorry to hear that. i've been dealing with ousd trying to get them to build a new school in our neighborhood. it's two years delayed and double its original budget, and ousd administrators lie to us every chance they get. xxp