posts very much in character

British (mostly)

It's not about what I call him, anyway, it's about what he calls himself. (Cornish, usually.)

ah but you can't really expect Pitchfork to pick up on that. I'm sure he has an English passport

There is no such thing as an English passport, BTW.

Oops. I suppose it it sort of surprising they didn't go for British but he was brought up in England, has an English accent, and Cornwall isn't a separate nation as things currently stand

Cornwall might not be a separate country (it has a really strange quasi-legal status actually), but it is a separate nation: http://duchyofcornwall.eu/

Is this "English accent" like an "English passport"? Please tell me more of this, it's hilarious.

(ha ha, I'm playing and being facetious and in-character, BTW.)

In what universe is a bloke born in Napa, to Cupertino parents, who grew up in Mountain View and now lives in Berkeley, apparently "San Franciscan"?

metaphor doesn't work, ireland isn't part of britain.

fuck. would it work if we set it in orange county with catalina playing the part of the emerald isle?

You could try Canada, they tend to get similarly touchy about pesky things like national boundaries?

Well, but Canada's actually nation-sized.

Cornwall has its own indigenous language. You USA-ians don't! You're just a jumped-up colony!

I dunno WCC, I don't see too many peeps arguing The Bee Gees were Celts

It's a movement toward self-government, right? No official status? Like Quebec except with Kernowek

Well, it's more complicated than that, Cornwall has a really odd legal non-status, but this probably isn't the place.

King of the who? I thought we were an autonomous collective!

Who represents Cornwall at the U.N.?

Today, for political and ideological reasons, the Duke of Cornwall, aka the Prince of Wales, denies his duchy's real history and generates a new one. Documents such as the duchy’s own fourteenth century ‘Acts of the Council of the Black Prince’ – where the first duke acknowledged that the Duchy of Cornwall is extra-territorial to England and the Cornish are his subjects - are jettisoned.(1) Charles Windsor’s certain knowledge of the powerful second and third duchy charters - which acknowledge the duchy’s fiscal and judicial independence from England - is actively denied.(2) The contemporary [c.1290] Hereford Mappamundi - which shows Britain composed of Scotland, Wales, England and Cornwall - is studiously ignored. The Prince of Wales and his many duchy advisors pretend to be unaware of successive Acts of Parliament dated 1422, 1465 and 1539 which state: Cornwall should always remain as a duchy.(3) Finally, the Prince of Wales, in his capacity as Duke of Cornwall, gives the impression of never having heard of the celebrated ‘Princes Case’ of 1606 in which Lord Coke concluded: all Cornwall is the Duchy of Cornwall.(4) We could go on.

Cornwall has its own indigenous language. You USA-ians don't!

Have you ever heard really thick US regional accents? Forget the south (although there have been ppl from Mississippi I've basically stared at like they were speaking Esperanto), I've encountered Boston accents so thick I decided they must be speaking Gaelic, from pronunciation to word choice to, in a few amazing cases, sentence structure.

The last time I was in Belfast, I seriously could not tell the difference between a Belfast accent and a Boston accent. Like, I said to my bandmate "there are a lot of Americans here tonight, huh?" and he just laughed at that.

But ye are still speaking variants and dialects of English.

http://www.xenotypetech.com/images/cherokee_qtext.gif

http://i.imgur.com/ZLyrl.jpg

Navajo, native speakers: 171,000 self-reported[1], a more conservative estimate of fluent speakers in 1990 is 120,000 with probably fewer speakers in 2010[2] (2007)

Cornish, native speakers: a few under 20 years (2003)[1]
600 L2 (2003)[1]
3,500 (2008)[2]

I'm not up on the politics of American indigenous people, but I'm under the impression that e.g. the Navajo Nation is at least partially self governing?

So if you're bringing this up to counter me, you're actually supporting my original arguments for Cornish nationhood, self-determination and self governance?

I have no idea what this convo is about but I once heard a Navajo language readio station while on a res in NM and it is the craziest most awesome sounding thing.

Population of Cornwall in 2008 estimated to be 534,300;
26% of the population of Cornwall identified as Cornish in the Cornwall Quality of Life Survey 2007;[3]

In other words, there are as many people who natively speak Navajo as there are Cornish people, total. And most of those Cornish people don't speak Cornish.

Native Americans are just as American as they are part of their tribe or people. I'm pretty sure the idea of being "English" is annoying because it was originally the name of a specific group of people, though. The groups in the US who want independence consider themselves more American, not breakaways, generally. It's not a counterargument, just a different dynamic.

See: my earlier Monty Python pandering. People don't want to be English or Britons or whatever because some dude decided he's king and runs around telling people!

Well, it's more that there is already a classification for people who were born on/are citizens of this island, but are not necessarily English - i.e. British. And I don't know why Pitchfork opened that can of worms by separating out English and Scottish in that way without realising that "English" is a pretty complicated issue for some people.

(Well, obviously they did it out of the same ignorance that makes people think that there is such a thing as an "English Passport.")

well, yeah, ignorance

Seems like if England was its own country, it would have its own passport.

autonomous collective, iirc

also, a suspicious side-eye at the lack of cock shots

― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:10 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

these countries inside of great brittan they dont really behave like countries that much

spelling error -1

― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 14:24 (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha I didn't even think anyone would notice me posting the WCC post here tbh

ftr I endorse the sentiment behind it but never in ten lifetimes would have expected pfork to consider Cornwall as distinguished from England in the respect it's being used there

cornwall might be inside of england have to check a map

p sure cornwall is the name for the great wall around england

english farmers used to plant corn there, on the wall, to trade w/ the vikings

Cornugallensis

no one move a muscle as the dead come home

nice.

everyone knows you can't trade with vikings, they just plunder

cornish were a canny people and would offer up boxes of fudge for burzum tapes

everyone knows you can't trade with vikings, they just plunder

― your native bacon (mh), Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:41 AM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

HELL YEAH THEY DO

http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2009/12/001.png

I have no idea what this convo is about but I once heard a Navajo language readio station while on a res in NM and it is the craziest most awesome sounding thing.

No imagine hearing it at the bus stop.

A Navajo co-worker was explaining how complicated it can be to say some things in Navajo. Like, rather than a word for pencil, the literal translation is something like: "extended wooden object that can be used to form words," or something like that. Not very verbatim, but it was definitely similarly convoluted.

No = now.

Just here putting off things I'd rather do.

On the issue of Native American sovereignty, here's a blast from the past:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5xVRXLgLxw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5xVRXLgLxw

3 months pass...

http://www.quickanded.com/2010/11/why-not-yale.html

― iatee, Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:30 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

1 year passes...

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/8/30/academic-dishonesty-ad-board/

― iatee, Friday, August 31, 2012 12:46 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink