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speaking of rutger hauer, does anyone remember the original Hitcher with him in it? i remember seeing it when i was in like 7th grade or something and it scared the piss out of me. my heart kind of shrinks a little whenever i see a commercial for the re-make, there's no way it will scare me as much.

chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

WHOA!

chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

The War Room (omg best movie ever obv). I hadn't realized that it features a young Mark Halperin doing his Al Gore impression.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

The Hitcher is a very good movie, i watch it often. i dont think theyll be able to recreate the air of 4am exhaustion in the remake though, thats what made the original special

PRKLTR (flezaffe), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

The War Room (omg best movie ever obv).

This is really weird that you mention this, because I was walking to the train this morning and thinking "You know what, I never saw The War Room, maybe I should put that on my Netflix queue."

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Also: Ally, I seem to remember more intriguing twists from Minority Report. It's been a while, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

well it's the best movie ever because this is gabbneb talking, but it really is very good as that sort of thing goes, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a screenwriter to match carville

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

well it's the best movie ever because this is gabbneb talking

Yeah, that sort of went without saying.

My girlfriend is kind of a political junkie, too, though, and loves Carville -- so I figured it'd be something we could watch together.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

Rutger Hauer is the bomb.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck Sheen Bean.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

The worst thing about the HITCHER remake (that I gather from the trailer): instead of the hitcher antagonizing the boy (interesting macho / homoerotic subtext!), it's just dude fucking w/ the girl (booooooooring pseudo-slasher bullshit). SEAN BEAN GET ONE MOVIE.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Which version did you see, Jaymc? The one with narration or without? (I actually saw both versions in school, the studio cut ironically enough in a Directing class because the teacher was that fucking clueless). I'm with Morb (??) on the whole action movie thing, re: the director's cut.

x-post I've seen enough of them to tell that if they finally a remake of a horror movie I haven't seen, all that means is I have to go see the original.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

re Rutger Hauer, srch Soldier of Orange (ie, before he became a Walkenlike joke)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

instead of the hitcher antagonizing the boy (interesting macho / homoerotic subtext!), it's just dude fucking w/ the girl (booooooooring pseudo-slasher bullshit).


ugh. that makes my heart shrink and frown.

chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

These folks fucking w/ 70s / 80s horror movie remakes need to wise the fuck up.

"What was wrong w/ the original BLACK CHRISTMAS? Oh, yeah - not enough gore & tittays!"

"What was wrong w/ the original HITCHER? Oh, yeah - too gay!"

I hope any HALLOWEEN remake replaces the Shatner mask & jumpsuit w/ a polyurethane Q-Bert costume.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

the original hithcer is brilliant. they will ruin it. because that is what they do.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

"What was wrong w/ the original BLACK CHRISTMAS? Oh, yeah - not enough gore & tittays!"

actually, I do kinda want to see that one.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

I like my gore and tittays in seperate scenes, though.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i won't even watch black christmas re-make. no margot kidder no credibility

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

"I like my gore and tittays in seperate scenes, though."

loser

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

Morb, is that Hauer flick one of the early Verhoeven movies? I vaguely remember some footage of RH jerking off in that Channel Z doc (because I remember stuff like that).

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Turkish Delight. Evidently the Dutch Love Story or something. Sorta need to see it.

I actually liked the first half of the When A Stranger Calls remake. It's all obnoxious score and long shots in a house designed for maximum ominous shadow.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

The Verhoeven/Hauer flick is Turkish Delight, in case I wasn't clear.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

DR, but I think yr talkin about Spetters -- SOO is a jerkin-free WW2 movie. so they made at least 3 together in Holland?

God, all that horror garbage, no wonder no one watches Iranian films around here.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

if you're keeping score, that's,
Dr Morbius - Iranian films
rest of ILX - all that horror garbage

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

when the iranians make a good zombie movie, call me.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

"Rutger Hauer is very close to unwatchable – a large reason why I can't stand it."


i am banning alfred from life too. and all iranian film fans.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

i always thought most people on ilx were boring non-horror fans anyway. or at least i always wanted to kill myself whenever i read genre film threads.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

I really dislike horror films because none of them are very scary to me, sometimes I'll think to rent something like The Wicker Man because it seems funny though, I mean really Nick Cage punching Leelee Sobieski in the face, screaming "BITCHES" while wearing a bear suit--that is good for at least one laugh, in a group setting.

The remake of The Hitcher strikes me as pointless.

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

Also there are plenty of people around here who are at least familiar with some of Iran's output. It's just questionable how many of us want to go into a huge thing about it with you, Morbius. Long discussions on ILX with you have gone bad about 9 out of 10 times, for me at least.

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

And NO I'm not trying to start something before one of the geniuses shows up with the "Why are mommy and daddy fighting" comments again ;_1

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

Which version did you see, Jaymc? The one with narration or without?

Without. "Director's cut."

I think I've seen two Iranian films? Taste of Cherry was pretty tedious (lol suicide), but The Apple was cute.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Instead of TITs, the orig BLACK CHRISTMAS features gratutitous Kidder "drunk acting school" techniques she would later transform into "unplaceable foreign accent acting school" techniques for SISTERS, only to finally triumph with "I am reallly high right now and reading poetry in space" techniques in SUPER MAN

Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

but really, BLACK CHRISTMAS is all about the phone calls, which are really just the "Double Dog Dare" script from CHRISTMAS STORY pitched up a bit

Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

and the shots of the plastic girl in the attic

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

"The remake of The Hitcher strikes me as pointless."


plus they already kinda did remake the hitcher in that movie where the two dudes crank call the scary truck driver on a cb radio and he stalks them and mayhem ensues. i liked that one.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

with Leelee Sobieski (sic)! From the guy that made THE LAST SEDUCTION & a bunch of other crap!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

everyone's heard the story about eric red, the dude who wrote the hitcher and near dark, right? plowing his SUV into this place called Q's on wilshire blvd, killing a couple people, and being so fucked up on coke that when he saw what he'd done he picked up a shard of broken glass and slashed himself across the neck with it?

‘•’u (gear), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

i guess he's doing okay now, though.

‘•’u (gear), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

I think!

[xpost]

whoa

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

!!!
ps: does the BC remake even bother the phone calls?
yeah that Leelee number was a cable flip find

Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

this is from an l.a. weekly story last year:

As horror stories often do, this one started with a bump in the gathering night.

At 6:30 p.m. on May 31, 2000, Kenny Hughes had just passed Bundy in West L.A., heading east on Wilshire. A minor celebrity in skate circles, Hughes stands out in any crowd — a 6-foot-5, rail-thin African-American with a bushy Afro, whose small-town North Carolina deference belies a competitive streak which at 26 had won him a sponsorship with DC Shoes and, later, Element Skateboards. According to his police statement, riding next to him in his white 1995 Honda Accord was Aine Behan, his Irish girlfriend, whom he’d just picked up at the airport. Hughes himself was just back from Barcelona, where the skating is good, and was following three friends in the car ahead of him, looking for a motel on their way to Vegas. They made the light. He didn’t.

Locked in animated conversation, neither he nor his girlfriend noticed the 1994 black Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo approaching them from behind. It hit them at a dead stop, doing minor damage to the Honda. Hughes had the presence of mind to set the emergency brake before stepping out of his car, arms out, horizontal at his sides — wassup? — to inspect the damage. Angry, but in control, he walked back to the driver’s-side window of the car. This all took maybe 30 seconds.

“I get up to his car, and he’s slumped over the wheel, looking out the window towards me with his eyes open,” says Hughes today. “And I was probably there for a second, two seconds, and then the car just started moving.”

According to witness statements, the Jeep struck his car a second time, gradually picking up speed, until it jackknifed the Honda into oncoming traffic. Hughes’s girlfriend was still in the car and scrambled out of the moving vehicle, just as the Jeep slipped off its right bumper. No longer impeded by Kenny Hughes’ emergency brake, the Jeep’s RPMs found purchase, and suddenly it was going an estimated 35-40 miles per hour the wrong way across Wilshire, witnesses told police. It jumped the curb and obliterated a bus stop, scooping up 26-year-old Santa Monica City College English student David Roos, who was running for the safety of Q’s Billiards, located at 11835 Wilshire, immediately behind him. Taking out an outdoor patio of tables and scattering bodies — among them, 34-year-old environmental lawyer Noah Baum, there celebrating his first trial victory — the SUV continued unabated through the plate-glass windows and front doors of Q’s, stopping only after it had moved the heavy horseshoe-shaped mahogany bar, beer taps and freezer units several feet. Bar employees later said that from his vantage point on the west patio, Baum was the first to notice the careening car, and the first to recognize it as a potential threat.

Those drinking inside or watching the Knicks game on TV heard what sounded like an explosion, followed by a spray of glass, wood and dirt from a sidewalk planter. Many assumed it was an earthquake or a bomb — though bombs were not quite so plausible back in those pre-9/11 days. In statements to police, several witnesses reported the Jeep’s driver — Eric Red, then 39, the screenwriter of horror film classics The Hitcher and Near Dark 15 years before, and more recently the director of progressively lesser-known horror fare — was unconscious and slumped over in his seat. But others remember him wide awake and staring straight ahead, both before and after the impact. One of these, Jason McCourt, was pinned to the bar and began yelling at Red to back up. Bartender Donal Tavey came over the bar and onto the hood of the Jeep, then tried to help him get it into gear. “He went from ‘park’ to ‘reverse’ and back, then started screaming and shaking his head like he was a little kid,” reads Tavey’s police statement. Others told police that Red was “shouting and flailing his arms around” or “shaking hard and screaming like a lunatic.” Another bartender got Red out of the Jeep and popped it into neutral, after which the crowd managed to rock it back off the bar. Miraculously, McCourt was alive, getting off with a broken leg and fractures to his hips and pelvis. But immediately below him, Baum was crushed into a sitting position. Ann Blackburn, a nurse, examined Baum within minutes and reported he was dead at the scene, although she continued CPR until an ambulance arrived.

Rather amazingly, three retired FBI agents — Mike Wacks, Fred Ahles and Richard “Bucky” Sadler — were drinking at the southwest corner of the bar, about three feet from the point of impact. None will comment on the record today, but in his police statement, Wacks — who was once assigned to a detail investigating Carlos Marcello, the notorious New Orleans mob boss widely implicated in the Kennedy assassination — stated: “I looked at the driver after the crash and he appeared awake and alert. It was like he was just a guy in the bar. There was no look of surprise or shock on his face at all.” Sadler’s statement quotes Red as saying, “Is everybody okay? Did I hurt anybody? I didn’t mean to kill anybody.”

Still holding his car keys in his left hand, and bleeding from a small cut on his right eyebrow, Red walked a ways from the vehicle, just in time for Cassady Jeremias, one of Kenny Hughes’ friends in the car ahead of him, to see him pick up a sharp stick and begin ramming it into his chest. Interviewed recently, she remembers thinking, “Well, who’s this joker — he’s not going to kill himself with a stick jabbing himself in the chest?” Undaunted, Red picked up a broken glass off the floor, approximately two inches thick, and slashed once at his neck, cutting it deeply. According to the police report, kitchen worker Ray Garcia and several patrons wrestled him to the ground, then tied a waiter’s apron around his throat to stanch the flow of blood and covered him with a tablecloth to prevent shock. Red continued to speak, telling Wacks, “Don’t bother, I just want to die,” and Garcia, “Don’t bother with me, I’m not worth living.” Alan Levy, who was headed eastbound several cars behind Red and saw the whole thing, told police, “This looked like road rage to me.” And in a follow-up police phone call, bartender Tavey claimed he believed the collision was an intentional act.

‘•’u (gear), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

W.T.F.

Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Despite what I said earlier, he looks great here:

http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/TopFilms/Hauer/HauerFloris.jpg

A German-language Crimson Pirate?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 January 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

someone pls to embed the spinning rutger hauer face cube as seen on this page:

http://www.rutgerhauer.org/submenues/picgalleries.php

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Thursday, 18 January 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

Dave, Red Rock West is not "a bunch of other crap."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 January 2007 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

... I didn't even know Rutger Hauer was in Batman Begins until I saw the credits.

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Thursday, 18 January 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Ha - forgot about that one! FWIW, I was thinking of ROUNDERS & UNFORGETTABLE.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 January 2007 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

I think I've seen two Iranian films? Taste of Cherry was pretty tedious (lol suicide), but The Apple was cute.

Wrong and wronger.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 19 January 2007 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait, I thought you were talking about that damned disco musical everyone here loves for God knows why.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 19 January 2007 02:05 (nineteen years ago)


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