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so, does anyone else think there has been any kind of backlash against PC, or rise in the cachet of 'controversial terms' in hipster circles over the last 5 or so years?

not a backlash against pc, but a definite swing towards the apolitical and decadent anything goes attitudes.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, i think the backlash against pc was earlier (90s still, even)? and the swing towards apoliticism and decadence sort of came from that? and that active controversy courting is sort of a natural by product of that?

― weimarian lido (gareth), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan Savage (Portland, OR sexual advice-giver)'s column was named "Hey Faggot!" for about 6 years until 1999 when he changed it to "Savage Love". But you know how all gays are always on the cutting edge, you know, he was way ahead of the curve on this one. I say "Yay Faggot!".

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, i think he's from Seattle, WA.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

a definite swing towards the apolitical and decadent anything goes attitudes

...which we learned from EUROPEANS! *SHOCK* *GASP*

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I will use the term "fag" occasionally. But mostly when talking with gay boys and after they have used it first.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

gareth, if you could peacefully exist in a town with nearly-weekly public displays of assless chaps and leashes leading to/fro pierced genitalia and a couple open-minded music clubs with gloryholes in the mens rooms and the best music classes are held at the local lesbian college where they hold routine "dyke-ins", the sudden recontextualization/reclamation of the word "faggot" is really not an issue to lose sleep over [in my opinion].

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i didnt say i was (or wasnt) offended. but, i am interested in its reclamation. and i'm interested in who is doing the reclaiming. and also, what its like, outside of those centres

― chrltnldo (gareth), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

ah, i see what you're getting at:

like a "faux-ggot"?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.queertheory.com/histories/images2/cover_kramer1.gif

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

now there's some good ol' American faggotry.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

larry clark to thread!

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah?

― larry clark? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

have you read/seen his books dean?

(ie, "teenage lust", "a perfect childhood", or "tulsa")

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

when was the last time you used the word 'faggot'? in what context?

― chrltnldo (gareth), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

on this thread.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.robertriehl.com/Nicolas%20Easter%20Bunny%204-03.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't hear it any more now than before. the term 'fag' seems 'softer' - see it's use in Avenue D's 'Do I look Like A Slut?' as an example. That anecdote about Sid Vicious calling the crowd at one of their ill-faited US gigs 'a bunch of faggots' always makes me laugh for some reason.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I believe that was actually "a bunch of cowboy faggots" seeing as they were in Texas.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Well dressing like a cowboy is sort of gay (and not in the gay as in stupid way either.)

http://www.orock1059.com/graphics/randyjones.jpg

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

GYGAX: I have only ever seen Tulsa, which I own.

― dean? (deangulberry), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

IMO fag:faggot=nigga:nigger

― Daniel DiMAGGIO (Daniel DiMAGGIO), Thursday, 29 July 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

IMO wigga:faux-ggot

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 July 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

IMO nougat != nugget

― pooch portugese (pooch portugese), Thursday, 29 July 2004 06:50 (twenty-one years ago)

2+2=4

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

no, 2 + 2 = ?

(at least according to Bob Seger)

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

7 and 7 is!

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

if 6 was 9

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

why is 6 afraid of 7?

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

cuz 7-8-9

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

THERE ARE 4 LIGHTS

― Jean Luc (ex machina), Thursday, 29 July 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I read somewhere a couple of times "Political Correctness" was a term made up by THE RIGHT (dunno who, a newspaper prob) to hassle the menacing forces of the LEFT and anyway yeah it got kinda reclaimed/became more of a force once given a title to cohere around so let's all say "faggot"

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 2 August 2004 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I read in the NYT that the new buzzword for latte liberals is "organic"

― Bunzzzzz O)))))))))))))))))) (ex machina), Monday, 2 August 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm surprised there's enough hippies to pull that off

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 2 August 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.wholefoods.com/

― Bunzzzzz O)))))))))))))))))) (ex machina), Monday, 2 August 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

The Term was applied to Theresa Heinz Kerry

― Bunzzzzz O)))))))))))))))))) (ex machina), Monday, 2 August 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

The Therm was applied to Theresa****

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I HAVE A NALGENE BOTTEL AND I SHIOPS AT WILD OTES

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

NALGENE IS MY FRIENDSTER

― Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Monday, 2 August 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

----i camp a lot as you can see by my northface

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

inner-city bros be campin'.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 2 August 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/demoncrats666/vegetables.jpg

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/docs/2002/110-3/veggieguy.jpg

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

animal/vegetable/mineral?
http://pages.britishlibrary.net/charles.darwin2/mould_images/4.jpg

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.crownrights.com/books/phantom_organic_evolution_sm.jpg

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

http://evonet.lri.fr/evoweb/images/evoart/penousal-machado/organic-small.jpg

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.unstonegrange.co.uk/images/richclare.jpg

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"OK, so I may look a little 'ghetto' in this puffy number and I stand out in rural connecticut, but this coat is the biggest, warmest, comfiest coat I have ever had. Awesome for gang bangin' with the young republicans. Respect the 700."

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 2 August 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Nalge (makers of the Nalgene water bottles) makes the best laboratory restraints for bunnies and mice.

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 2 August 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.nalgenelabware.com/common/images/products/6500350L.jpg

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

picture mice in all of these
http://www.nalgenelabware.com/common/images/products/6500500L.jpg

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

better yet:
http://www.colorado.edu/StudentGroups/animalrights/nalgene.jpg

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHAHAHA

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

at work, where we sell a lot of nalgene bottles, it amuses me to imagine telling the customers about the bunnies and watching their self-righteous, prog jaws drop.

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 2 August 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I dislike both nalgene and bunnies

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

A is because once I broke one

B is because of Bunnicula

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

actually I dislike rabbits because every time I try to catch one they outrun me.

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

NALGENE BOTTLES ARE MADE FROM MIDEAST OIL WHICH IS MADE FROM THE BLOOD OF IRAQI BABIES

SHOCKING

― Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Monday, 2 August 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

http://zanyvg.overclocked.org/shadowgate/burning.gif

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 2 August 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

what about comments about jews?

like, if you were to say jewlry for example?

is that sort of an ironic racism? or, sort of not really racist per se, but making fun of the concept of racism, ie, being in on the joke?

i think that sort of playful semi-racism (which is still only acceptable when targetted in certain directions), like the ironic homophobia, is kind of a combination at attempts at reclamation through playfulness, combined with a post pc-backlash, a sort of courting of controversy.

i'm not in favour or ironic or tongue in cheek racism myself, i'm still finding it difficult to see it as anythign but insidious, and am unsure about ideas of reclamation, unless from within a given group (same as with the faggot thing, i think), but, what say you?

― ---------------------- (gareth), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i wanted to make that bold, not italics, but, you get the idea

― --c-har-----ltonl--i--d--o--- (gareth), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure what I meant, but I love myself a jew -- IAN!

― Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

VAGINA

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

LARYNX

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure what I meant, but I love myself a jew -- IAN!

"johnson" is the most non-jew name ever

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I am friends with a Jewish guy named J3ff Sm!th.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

IAN'S DAD IS A WASP

― Holy Crap! Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

was he bar mitzvah'd?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

my pal J3ff was.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

you were friends with the frugal gourmet??

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

didn't he3 go down on a kiddy porn beef?

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.besottedwithjeffrey.com/fanlisting/images/image_ed.jpg

― Holy Crap! Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

ROONEY

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

didn't he go down on a kiddie porn beef?

― Holy Crap! Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

didn't he go down with tasty corned beef?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

no, this is a different J3ff Sm!th of probably like what 5 million?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

not this one either:

http://www.jeffsmith2004.com/images/logo.jpg

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/kenjuggle/DCP_2432s.jpg

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 1 November 2004 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush is a faggot. So are his supporters

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 1 November 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

ten months pass...

The faggot icon craze swept through LiveJournal's gay community in 2004, following intervocalic's rant about the word "faggot" being the worst possible thing one could call a homosexual. In response to this, a troll operating under the e-dentity mediacart created an icon which cyclically flashed the word "FAGGOT!" across a photograph of Userinfo.gif (http://www.livejournal.com/users/intervocalic/info)intervocalic (http://www.livejournal.com/users/intervocalic/).

The subsequent demand for such icons by other gay LJ users was such that JeremyJX and rfjason founded the Community.gif (http://www.livejournal.com/community/faggot_icons/info)faggot_icons (http://www.livejournal.com/community/faggot_icons/) community. Soon, the "faggot icon" became the must-own fashion accessory of the Fall / Winter.

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...

i'd never heard of a ghost bike before this thread and then last weekend was walkin through the Loin and saw one. pretty sad

-- team jaxon (jaso...), January 27th, 2006 7:23 PM. (jaxon) (later) (admin)

walking through my loins?

-- cutty (holle...), January 28th, 2006 8:23 PM. (mcutt) (later) (admin)

you're loins are always walking through my mind

-- team jaxon (jaso...), January 28th, 2006 10:15 PM. (jaxon) (later) (admin)

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Sunday, 29 January 2006 03:19 (twenty years ago)

Was gygax! talking about Mills College?

― Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 29 January 2006 03:27 (twenty years ago)

(I really wanted to go there.)

― Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 29 January 2006 03:27 (twenty years ago)

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