MUSIC CRITCS ARE THE ART OF PRETEND FORGETFULLNESS

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i'm gonna get yoo when yoo r sleeping.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 3 March 2005 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Kompakt puts me to sleep

(th-th-th-that's all folks!)

― Sven Bastard (blueski), Thursday, 3 March 2005 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Green Day's American Idiot album as good as the side-long "From The Cradle To The Grave" by the Subhumans? Cuz that Subhumans album is one of my faves. But then they are one of my fave bands. Same idea as Godfather's song "Birth School Work Death" only earlier. Although the Godfathers song is nice too. (But maybe not as nice as "this damn nation".) also, i own Cursive's Domestica, but I only listened to it once. I will have to play it again.

-- scott seward (skotro...) (webmail), March 8th, 2005 2:41 PM. (scott seward) (link)

― green uno skip card (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i saw cursive play with the faint at the unitarian church in philly. i heart subhumans.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i read it in the presskit for Mutant Throbbing Gristle, so i have no idea

-- roger adultery (vlad62...) (webmail), May 9th, 2004 11:33 PM. (roger adultery) (link)

― green uno skip card (ex machina), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i own Cursive's Domestica, but I only listened to it once. I will have to play it again.

not necessarily, dude

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a Cursive song ("Radiator Hums") on my iPod, but I don't know where it came from. I mean, I don't remember downloading it or anything. I like it better now than when I heard Domestica once, five years ago, in a car.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 10 March 2005 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a Cursive song ("Radiator Hums") on my iPod, but I don't know where it came from. I mean, I don't remember downloading it or anything. I like it better now than when I heard Domestica once, five years ago, in a car.

-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), March 10th, 2005 11:35 AM.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 10 March 2005 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 10 March 2005 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.losthorizon.org/Hilton/HiltonRandomHarvest.jpg

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 10 March 2005 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

did we meet, that day?

we should go to that thing in stoke newington

i might go to rusholme again soon, not to eat curry though

i still cant think what this track actually is

-- charltonlido (...) (webmail), March 11th, 2005 1:42 AM. (gareth) (link) (admin) (83.67.46.59)

― green uno skip card (ex machina), Friday, 11 March 2005 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i'll never know either:(

― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 11 March 2005 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder where i actually heard that

― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 11 March 2005 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Dudes, that was intentional!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 11 March 2005 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing I said about Cursive, I mean. It's true, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 11 March 2005 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon first Ash Ra Tempel is a pinnacle of heavy psych guitar. I don't know if I could describe it without listening to it again.

-- Tim Ellison (timelliso...) (webmail), March 13th, 2005 1:00 AM. (Tim Ellison) (link)

― green uno skip card (ex machina), Sunday, 13 March 2005 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I just want to do his riffing justice, man.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 13 March 2005 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Also I was trying to be nice to you there.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 13 March 2005 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

dude there's a ton of Zapp & Roger love in the archive. in my search I even saw a post by you!

-- Al (hoteloper...), May 19th, 2005 9:31 PM. (sitcom) (later)

Oh well, I guess I never noticed (like I said!) Who has time to search all this stuff?? But who cares, I want to know what people think of them anyway!

-- xhuxk (xedd...), May 19th, 2005 9:40 PM. (later)

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...

well, lots of the albums on this list are best-of reissue type things (lee dorsey, george strait, etc).they are still "albums," even if not "proper" ones!

last killing joke i ever liked much was i think *revelations* (or that *ha!* live 10-inch thing, if that counts - i forget which came first). but i know some people have other opinions about the matter!

-- xhuxk (xedd...), June 5th, 2005 10:36 AM.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Sunday, 5 June 2005 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

aww, come on, give the guy a break, he has to listen to a LOT of records

and they are all shit

― charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 5 June 2005 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

hey he just gave me crap for not searching for stuff on that Emotional Rescue thread! the hypocrite.

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 5 June 2005 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks, tofu! if you don't hear from me tomorrow -- i'm forgetful sometimes -- call me.

-- fact checking cuz (factcheckingcu...), June 6th, 2005 10:13 PM.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 6 June 2005 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

is it weird that as soon as chuck eddy recommends something (like frank kogan's book), i lose interest in it?

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone who listens to as many records as Chuck eddy or christgau or others isn't someone whose opinion I take seriously.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 6 June 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"is it weird that as soon as chuck eddy recommends something (like frank kogan's book), i lose interest in it?"

itz not weird too me. yoo hate chuck for some reason.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 June 2005 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Frank writes some longass posts on ILM.

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 6 June 2005 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't hate chuck, i just hate the idea of a psuedo-respected 40something music editor/writer with the rhetorical skills of an ADHD 12-year-old.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, so you hate the "idea" of chuck or what you think he is or represents. not the actual person. is that like loving the sinner and hating the sin?

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

And I'm funnier and SEXIER. xpost

― Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

you jest, jon, but the evidence is there:

http://w1.1361.telia.com/~u136100018/mr.cool.jpg

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

and what's with the "pseudo-respected"? i respect him. plenty of people do. yer projecting. sorry for picking on yer original post. it just seemed like one of the LEAST weird things i could think of.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

no, i was being an idiot and fishing i guess.

but i was surprised at how definitive was my reaction.

"psuedo-respected" is a cryptic way of saying that a few people on ilm come rattling to his defense when he's in an argument, in a vitriolic way that strikes me as strange... but i don't get the sense that he's known or respected very far outside of rock-crit circles. i guess that means "somewhat respected" rather than the vague and condescending "psuedo-respected."

whatever.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i guess the thing is, chuck's way of talking about music (and appreciating it) (i mean "chuck the public persona"--i don't know how chuck actually spends his time or thinks about music in private) seems so narrow and ridiculous to me, like a geir hongro-type thing, and yet he's assumed this position of some influence and stature. that does rile me.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

...in the same way that, say, a really bad editorialist like bob herbert writing for the NYT riles me. although herbert's not the best example....

sorry for the flurry of posts. i feel bad about the obnoxiousness of my first two posts so i guess i felt i owed some explanation, even if i just dig a deeper hole for myself in some eyes.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i think you must respect him somewhat or you wouldn't have spent so much time battling him in the past. if he were just some dood posting on a messageboard you probably wouldn't have tried so hard to refute his every move.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"and yet he's assumed this position of some influence and stature. that does rile me."

ask him sometime what he thinks of his "stature". i swear to god you think about it more then he does. and you bring that attitude into arguments with him instead of just arguing.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

why do you think bob herbert is bad? he's way better than dave brooks or maureen dowd or tom friedman...

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, he wasn't the best example.

i'm not saying chuck goes on about his stature, indeed he seems deliberately to seek to deflate that sort of thing. it's just that i think there a lot of people (a LOT of critics, including some i don't even like much as writers) who could do a lot more with the village voice music pages.... it seems like a missed opportunity to me.

i probably should exit this argument now because i'm feeling sort of bad about it.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

haters hate

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

chumps who get paychecks celebrate

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

"chumps who get paychecks"

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

BACK BACK BACK TO YOUR ALT WEEKLIES!!! BEGONE FROM HERE!!!!!

― Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

not very big paychecks, i should add

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

xhuxkeddy: jackoff all trades
Is it possible that fake reggaeton and dancehall are better than real reggaeton and dancehall?
Slayer seems like the only speed/thrash/metal band to survive the 80s without sounding dated

― Amon (eman), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

hstencil you have a blog

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

yes i do, chuck likes to link to it on the village voice site without giving me compensation or credit.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

so you're a chump without a paycheck

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

....

He did it all for the nookie.

― Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm at work now, doof.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 June 2005 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

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