Marvel Comics blabbery

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Not really about anything, but CBR has a chat transcript with Marvel Editor Tom Brevoort and I snorted with laughter at this exchange, even though I don't know who Rocket Racer is.

Brad Curran: How about Rocket Racer? I'm in a shameless mood, so I'll ask if he's going to be in anything, too.

Tom Brevoort: I'm talking to somebody about Rocket Racer right now.

Cayman: Are you saying "don't ever mention Rocket Racer again if you want to keep working in this town?"

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link

A ZOOM A ZOOM ZOOM

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link

cooooooool

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link

Marvel in the 70s = DC in the 50s.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link

NB: I'm totally wrong.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

where is the goddamn DCU ipad app?

it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:11 (six years ago) link

I'll be surprised if they do an app soon. They just got around to making it non-flash.

I've been using it on the ipad through Safari and it's nice.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:13 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Do we really need a Deadly Hands of Kung Fu revival? It's only been 40 years since the last one...let's give it another 40 to really let the nostalgia build up.

WilliamC, Sunday, 4 May 2014 13:09 (five years ago) link

Will it feature Shang-Chi? Still waiting on a reprint of Master of Kung Fu, which I think has always been scuppered by rights issue to do with the Sax Rohmer characters.

Love some of the Neal Adams covers on DHOKF

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 4 May 2014 13:34 (five years ago) link

I liked Shang Chi as Moench wrote him, but Hickman making him a spaceship-piloting Avenger was a development so wrong-footed it's sort of put me off the entire company, except for Bendis' Miles Morales, Waid's Daredevil and Wilson's Ms. Marvel.

WilliamC, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:13 (five years ago) link

I just don't get the love for Hickman (in some quarters), everything I've read by him has been a dreary mess with no real feel for Marvel history/characters/style. But I'm totally Team Bendis when it comes to the Avengers - the best run on the title since Englehart.

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:27 (five years ago) link

Manhattan Projects is very good, can't really speak for his Marvel work besides a few FF comics which were pretty seemed fun.

tsrobodo, Sunday, 4 May 2014 16:08 (five years ago) link

xxp -- I forgot to mention Soule & Pulido's She-Hulk, which is 1001% fun, and beautiful to look at. Hawkeye has good moments but it's inconsistent.

WilliamC, Friday, 9 May 2014 17:56 (five years ago) link

mmm pretty seemed fun

tsrobodo, Saturday, 10 May 2014 11:31 (five years ago) link

I really like East of West. It's one of the few comics I'm reading month to month anymore.

earlnash, Saturday, 10 May 2014 14:36 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

lol 1985

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br9h7WFCcAEo1fl.jpg

poor Groo :(

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 18:50 (five years ago) link

Groo back issues are hard to come by!

I dunno if I have any anymore but that was a great book.

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 18:59 (five years ago) link

sales must have turned around at some point cuz it had a pretty long run (120 issues?!). I have fond memories of the storylines with his dog, who was even stupider than he was.

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:00 (five years ago) link

yo man, Hama GI Joe was dope can't argue with that
i remember picking up Groo into the late 80s, it went forever

Nhex, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:12 (five years ago) link

these numbers are from may 85... groo's first marvel issue was march that year.

fit and working again, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:22 (five years ago) link

ah that explains it

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:23 (five years ago) link

and yeah, groo was excellent.

fit and working again, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:23 (five years ago) link

Looks as if Groo was the second-highest selling Epic title after the flagship anthology. That's not too shabby, really.

It's hard to imagine Marvel making so much of their bread off of adaptated properties nowadays. Everybody but them seems to have cornered that particular market of late.

The She's The Sheriff Mystery Hour (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 July 2014 20:08 (five years ago) link

Was the New Universe the first time Marvel attempted the alternate, self-contained universe of titles gambit...? Was there any precedent of a similar approach from DC? (DC was pretty explicit about the separate universes, but they didn't have entire titles devoted to alternate universes, did they? At least not until Vertigo?)

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:34 (five years ago) link

I think Marvel (copying 2000 AD and other sort of indie lines) was ahead of DC with Epic and OGNS and whatnot

Nhex, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:35 (five years ago) link

Kirby's Fourth World?

mh, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:36 (five years ago) link

that included Superman/Jimmy Olsen

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:40 (five years ago) link

Epic and OGNS titles weren't related to each other tho. What I mean is something like Ultimates or New Universe, where there was a series of titles that were related to one another, but totally separate from the "regular" continuity.

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:41 (five years ago) link

like, DC didn't have a bunch of Earth-2 titles (right?)

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:42 (five years ago) link

There was All-Star Squadron and that's about it for Earth-2 ongoings.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:47 (five years ago) link

It was the first line produced by Marvel Comics utilizing a pre-conceived shared universe concept.

fit and working again, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:49 (five years ago) link

I have a whole short box of nothing but groo. Can't even get at it rn (lol nyc) but I'm gonna wallow in them again someday.

how will the milf survive? (Jon Lewis), Monday, 7 July 2014 23:04 (five years ago) link

yeah, groo was awesome

i loved groo as a kid. a bit sad that the collections available on amazon are a tad pricey.

The Littlest Boho (stevie), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 06:29 (five years ago) link

Those figures are for postal subscriptions only, rather than newstand or comic book store sales

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 07:36 (five years ago) link

Collections were only ever four issues too iirc, they could have gotten the whole series out if Evanier had switched to fat 12-issue tomes

sales must have turned around at some point

subscription figures aren't necessarily exactly proportionate with newstand and direct sales anyway

i remember picking up Groo into the late 80s, it went forever

it's still going, the last series was in 2010 (and there's a Groo Vs Conan that was due in 2011, but Sergio's illness knocked it off track [and Sakai's family troubles probably aren't helping him speed through it rn])

Looks as if Groo was the second-highest selling Epic title after the flagship anthology. That's not too shabby, really.

can't possibly believe the Heavy Metal knockoff magazine sold more than Elektra

Was the New Universe the first time Marvel attempted the alternate, self-contained universe of titles gambit...? Was there any precedent of a similar approach from DC? (DC was pretty explicit about the separate universes, but they didn't have entire titles devoted to alternate universes, did they? At least not until Vertigo?)

Vertigo wasn't an alternate universe, it was a bunch of DCU and otherwise self-contained books

boney tassel (sic), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 07:39 (five years ago) link

Essential-style, phonebook Groo volumes wld be a winner, no?

Think Conan v Groo is finally coming out this year.

There was All-Star Squadron and that's about it for Earth-2 ongoings.

Before that there was an All Star Comics, also featuring the Earth-2 heroes, but since 'Flash of Two Worlds' DC have never exactly resisted crossovers between the two universes.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 07:54 (five years ago) link

Groo was the first American-style comic I read after a childhood of Tintin and Asterix and The Beano. Anecdotally - it felt like Mad and Groo were much more widely read than the superhero books - maybe a UK thing? There were copies in every newsagent - plus (anecdotally again) it was never just boys who read them.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 11:28 (five years ago) link

Groo was always tough to find in my area (NY), never seemed that popular around here. Probably because of the times (late 80s/early 90s). I was often surprised when I was able to find a copy

Nhex, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 13:48 (five years ago) link

I think I got into Mad magazine as a kid before most comics but never saw Groo on a newsstand and hardly ever in a comics shop.

mh, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 13:58 (five years ago) link

Groo was dead easy to find in the UK, but I always suspected we mainly got the leftover comics that hadn't sold in the US

The Littlest Boho (stevie), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:02 (five years ago) link

Nah. For quite a while, Marvel US would swap a 15 cent (or whatever) front cover price plate for a 10p cover price place at the end of a run of 'colour' comics, so the Marvel titles in newsagents etc were produced specifically for the UK market, although certain titles (eg The Avengers) that had British Marvel equivalents were 'non-distributed' (ie you could only get them as imports.)

http://www.comics.org/issue/1057795/cover/4/

By the time that the cover price included both a US and UK price, comics were distributed to UK specialist shops just a couple of days after they went on sale in America, so not 'leftovers' either.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:12 (five years ago) link

paper is heavy, I would imagine shipping comics overseas was at the bottom of their list of strategies

mh, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:13 (five years ago) link

really? woah, I always imagined when I was reading Marvel obsessively (86-88) that they were imports... thanks for clearing that up, Ward.

The Littlest Boho (stevie), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:27 (five years ago) link

As a kid, I was always fascinated with Marvel comics from the UK whenever some neighborhood kids got their hands on one (usually Action Force, IIRC). Those larger comics with the different paper stock felt like alien artifacts. Even later, non-tabloid stuff like Knights of Pendragon looked so much different from what I was used to (which was largely due to what I think might've been a completely different color process than what was standard in most US Marvel books at the time).

The She's The Sheriff Mystery Hour (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:38 (five years ago) link

I have mixed feelings on Kieron Gillen's recent Iron Man run, but using a couple Marvel UK characters (Death's Head and Dark Angel) was kind of entertaining

mh, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:53 (five years ago) link

Stevie, I hope you won't mind if I make things a little clearer, still

The small, colour Marvel comics were always technically 'imports', in that they were printed and published in America. When Marvel comics were first imported to the UK, they would have a cents price on them and over that t UK price stamp, normally bearing a T&P insignia, which stood for the British distributors Thorpe and Porter Lrd. The comics were brought over to this country by sea mail.

At some point in the early 1970s, Marvel in America began to print a certain amount of their color comics with a UK pence price, rather than a cents price. This was done at the end of the printing process, a simple matter of swapping a printing plate, but it meant that UK pence copies traditionally have had shittier printing, more colour mis-alignment etc, which may have contributed to your impression that these comics were somehow 'leftovers'. They are generally deemed less collectible than the 'real' cents comics. But they were American Marvels, printed and published in the US and imported here.

Not every American Marvel title was officially distributed in the UK (these comics are known in British collector circles as 'ND' - not distributed - comics.) When the British Marvel titles kicked off in the 1970s, reprinting the American comics in larger size, black and white (or two colour) weekly editions, lots of the series featured in these UK Marvel titles - Spider-Man, Hulk, Avengers etc - were removed from UK distribution, so as not to distract from the UK sales, or confuse readers with stories from vastly different time periods. The only way for a UK reader to acquire these ND comics would be to subscribe, visit America, order them via a mail order dealer either at home or in America, or buy them from one a dedicated comic book store, like Dark They Were and Golden Eyed in London. Distribution of the Marvel Comics with British prices was always extremely patchy, but there's no evidence that any particular titles were 'dumped' on the UK market.

Again, at some point in the 1980s, Marvel began to print only one version of their American colour comics, with both an American and British (and Canadian) price on the front. These titles would be imported in large quantities by air to UK comic shops, typically going on sale just a couple of days after they went on sale in America. Or you could wait a month or so and buy pretty much every Marvel or DC as a slightly cheaper (cover) price, sea-freighted and officially distributed to newsagents and even comic shops.

Looking at a gallery of Groo covers, it seems that the first one with a joint US/UK price was issue 16, cover dated June 1986:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/groo-the-wanderer/16-1.jpg

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 20:18 (five years ago) link

Yeah, whatever your opinion of his work generally, I think most would agree that you're not gonna get much out of any individual Bendis issue.

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Saturday, 10 August 2019 02:58 (one week ago) link

if you like his banter and plotting style, his stuff becomes like comfort food

Nhex, Saturday, 10 August 2019 04:02 (one week ago) link

Bendis team books are uniformly awful, aren't they?

His Avengers run from Disassembled -> New Avengers -> House of M -> Civil War (not by him, but it's important) -> Mighty Avengers -> Secret Invasion -> Dark Avengers -> Siege at least kinda manages to tell one coherent overarching story. That page is at the end of that. After that, he just sorta continued with no ideas and it's shit.

Frederik B, Saturday, 10 August 2019 09:58 (one week ago) link

I do agree that post-Siege a lot of his mainstream Marvel stuff was weak (though I think Ultimate Doomsday was around this time and fantastic, not to mention he continued to do Ultimate Spidey/Miles Morales which was obviously good). Didn't like his Guardians at all, DID very much like his time-displaced teen All-New X-Men. I did recently enjoy the post-Secret Wars Infamous Iron Man storyline as well. Civil War II was a waste.

Like every successful comic book writer, he just got spread way too thin, tried to do too much - I imagine they all reach this point where they figure they gotta grab the money while it's available, given the industry's lack of long-term support. It's happening now to Dan Slott and Tom King too. (Hell, even now, Bendis is publishing a gazillion creator-owned titles he wrote during his Marvel tenure that they wouldn't publish while doing two Superman titles and editing a teen group sub-label at DC.)

Nhex, Saturday, 10 August 2019 14:58 (one week ago) link

With the billions of dollars Marvel comics is bringing in through it's exploitation in other media, there should really have been a way to siphon some of that money off to the most loyal writers. I mean, nobody is ever going to give up any rights, but it's weird that the Brubaker tv work is making a weird art series with Refn, instead of just placing him in a 'advisory' role on the Winter Soldier and Falcon show. In the long run, everyone would profit off of that, I would think.

Frederik B, Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:09 (one week ago) link

have you only just heard of Marvel Comics?

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 10 August 2019 16:12 (one week ago) link

Eh, I think the real answer as to why they'd never do this is the influence Geoff Johns had over the DC Universe...

Frederik B, Saturday, 10 August 2019 16:57 (one week ago) link

Geoff Johns’ influence over the DC universe is definitely the reason that Steve Ditko quit Spider-Man.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 10 August 2019 17:01 (one week ago) link

No, it was a dispute over residuals from the Spider-Man tv show.

Frederik B, Saturday, 10 August 2019 17:15 (one week ago) link

🤔

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 10 August 2019 17:17 (one week ago) link

every large publicly held corporation’s goal is to extract the maximum value from all assets (including employees) while not spending a dollar more than necessary, and seldom questioning whether changes in process or incentives could make them more effective

I’m also pretty sure the corporate way of retaining popular writers for longer would be to give the top level of management more money if they improved the retention rate

untuned mass damper (mh), Saturday, 10 August 2019 22:53 (one week ago) link

imagine how many promotions Didio would have received in the last 15 years if he actually did his job well

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:29 (one week ago) link

(Whatever happened to that New Mutants movie that was being developed; is that still on?)

― Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Friday, June 14, 2019 11:46 AM (one month ago)

The film is mentioned in that article.

― Tuomas, Friday, June 14, 2019 11:54 AM (one month ago)

Update here:

Disney is optimistic that handing Fox superhero properties such as “Fantastic Four” and “X-Men” to Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige will improve the quality of these movies, but bumps must be smoothed over in that transition. The studio is unimpressed with “New Mutants,” an “X-Men” spinoff with a haunted-house vibe, and believes it has limited box office potential.

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:03 (one week ago) link

Well okay, after expressing my general lack of enthusiasm for Deadpool over in the Liefeld thread, I see that they've announced that Kelly Thompson will be writing the latest iteration of his title. She's low-key doing some of the best work at Marvel rn so I guess I'm onboard.

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:56 (one week ago) link

http://www.tcj.com/it-is-time-to-boycott-marvel/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:17 (one week ago) link

(i know, fantagraphics piece on leaving marvel is very dog bites man but still)

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:17 (one week ago) link

Why is Disney mentioned zero times in that editorial.

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:30 (one week ago) link

I was gonna say... I think Perlmutter's involvement in Marvel is totally gross, but I guess you could just as truthfully point out that Bob Iger is "making bank" off Marvel product, and he's a big Democratic contributor.

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:35 (one week ago) link

comments go into that with some vigor

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:38 (one week ago) link

My uninformed sense is that Disney would be thrilled to give Perlmutter the boot but can't for reasons I'm sure only sic knows.

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:05 (one week ago) link

but I guess you could just as truthfully point out that Bob Iger is "making bank" off Marvel product

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/evandorkin/781303/165826/165826_600.jpg

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:02 (one week ago) link

Wrong company, how embarrassing 4 u

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:06 (one week ago) link

give it a year or two

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:13 (one week ago) link

When will the "Marvel vs. DC" movie happen

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:35 (one week ago) link

xxp (?) I'm not rationalizing or arguing that anyone should buy Marvel product if they don't want to (if that's what you're implying by posting that strip), just pointing out that the logic of the editorial cuts both ways.

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:40 (one week ago) link

Disney has only owned Marvel for ten years; Perlmutter forced out Perelman after the suicide-by-Heroes-World.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:46 (one week ago) link

(and continues to impose his bathroom / paperclip / warehouse policies that individual ppl did or didn't count as boycott prompts pre-Disney, as well as the labour policies that Marvel has run on forever)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:48 (one week ago) link

Sounds like you're writing your own editorial (and probably a better one).

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 15 August 2019 20:05 (one week ago) link

RJ is 3-for-3 on editorials where I agree with the principles, but think the details are insufficiently elucidated to argue those principles to people who might not typically assess spending options against such frameworks.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 15 August 2019 20:18 (one week ago) link

Such a boycott would hurt Your Favorite Creator far more than any CEO, sadly. (And really, who's gonna drop all Disney, Star Wars AND Marvel properties?)

Nhex, Friday, 16 August 2019 00:46 (one week ago) link

Raises hand

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 August 2019 00:55 (one week ago) link

Its not really that hard

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 August 2019 00:55 (one week ago) link

I've tried to buy my twice-a-decade Marvel comic two months in a row now. Last Jedi was the first Star War I saw since Caravan Of Courage. I do watch most Pixars tho

Such a boycott would hurt Your Favorite Creator far more than any CEO, sadly

this is absolute nonsense though, My Favourite Creator is much better served by my buying the work that they own and control

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 01:10 (one week ago) link

ok so the last Marvel comic I bought was Strange Tales II

I have bought other comics by Nick Bertozzi and Thien Pham and Kate Beaton and Jillian Tamaki and (in anthologies) Shannon Wheeler and Frank Santoro and Kevin Huizenga and Dash Shaw and Nicholas Gurewitch and Xaime Hernandez and Beto and Jeffrey Brown and Paul Hornschemier and Tony Millionaire and David Heatley and James Stokoe and Ben Marra and Michael Deforge, but I have not bought any other Marvel comics by any of these cartoonists

I HAVE bought other Marvel comics coloured by Laura Allred, but only as a package deal

I bought one (1) other Marvel comic by Farel Dalrymple, vs ten or so of his own comics, and I bought the $5 digest of Ty Templeton's Spider-Man / Human Torch: I'm With Stupid.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 01:22 (one week ago) link

(wait Strange Tales aside I guess I bought a couple of Roger Langridge comics from Marvel c. 2009-10 as well. I declined to buy the deluxe hardcover collection of his Muppet comics that came out after Disney bought Marvel, though, because they would not pay him. it's honestly really easy to make decisions like that!)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 01:26 (one week ago) link

If only we could do both. Alas, I have pledged unyielding allegiance to the House of Mouse, apologies to all of those b&w books by depressed people about...I dunno, their feet or whatever.

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:00 (one week ago) link

(I'm pretty sure I've bought Los Bros a car each given the number of times I've repurchased the same stories in a different format.)

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:02 (one week ago) link

If only we could do both.

it’s only a small point of order, but I don’t think you technically can both boycott and not boycott the same product

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:31 (one week ago) link

I was talking about supporting a creator's corporate and independent work simultaneously, ya goof, but I suspect you could've grokked that without my assistance.

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:53 (one week ago) link

I guess I’ve really been letting Kate Beaton and Frank Santoro and Kevin Huizenga and Dash Shaw and Nicholas Gurewitch and Xaime Hernandez and Beto and Paul Hornschemier and Tony Millionaire and David Heatley and James Stokoe and Ben Marra and Michael Deforge down by not supporting all the work they’ve done for Marvel since October 2010

I already didn’t buy all of Jeffrey Brown’s Star Wars books before Disney bought Lucasfilm, though

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 07:21 (one week ago) link

Fantagraphics promoted a similar boycott when Marvel were insisting Jack Kirby sign a disgraceful contract before they returned any of his original artwork to him. These things are hard to quantify, but I think it did have some effect (on public opinion/perception if nothing else) - at least, Marvel eventually caved in iirc. Of course the stakes are quite different now, but at the very least, public opposition to Perlmutter and what he stands for can't do any harm.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 16 August 2019 08:00 (one week ago) link

I guess I’ve really been letting Kate Beaton and Frank Santoro and Kevin Huizenga and Dash Shaw and Nicholas Gurewitch and Xaime Hernandez and Beto and Paul Hornschemier and Tony Millionaire and David Heatley and James Stokoe and Ben Marra and Michael Deforge down by not supporting all the work they’ve done for Marvel since October 2010

I mean you can see how your case might be enhanced if your position was, “I Love Marvel stuff but refuse to buy it on principle,” rather than “I’m boycotting something that causes me no pain.”

Like I guess we’re supposed to just laugh at the Batman fan in the strip, “what a buffoon,” but his is the position that we identify with (as fans) — we all know what it’s like when you “gotta have your” (something).

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Friday, 16 August 2019 14:47 (one week ago) link

I only buy Batman works that degrade or render the character ridiculous, hoping to cause an accelerationist death spiral of increasingly untenable Batman content that slowly dissolves the franchise, and even DC/WB itself, from within

untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 16 August 2019 15:11 (one week ago) link

I mean, you'd have to go some distance to outpace DC's efforts there, and still..

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 16 August 2019 15:13 (one week ago) link

lest someone think I was being literal, that was completely tongue in cheek

I do look forward to future Batman efforts by Frank Miller and Neal Adams, though

untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 16 August 2019 15:24 (one week ago) link

I would go so far as to say, I honestly don’t give a shit if my mainstream comics purchases have a negative
political or ecological footprints for the industry and the world beyond. It’s a tiny industry. I support and pay for independent creators on a monthly basis. I’m okay with junk food.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 17 August 2019 00:04 (six days ago) link

I mean you can see how your case might be enhanced if your position was, “I Love Marvel stuff but refuse to buy it on principle,” rather than “I’m boycotting something that causes me no pain.”

Like I guess we’re supposed to just laugh at the Batman fan in the strip, “what a buffoon,” but his is the position that we identify with (as fans) — we all know what it’s like when you “gotta have your” (something).

Thanks for putting it this way. I couldn't really figure out the words to make this argument, but basically - yeah. If you're on this board reading and contributing to this thread, you probably care at least a little about the comic books, the characters and the artists making them. If not, so be it! But then you're already unaffected by what's going on Marvel/DC. So... why even chime in?

Nhex, Saturday, 17 August 2019 00:40 (six days ago) link

Because it's important to express an opinion when you have one.

Marvel will outlast fucking Perlmutter. It'll probably outlast its current corporate steward once Feige leaves and the movies start to suck shit and lose money. I'm firmly on board until they start regularly pissing all over themselves a la DC. And I will somehow still muster the will and the wherewithal to read and support (*gasp* *choke*) independent comics and their creators. It's a weird wild wonderful world.

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:43 (six days ago) link

Nobody brought up shitting on indie comics at all.

Nhex, Saturday, 17 August 2019 04:48 (six days ago) link


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