Marvel Comics blabbery

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where is the goddamn DCU ipad app?

I'll be surprised if they do an app soon. They just got around to making it non-flash.

I've been using it on the ipad through Safari and it's nice.

Do we really need a Deadly Hands of Kung Fu revival? It's only been 40 years since the last one...let's give it another 40 to really let the nostalgia build up.

Will it feature Shang-Chi? Still waiting on a reprint of Master of Kung Fu, which I think has always been scuppered by rights issue to do with the Sax Rohmer characters.

Love some of the Neal Adams covers on DHOKF

Apparently so.

http://www.newsarama.com/20285-shang-chi-strikes-in-marvel-s-new-deadly-hands-of-kung-fu-series.html

I liked Shang Chi as Moench wrote him, but Hickman making him a spaceship-piloting Avenger was a development so wrong-footed it's sort of put me off the entire company, except for Bendis' Miles Morales, Waid's Daredevil and Wilson's Ms. Marvel.

I just don't get the love for Hickman (in some quarters), everything I've read by him has been a dreary mess with no real feel for Marvel history/characters/style. But I'm totally Team Bendis when it comes to the Avengers - the best run on the title since Englehart.

Manhattan Projects is very good, can't really speak for his Marvel work besides a few FF comics which were pretty seemed fun.

xxp -- I forgot to mention Soule & Pulido's She-Hulk, which is 1001% fun, and beautiful to look at. Hawkeye has good moments but it's inconsistent.

mmm pretty seemed fun

I really like East of West. It's one of the few comics I'm reading month to month anymore.

lol 1985

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br9h7WFCcAEo1fl.jpg

poor Groo :(

Groo back issues are hard to come by!

I dunno if I have any anymore but that was a great book.

sales must have turned around at some point cuz it had a pretty long run (120 issues?!). I have fond memories of the storylines with his dog, who was even stupider than he was.

yo man, Hama GI Joe was dope can't argue with that
i remember picking up Groo into the late 80s, it went forever

these numbers are from may 85... groo's first marvel issue was march that year.

ah that explains it

and yeah, groo was excellent.

Looks as if Groo was the second-highest selling Epic title after the flagship anthology. That's not too shabby, really.

It's hard to imagine Marvel making so much of their bread off of adaptated properties nowadays. Everybody but them seems to have cornered that particular market of late.

Was the New Universe the first time Marvel attempted the alternate, self-contained universe of titles gambit...? Was there any precedent of a similar approach from DC? (DC was pretty explicit about the separate universes, but they didn't have entire titles devoted to alternate universes, did they? At least not until Vertigo?)

I think Marvel (copying 2000 AD and other sort of indie lines) was ahead of DC with Epic and OGNS and whatnot

Kirby's Fourth World?

that included Superman/Jimmy Olsen

Epic and OGNS titles weren't related to each other tho. What I mean is something like Ultimates or New Universe, where there was a series of titles that were related to one another, but totally separate from the "regular" continuity.

like, DC didn't have a bunch of Earth-2 titles (right?)

There was All-Star Squadron and that's about it for Earth-2 ongoings.

It was the first line produced by Marvel Comics utilizing a pre-conceived shared universe concept.

I have a whole short box of nothing but groo. Can't even get at it rn (lol nyc) but I'm gonna wallow in them again someday.

yeah, groo was awesome

i loved groo as a kid. a bit sad that the collections available on amazon are a tad pricey.

Those figures are for postal subscriptions only, rather than newstand or comic book store sales

Collections were only ever four issues too iirc, they could have gotten the whole series out if Evanier had switched to fat 12-issue tomes

sales must have turned around at some point

subscription figures aren't necessarily exactly proportionate with newstand and direct sales anyway

i remember picking up Groo into the late 80s, it went forever

it's still going, the last series was in 2010 (and there's a Groo Vs Conan that was due in 2011, but Sergio's illness knocked it off track [and Sakai's family troubles probably aren't helping him speed through it rn])

Looks as if Groo was the second-highest selling Epic title after the flagship anthology. That's not too shabby, really.

can't possibly believe the Heavy Metal knockoff magazine sold more than Elektra

Was the New Universe the first time Marvel attempted the alternate, self-contained universe of titles gambit...? Was there any precedent of a similar approach from DC? (DC was pretty explicit about the separate universes, but they didn't have entire titles devoted to alternate universes, did they? At least not until Vertigo?)

Vertigo wasn't an alternate universe, it was a bunch of DCU and otherwise self-contained books

Essential-style, phonebook Groo volumes wld be a winner, no?

Think Conan v Groo is finally coming out this year.

There was All-Star Squadron and that's about it for Earth-2 ongoings.

Before that there was an All Star Comics, also featuring the Earth-2 heroes, but since 'Flash of Two Worlds' DC have never exactly resisted crossovers between the two universes.

Groo was the first American-style comic I read after a childhood of Tintin and Asterix and The Beano. Anecdotally - it felt like Mad and Groo were much more widely read than the superhero books - maybe a UK thing? There were copies in every newsagent - plus (anecdotally again) it was never just boys who read them.

Groo was always tough to find in my area (NY), never seemed that popular around here. Probably because of the times (late 80s/early 90s). I was often surprised when I was able to find a copy

I think I got into Mad magazine as a kid before most comics but never saw Groo on a newsstand and hardly ever in a comics shop.

Groo was dead easy to find in the UK, but I always suspected we mainly got the leftover comics that hadn't sold in the US

Nah. For quite a while, Marvel US would swap a 15 cent (or whatever) front cover price plate for a 10p cover price place at the end of a run of 'colour' comics, so the Marvel titles in newsagents etc were produced specifically for the UK market, although certain titles (eg The Avengers) that had British Marvel equivalents were 'non-distributed' (ie you could only get them as imports.)

http://www.comics.org/issue/1057795/cover/4/

By the time that the cover price included both a US and UK price, comics were distributed to UK specialist shops just a couple of days after they went on sale in America, so not 'leftovers' either.

paper is heavy, I would imagine shipping comics overseas was at the bottom of their list of strategies

really? woah, I always imagined when I was reading Marvel obsessively (86-88) that they were imports... thanks for clearing that up, Ward.

As a kid, I was always fascinated with Marvel comics from the UK whenever some neighborhood kids got their hands on one (usually Action Force, IIRC). Those larger comics with the different paper stock felt like alien artifacts. Even later, non-tabloid stuff like Knights of Pendragon looked so much different from what I was used to (which was largely due to what I think might've been a completely different color process than what was standard in most US Marvel books at the time).

I have mixed feelings on Kieron Gillen's recent Iron Man run, but using a couple Marvel UK characters (Death's Head and Dark Angel) was kind of entertaining

Stevie, I hope you won't mind if I make things a little clearer, still

The small, colour Marvel comics were always technically 'imports', in that they were printed and published in America. When Marvel comics were first imported to the UK, they would have a cents price on them and over that t UK price stamp, normally bearing a T&P insignia, which stood for the British distributors Thorpe and Porter Lrd. The comics were brought over to this country by sea mail.

At some point in the early 1970s, Marvel in America began to print a certain amount of their color comics with a UK pence price, rather than a cents price. This was done at the end of the printing process, a simple matter of swapping a printing plate, but it meant that UK pence copies traditionally have had shittier printing, more colour mis-alignment etc, which may have contributed to your impression that these comics were somehow 'leftovers'. They are generally deemed less collectible than the 'real' cents comics. But they were American Marvels, printed and published in the US and imported here.

Not every American Marvel title was officially distributed in the UK (these comics are known in British collector circles as 'ND' - not distributed - comics.) When the British Marvel titles kicked off in the 1970s, reprinting the American comics in larger size, black and white (or two colour) weekly editions, lots of the series featured in these UK Marvel titles - Spider-Man, Hulk, Avengers etc - were removed from UK distribution, so as not to distract from the UK sales, or confuse readers with stories from vastly different time periods. The only way for a UK reader to acquire these ND comics would be to subscribe, visit America, order them via a mail order dealer either at home or in America, or buy them from one a dedicated comic book store, like Dark They Were and Golden Eyed in London. Distribution of the Marvel Comics with British prices was always extremely patchy, but there's no evidence that any particular titles were 'dumped' on the UK market.

Again, at some point in the 1980s, Marvel began to print only one version of their American colour comics, with both an American and British (and Canadian) price on the front. These titles would be imported in large quantities by air to UK comic shops, typically going on sale just a couple of days after they went on sale in America. Or you could wait a month or so and buy pretty much every Marvel or DC as a slightly cheaper (cover) price, sea-freighted and officially distributed to newsagents and even comic shops.

Looking at a gallery of Groo covers, it seems that the first one with a joint US/UK price was issue 16, cover dated June 1986:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/groo-the-wanderer/16-1.jpg

I'm still wondering what it could actually be!

prediction: Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur remains a cult fave (such as any Marvel/DC comic isn't cult at this point), the Daredevil event is well-received and does pretty good (but not X-Men core or Spidey numbers), the Wolverine story disappoints fans, the rest are flops, all are washed away and forgotten by next summer

Marvel sales are probably going to take a hit this winter, the new distribution deal is making it both harder to order and more expensive for everyone but tiny accounts so fewer people seem willing to take a risk on what they're pumping out.

Timeless

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/Goldie_Timeless.jpg

“Wash… away… the tears”

what the fuck

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/joe-bennett-apologises-over-immortal-hulk-43-anti-semitic-error/

― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Thursday, February 4, 2021 2:28 AM (six months ago) bookmarkflaglink

So about that...

looked it up to see what it is he did and apparently it includes straight up fanart of bolsonaro beheading political opponents, so yeah fuck this joe bennett guy pic.twitter.com/uTzSIvi2wu

— Zuk (@garaboldin) September 1, 2021

Al Ewing did offer a public apology and severance of his relationship with Bennett.

There’s an image doing the rounds that Joe Bennett drew back in 2017. I won’t link to it, but I have seen it, and it’s reprehensible. Thread follows. /1

— Al Ewing Writes Comics (@Al_Ewing) September 2, 2021

That's a shame, I loved his contributions to Immortal Hulk.
Also: Al is short for Alasdair???

Marvel Unlimited finally redesigned their app!!!!

Except it’s… worse? Like… much worse? The design is a little more modern, and it crashes less, but it’s now entirely geared to new readers (which is fine!) but they’ve also killed off all the search filtering, so create digging — while not impossible — is really annoying now. If you want to find, say, Claremont’s 80s work, you have to start at 2021 and scroll down dozens of pages of icons until you reach 1980 - except the dates of publication aren’t listed anymore, just the tittle and issue number.

Wolk's book is out TODAY

was gonna post that yesterday re wolk's book
barreled through it last night and had a ton of fun
reading about the impetus for project was very moving and sweet

decided to see how reviews were and was happy fellow comics nerd junot diaz was the Times reviewer, was thinking of him when reading the book as was delighted when first read brief wondrous life of oscar wao to read all the footnotes showing off his marvel geekery (and just the use of footnotes took me back to reading marvel comics) - tons of fun footnotes in this book too

diaz review here https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/books/review/douglas-wolk-all-of-the-marvels.html

last issue of the Al Ewing-written Hulk’s out today

Have enjoyed The Immortal Hulk a lot, though favorite persona is the gentle, misunderstood, Trimpe-era Hulk. Each time I watch "Ant-Man", when he first shrinks to the quantum realm, wish fulfillment has me spotting a Jarella civilization on the way down.

Really looking forward to this! I remember Wolk's bulletin board from a few years back, where they read and discussed a Marvel comic every day - was exhausting and impossible to keep up (sadly) so I'm looking forward to this more digestible version.

Wolk’s book already under attack from the Marvel Method crew on FB for giving Stan Lee undue credit as per usual.

Not actually the case afaict. Unless folks are just getting their dander up because Wolk gives Lee any credit.

Book's a pretty fun ride so far, although quite a bit more slight than I'd hoped. Ironically, it's probably better suited for those who aren't as steeped in Marvel lore.

Marvel changes the Punisher's logo: https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/punisher-new-skull-logo-debuts-surprising-marvel-comic-series/

Eh, this one isn't even pretending to be a permanent change. call me if they really decide to go ACAB

that's pretty obviously just his "I'm working for the ninja death cult" look

is it the skull of a bull?

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/d/d9/Beast_%28Demon%29_%28Earth-616%29_from_Elektra_Assassin_Vol_1_1_001.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20100421205349

looks like the version of The Beast, the demon that the Hand follow. If the image link works, it’ll show the Elektra: Assassin version

eh no luck, it’s halfway down this page

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Beast_(Demon)_(Earth-616)

RIP Tom Palmer, for my money the greatest comic book inker of all time.

https://www.tcj.com/an-interview-with-tom-palmer/

Ike Perlmutter has been "laid off" by Disney.

Perlmutter gives interview to sympathetic folks @ WSJ

Don’t know if this goes under Marvel or Fanta, but it’s cool: https://www.marvel.com/articles/culture-lifestyle/fantagraphics-rediscovers-the-wonders-of-marvel-s-atlas-comics

Thought the thread revive wld be for this major scholarly work

https://www.marvel.com/articles/culture-lifestyle/abrams-books-marvel-value-stamps-a-visual-history-roy-thomas-charles-kochman-interview

LOL @ that cut-up spread of Stan.

xp Hmm interesting that Marvel didn't want to bother with this themselves

I cut out all those fuckin' stamps and taped them together on my wall, thereby effectively ruining a huge number of books. Seems like Marvel could have come up with a less destructive way to get people to be completists.

a win for them - if you're a true completist you'd have to buy even more copies!

Those Atlas reissues from proper scans are long overdue, I thought I might have to wait much longer. Surprised Fantagraphics are doing it but they already did Disney books so there's no real leap. That Maneely book is 75 dollars though.

the Artists Library series are at a larger trim size and on fancier paper than the regular Atlas Library — probably more like the EC Bradbury book from last year

I really like Archangel's blue/pink costume (especially when he let his bright yellow hair out), can't find anything more than a suggestion that Walt Simonson designed it. I also really like the Spiderman 2099 costume and it has similar colours/design.

Only (barely) related – I dug this costume redesign, but think it only lasted for a minute(?):

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/6/63/X-Factor_Vol_1_26.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/329?cb=20180228041215

(Hmm... the one time I don't test my shit out in the "html test" thread...)

Why come this never happened: 

Hello. We're X-Factor, here to capture the dangerous mutant you've identified in the area.
"Huh... you're a red-headed lady and a guy wearing AmberVision glasses, with a big 'X' on your jumpsuits. You look a lot like, y'know, that famous mutant team that's always in the news..."
Yes, it's a coincidence. What are the odds. Anyway, sometimes the lady covers her hair with a hat. Lead us to the mutant threat, please.

Oh, and the blond gentleman just has a really thick back. Those aren't folded wings. Why would you think that.

hello yes this is marvel girl she’s back. the fact my wife is identical to her is weird and awkward. hope we resolve this in the next few dozen issues

Out of nowhere (at least to me), Hickman and Hitch are writing a new Ultimate mini-series this week, which is apparently going to Kick Off Big Things.

The issue itself follows directly on from Secret Wars and nothing much happens, but it's quite good (won't spoil).

I wonder -- is this Hickman's thing, now? Instead of writing yearslong epics, he starts a story with a bang, pisses off, and gives it to someone less interesting to finish.

I am a completist by nature and this is a very bad quality to have with comics. I read ALL the Swamp Things and there is not a lot to recommend after Moore.

I'm currently trapped in She-Hulk. I got through Savage She-Hulk which was fine for being a dopey old comic. The Byrne stuff was good sometimes but the breaking the 4th wall eventually got tiring. I realized after reading the Byrne omnibus that there was an entire chunk missing when he left for a while. I'm reading those now and it's a slog. A good bit is written by Steve (Howard Duck) Gerber and it tries way too hard to be clever. The stuff in between Gerber and Byrne's return is dreck. Soon I'll get into more modern stuff and I'm hoping that will pick up a little.

I am a completist by nature and this is a very bad quality to have with comics.

Oh man, feeling u...

I read ALL the Swamp Things and there is not a lot to recommend after Moore.

No longer feeling u! Veitch 4 life (although I realize I'm in a serious minority for believing it to be one of the greatest comics runs of all time).

Veitch wasn’t great, but he was waaaay better than what came afterwards. The idea of Nancy Collins ST sounds good, but nope. The idea of teenage ST daughter sounds good, but nooooope.

Yes, both of those runs were terrible. Not-so-secretly love the Wheeler run, though.

Veitch run is great, Millar run frequently approaches competency.

about the Hickman bit?

he did the x-men thing for a couple years. exiting seemed planned, he was just setting up a much different status quo

the ultimate thingy seems less like a secret wars continuation than a backdoor way to return to his ultimate universe master plan imo


in other Marvel news, is that spider-man plot cycle they’re going through right now as bad as it seems? barely checked it out but it seems like “well, we have to explain the crazy shit that started the flash-forward in time status quo and just made up something”

the internet theory is that they intended to kill off MJ and chickened out at the last minute leading to some weird, but pro-corporate synergy choices.

The Spencer run had some similar meddling, seemed like they were finally about to undo the One More Day thing and then... nothing, run ended. Also had a crazy super retcon finale arc that was very strange. Followed by an odd stop-gap year with Ben Reilly returning temporarily ("Beyond")

I'm ride or die for the Millar Swamp Thing, which is not challenging Moore for the best Swamp Thing, but is definitely the best Millar.

Yeah the last Spider-Man run is not good. It’s like Spider-Man is Marvel’s Superman, they’re always breaking the status quo for no particular reason, perpetually whiffing it

I still haven’t read Moore’s run. I really should…

Oh man, it's the best.

I was not very pleased w/the last Spider-Woman series (though I bought all the trades), but I am pleased to see a new one (with different creative team) is coming: https://www.fandompost.com/2023/08/08/marvel-comics-sets-new-spider-woman-solo-series/

Jess is my favorite character, fwiw