Marvel Comics blabbery

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Not really about anything, but CBR has a chat transcript with Marvel Editor Tom Brevoort and I snorted with laughter at this exchange, even though I don't know who Rocket Racer is.

Brad Curran: How about Rocket Racer? I'm in a shameless mood, so I'll ask if he's going to be in anything, too.

Tom Brevoort: I'm talking to somebody about Rocket Racer right now.

Cayman: Are you saying "don't ever mention Rocket Racer again if you want to keep working in this town?"

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link

A ZOOM A ZOOM ZOOM

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link

cooooooool

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Marvel in the 70s = DC in the 50s.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link

NB: I'm totally wrong.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

where is the goddamn DCU ipad app?

it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:11 (seven years ago) link

I'll be surprised if they do an app soon. They just got around to making it non-flash.

I've been using it on the ipad through Safari and it's nice.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:13 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Do we really need a Deadly Hands of Kung Fu revival? It's only been 40 years since the last one...let's give it another 40 to really let the nostalgia build up.

WilliamC, Sunday, 4 May 2014 13:09 (six years ago) link

Will it feature Shang-Chi? Still waiting on a reprint of Master of Kung Fu, which I think has always been scuppered by rights issue to do with the Sax Rohmer characters.

Love some of the Neal Adams covers on DHOKF

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 4 May 2014 13:34 (six years ago) link

I liked Shang Chi as Moench wrote him, but Hickman making him a spaceship-piloting Avenger was a development so wrong-footed it's sort of put me off the entire company, except for Bendis' Miles Morales, Waid's Daredevil and Wilson's Ms. Marvel.

WilliamC, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:13 (six years ago) link

I just don't get the love for Hickman (in some quarters), everything I've read by him has been a dreary mess with no real feel for Marvel history/characters/style. But I'm totally Team Bendis when it comes to the Avengers - the best run on the title since Englehart.

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:27 (six years ago) link

Manhattan Projects is very good, can't really speak for his Marvel work besides a few FF comics which were pretty seemed fun.

tsrobodo, Sunday, 4 May 2014 16:08 (six years ago) link

xxp -- I forgot to mention Soule & Pulido's She-Hulk, which is 1001% fun, and beautiful to look at. Hawkeye has good moments but it's inconsistent.

WilliamC, Friday, 9 May 2014 17:56 (six years ago) link

mmm pretty seemed fun

tsrobodo, Saturday, 10 May 2014 11:31 (six years ago) link

I really like East of West. It's one of the few comics I'm reading month to month anymore.

earlnash, Saturday, 10 May 2014 14:36 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

lol 1985

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br9h7WFCcAEo1fl.jpg

poor Groo :(

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 18:50 (six years ago) link

Groo back issues are hard to come by!

I dunno if I have any anymore but that was a great book.

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 18:59 (six years ago) link

sales must have turned around at some point cuz it had a pretty long run (120 issues?!). I have fond memories of the storylines with his dog, who was even stupider than he was.

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:00 (six years ago) link

yo man, Hama GI Joe was dope can't argue with that
i remember picking up Groo into the late 80s, it went forever

Nhex, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:12 (six years ago) link

these numbers are from may 85... groo's first marvel issue was march that year.

fit and working again, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:22 (six years ago) link

ah that explains it

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:23 (six years ago) link

and yeah, groo was excellent.

fit and working again, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:23 (six years ago) link

Looks as if Groo was the second-highest selling Epic title after the flagship anthology. That's not too shabby, really.

It's hard to imagine Marvel making so much of their bread off of adaptated properties nowadays. Everybody but them seems to have cornered that particular market of late.

The She's The Sheriff Mystery Hour (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 July 2014 20:08 (six years ago) link

Was the New Universe the first time Marvel attempted the alternate, self-contained universe of titles gambit...? Was there any precedent of a similar approach from DC? (DC was pretty explicit about the separate universes, but they didn't have entire titles devoted to alternate universes, did they? At least not until Vertigo?)

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:34 (six years ago) link

I think Marvel (copying 2000 AD and other sort of indie lines) was ahead of DC with Epic and OGNS and whatnot

Nhex, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:35 (six years ago) link

Kirby's Fourth World?

mh, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:36 (six years ago) link

that included Superman/Jimmy Olsen

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:40 (six years ago) link

Epic and OGNS titles weren't related to each other tho. What I mean is something like Ultimates or New Universe, where there was a series of titles that were related to one another, but totally separate from the "regular" continuity.

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:41 (six years ago) link

like, DC didn't have a bunch of Earth-2 titles (right?)

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:42 (six years ago) link

There was All-Star Squadron and that's about it for Earth-2 ongoings.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:47 (six years ago) link

It was the first line produced by Marvel Comics utilizing a pre-conceived shared universe concept.

fit and working again, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:49 (six years ago) link

I have a whole short box of nothing but groo. Can't even get at it rn (lol nyc) but I'm gonna wallow in them again someday.

how will the milf survive? (Jon Lewis), Monday, 7 July 2014 23:04 (six years ago) link

yeah, groo was awesome

i loved groo as a kid. a bit sad that the collections available on amazon are a tad pricey.

The Littlest Boho (stevie), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 06:29 (six years ago) link

Those figures are for postal subscriptions only, rather than newstand or comic book store sales

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 07:36 (six years ago) link

Collections were only ever four issues too iirc, they could have gotten the whole series out if Evanier had switched to fat 12-issue tomes

sales must have turned around at some point

subscription figures aren't necessarily exactly proportionate with newstand and direct sales anyway

i remember picking up Groo into the late 80s, it went forever

it's still going, the last series was in 2010 (and there's a Groo Vs Conan that was due in 2011, but Sergio's illness knocked it off track [and Sakai's family troubles probably aren't helping him speed through it rn])

Looks as if Groo was the second-highest selling Epic title after the flagship anthology. That's not too shabby, really.

can't possibly believe the Heavy Metal knockoff magazine sold more than Elektra

Was the New Universe the first time Marvel attempted the alternate, self-contained universe of titles gambit...? Was there any precedent of a similar approach from DC? (DC was pretty explicit about the separate universes, but they didn't have entire titles devoted to alternate universes, did they? At least not until Vertigo?)

Vertigo wasn't an alternate universe, it was a bunch of DCU and otherwise self-contained books

boney tassel (sic), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 07:39 (six years ago) link

Essential-style, phonebook Groo volumes wld be a winner, no?

Think Conan v Groo is finally coming out this year.

There was All-Star Squadron and that's about it for Earth-2 ongoings.

Before that there was an All Star Comics, also featuring the Earth-2 heroes, but since 'Flash of Two Worlds' DC have never exactly resisted crossovers between the two universes.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 07:54 (six years ago) link

Groo was the first American-style comic I read after a childhood of Tintin and Asterix and The Beano. Anecdotally - it felt like Mad and Groo were much more widely read than the superhero books - maybe a UK thing? There were copies in every newsagent - plus (anecdotally again) it was never just boys who read them.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 11:28 (six years ago) link

Groo was always tough to find in my area (NY), never seemed that popular around here. Probably because of the times (late 80s/early 90s). I was often surprised when I was able to find a copy

Nhex, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 13:48 (six years ago) link

I think I got into Mad magazine as a kid before most comics but never saw Groo on a newsstand and hardly ever in a comics shop.

mh, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 13:58 (six years ago) link

Groo was dead easy to find in the UK, but I always suspected we mainly got the leftover comics that hadn't sold in the US

The Littlest Boho (stevie), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:02 (six years ago) link

Nah. For quite a while, Marvel US would swap a 15 cent (or whatever) front cover price plate for a 10p cover price place at the end of a run of 'colour' comics, so the Marvel titles in newsagents etc were produced specifically for the UK market, although certain titles (eg The Avengers) that had British Marvel equivalents were 'non-distributed' (ie you could only get them as imports.)

http://www.comics.org/issue/1057795/cover/4/

By the time that the cover price included both a US and UK price, comics were distributed to UK specialist shops just a couple of days after they went on sale in America, so not 'leftovers' either.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:12 (six years ago) link

paper is heavy, I would imagine shipping comics overseas was at the bottom of their list of strategies

mh, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:13 (six years ago) link

really? woah, I always imagined when I was reading Marvel obsessively (86-88) that they were imports... thanks for clearing that up, Ward.

The Littlest Boho (stevie), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:27 (six years ago) link

As a kid, I was always fascinated with Marvel comics from the UK whenever some neighborhood kids got their hands on one (usually Action Force, IIRC). Those larger comics with the different paper stock felt like alien artifacts. Even later, non-tabloid stuff like Knights of Pendragon looked so much different from what I was used to (which was largely due to what I think might've been a completely different color process than what was standard in most US Marvel books at the time).

The She's The Sheriff Mystery Hour (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:38 (six years ago) link

I have mixed feelings on Kieron Gillen's recent Iron Man run, but using a couple Marvel UK characters (Death's Head and Dark Angel) was kind of entertaining

mh, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:53 (six years ago) link

Stevie, I hope you won't mind if I make things a little clearer, still

The small, colour Marvel comics were always technically 'imports', in that they were printed and published in America. When Marvel comics were first imported to the UK, they would have a cents price on them and over that t UK price stamp, normally bearing a T&P insignia, which stood for the British distributors Thorpe and Porter Lrd. The comics were brought over to this country by sea mail.

At some point in the early 1970s, Marvel in America began to print a certain amount of their color comics with a UK pence price, rather than a cents price. This was done at the end of the printing process, a simple matter of swapping a printing plate, but it meant that UK pence copies traditionally have had shittier printing, more colour mis-alignment etc, which may have contributed to your impression that these comics were somehow 'leftovers'. They are generally deemed less collectible than the 'real' cents comics. But they were American Marvels, printed and published in the US and imported here.

Not every American Marvel title was officially distributed in the UK (these comics are known in British collector circles as 'ND' - not distributed - comics.) When the British Marvel titles kicked off in the 1970s, reprinting the American comics in larger size, black and white (or two colour) weekly editions, lots of the series featured in these UK Marvel titles - Spider-Man, Hulk, Avengers etc - were removed from UK distribution, so as not to distract from the UK sales, or confuse readers with stories from vastly different time periods. The only way for a UK reader to acquire these ND comics would be to subscribe, visit America, order them via a mail order dealer either at home or in America, or buy them from one a dedicated comic book store, like Dark They Were and Golden Eyed in London. Distribution of the Marvel Comics with British prices was always extremely patchy, but there's no evidence that any particular titles were 'dumped' on the UK market.

Again, at some point in the 1980s, Marvel began to print only one version of their American colour comics, with both an American and British (and Canadian) price on the front. These titles would be imported in large quantities by air to UK comic shops, typically going on sale just a couple of days after they went on sale in America. Or you could wait a month or so and buy pretty much every Marvel or DC as a slightly cheaper (cover) price, sea-freighted and officially distributed to newsagents and even comic shops.

Looking at a gallery of Groo covers, it seems that the first one with a joint US/UK price was issue 16, cover dated June 1986:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/groo-the-wanderer/16-1.jpg

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 20:18 (six years ago) link

Sunspot making fun of a government stooge.

Tuomas, Friday, 31 January 2020 14:50 (five months ago) link

xpost There really wasn't any context. Roberto da Costa says it offhandedly to some brusque authoritarian who's all like '...wtf-paws?' in response, thus reflecting the experience of so many who have spent too much time on ILX.

Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Friday, 31 January 2020 14:50 (five months ago) link

Rolling Comic Book thread 2017

Doubling down on out of date information (aldo), Friday, 31 January 2020 14:52 (five months ago) link

Thanks!

☮️ (peace, man), Friday, 31 January 2020 14:58 (five months ago) link

It's like when Matt Fraction was dropping Best Show references into his comics yet even more insular and incomprehensible to all but the like +/- 50 people on planet earth who both regularly read Marvel comics and frequent ILX.

Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Friday, 31 January 2020 15:05 (five months ago) link

i've been on this board a long time but...it just doesn't seem like a good idea

Nhex, Saturday, 1 February 2020 00:48 (five months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Why would she adopt Spider-Man’s webbing

Ticket Tout (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 05:08 (four months ago) link

Which Spider-Woman is that? The Secret Wars one (forget her name) always had a suit that was derivative of Spidey's.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 07:41 (four months ago) link

Yes — this is Jessica Drew, who has no relation whatsoever to Spidey.

Ticket Tout (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 14:40 (four months ago) link

(...And who already got an awesome new costume just a few years back. Plus, her “classic” costume is one of Marvel’s best. She didn’t need a crappy third costume.)

Ticket Tout (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 14:43 (four months ago) link

Forget the costume, whoever's writing this thing better be prepared to outdo that Hopeless run or why even bother.

Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 15:03 (four months ago) link

Yeah. It’s Karla Pacheco

Ticket Tout (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 15:06 (four months ago) link

Jessica Drew is my favorite Marvel hero about whom I know practically nothing

Like, I never followed her stories or anything but I LOVE her entire look and whenever she shows up as a secondary character, I cheer

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 17:08 (four months ago) link

Yeah, I can't fully explain my love for the character (tho I have gone back and read most of her solo stuff)... there's just something really compelling about her.

Ticket Tout (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 17:23 (four months ago) link

she's cool, also a brainwashed spy of some sort

Nhex, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 19:13 (four months ago) link

It's too bad they retconned her seventies origin story, where it was revealed she was originally a spider that had been uplifted into a human by the High Evolutionary. That's an awesomely grotesque superhero origin.

Tuomas, Thursday, 27 February 2020 07:29 (four months ago) link

that is great

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Thursday, 27 February 2020 09:11 (four months ago) link

To be fair, that original origin (when she was intended to be just a one-shot character, to establish trademark rights in the name) was immediately retconned later the same year, the next time she appeared.

Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Thursday, 27 February 2020 15:39 (four months ago) link

(And I think she could not have seen long-term success with such a bizarre origin.)

Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Thursday, 27 February 2020 15:41 (four months ago) link

One more point: as far as retcons go, revealing that the High Evolutionary had “gaslighted” her into thinking she had evolved from a spider, for psychological manipulation purposes, is still a pretty satisfyingly f’d-up background.

Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Thursday, 27 February 2020 16:10 (four months ago) link

xp you say that but its 2020 and Spider-Pig is a household name whoooooooooooo

Nhex, Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:44 (four months ago) link

Spider-Ham, right? Spider-Pig was in the Simpsons movie

mh, Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:46 (four months ago) link

Was gonna say but figured my pedantry could be put to better use.

Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:52 (four months ago) link

there is no better use for pedantry than correcting people on the accuracy of Peter Porker's sobriquet

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 27 February 2020 20:15 (four months ago) link

Simpsons movie did more box office and has been on home video for 12 years, it's more likely to have generated a household name tbh

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Thursday, 27 February 2020 20:27 (four months ago) link

I demand they bring back Goose Rider

I had the original Marvel Tails comic and still occasionally think of the panel captioned "Goose Rider summons the demons of heck"

*HONK*

mh, Thursday, 27 February 2020 20:29 (four months ago) link

You may be in luck. The second of two collections of all the OG Spider-Ham material is forthcoming and a new title has just begun in the past month. We're in the midst of a veritable Ham-issuance.

Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Thursday, 27 February 2020 20:33 (four months ago) link

*HONK*

mh, Thursday, 27 February 2020 20:35 (four months ago) link

*WANK*

Miami weisse (WmC), Thursday, 27 February 2020 20:48 (four months ago) link

for the youngsters:
http://i.imgur.com/8AG3bUL.png

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 27 February 2020 21:31 (four months ago) link

still hilarious

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Thursday, 27 February 2020 21:35 (four months ago) link

The apex of comics

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 February 2020 03:33 (four months ago) link

So, the summer X-Men event is revealed, and it's called 'X of Swords' and is about X-men getting swords...

Frederik B, Friday, 28 February 2020 22:11 (four months ago) link

lol

Nhex, Saturday, 29 February 2020 15:44 (four months ago) link

That's Dazzler.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 29 February 2020 16:07 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/introducing-the-new-new-warriors

I’m dying

DJP, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 17:47 (three months ago) link

am unclear if that's meant to be wildly tone deaf or just is wildly tone deaf

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 17:52 (three months ago) link

lol those character names

absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 19:57 (three months ago) link

It is so gloriously dumb

DJP, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 20:11 (three months ago) link

Whoever is editing this book must be entirely devoid of shame

DJP, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 20:11 (three months ago) link

channeling the spirit of Stan Lee

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 20:12 (three months ago) link

eh think I'll wait for the new new NEW Warriors

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 20:41 (three months ago) link

I am seriously worried that my local shop is gonna go under :(

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 20:42 (three months ago) link

"I wanted to have teen characters who felt as "now" as the New Warriors did in 1990,” explains Kibblesmith. “The New Warriors have been zeitgeist characters from the beginning, you get edgy skateboarding Night Thrasher in the '90s and the Reality TV team in the 2000s, and now in 2020, we have New Warriors who have never grown up without the Internet, and one character who appears to essentially live inside it.

this almost makes it sound intentionally dumb, a tribute to fumbling, already-dated-when-they-debuted attempts at being contemporary from earlier decades? all of this really does sounds corny in almost exactly the same way as introducing a brooding skateboard-riding superhero called 'Night Thrasher' in 1990 was corny

soref, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 21:55 (three months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/4XnucnS.png

soref, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 22:01 (three months ago) link

I like that I can't tell from that semi-page if it's a Colon or Kyle issue

Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 22:05 (three months ago) link

I thought the current Cantwell/Larocca Doctor Doom series was limited, got to issue #6 and realized it's ongoing. Awesome!

Nhex, Sunday, 29 March 2020 21:42 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

Immortal Hulk #33 / LGY # 750, "The Thoughtful Man". Oversized issue, they used the extra pages to have many many double page spreads of amazing grotesque. This series...

Nhex, Friday, 5 June 2020 23:32 (one month ago) link


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