Marvel Comics blabbery

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Not really about anything, but CBR has a chat transcript with Marvel Editor Tom Brevoort and I snorted with laughter at this exchange, even though I don't know who Rocket Racer is.

Brad Curran: How about Rocket Racer? I'm in a shameless mood, so I'll ask if he's going to be in anything, too.

Tom Brevoort: I'm talking to somebody about Rocket Racer right now.

Cayman: Are you saying "don't ever mention Rocket Racer again if you want to keep working in this town?"

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link

A ZOOM A ZOOM ZOOM

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link

cooooooool

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Marvel in the 70s = DC in the 50s.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link

NB: I'm totally wrong.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

where is the goddamn DCU ipad app?

it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:11 (eight years ago) link

I'll be surprised if they do an app soon. They just got around to making it non-flash.

I've been using it on the ipad through Safari and it's nice.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:13 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Do we really need a Deadly Hands of Kung Fu revival? It's only been 40 years since the last one...let's give it another 40 to really let the nostalgia build up.

WilliamC, Sunday, 4 May 2014 13:09 (seven years ago) link

Will it feature Shang-Chi? Still waiting on a reprint of Master of Kung Fu, which I think has always been scuppered by rights issue to do with the Sax Rohmer characters.

Love some of the Neal Adams covers on DHOKF

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 4 May 2014 13:34 (seven years ago) link

I liked Shang Chi as Moench wrote him, but Hickman making him a spaceship-piloting Avenger was a development so wrong-footed it's sort of put me off the entire company, except for Bendis' Miles Morales, Waid's Daredevil and Wilson's Ms. Marvel.

WilliamC, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:13 (seven years ago) link

I just don't get the love for Hickman (in some quarters), everything I've read by him has been a dreary mess with no real feel for Marvel history/characters/style. But I'm totally Team Bendis when it comes to the Avengers - the best run on the title since Englehart.

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:27 (seven years ago) link

Manhattan Projects is very good, can't really speak for his Marvel work besides a few FF comics which were pretty seemed fun.

tsrobodo, Sunday, 4 May 2014 16:08 (seven years ago) link

xxp -- I forgot to mention Soule & Pulido's She-Hulk, which is 1001% fun, and beautiful to look at. Hawkeye has good moments but it's inconsistent.

WilliamC, Friday, 9 May 2014 17:56 (seven years ago) link

mmm pretty seemed fun

tsrobodo, Saturday, 10 May 2014 11:31 (seven years ago) link

I really like East of West. It's one of the few comics I'm reading month to month anymore.

earlnash, Saturday, 10 May 2014 14:36 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

lol 1985

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br9h7WFCcAEo1fl.jpg

poor Groo :(

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 18:50 (seven years ago) link

Groo back issues are hard to come by!

I dunno if I have any anymore but that was a great book.

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 18:59 (seven years ago) link

sales must have turned around at some point cuz it had a pretty long run (120 issues?!). I have fond memories of the storylines with his dog, who was even stupider than he was.

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:00 (seven years ago) link

yo man, Hama GI Joe was dope can't argue with that
i remember picking up Groo into the late 80s, it went forever

Nhex, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:12 (seven years ago) link

these numbers are from may 85... groo's first marvel issue was march that year.

fit and working again, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:22 (seven years ago) link

ah that explains it

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:23 (seven years ago) link

and yeah, groo was excellent.

fit and working again, Monday, 7 July 2014 19:23 (seven years ago) link

Looks as if Groo was the second-highest selling Epic title after the flagship anthology. That's not too shabby, really.

It's hard to imagine Marvel making so much of their bread off of adaptated properties nowadays. Everybody but them seems to have cornered that particular market of late.

The She's The Sheriff Mystery Hour (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 July 2014 20:08 (seven years ago) link

Was the New Universe the first time Marvel attempted the alternate, self-contained universe of titles gambit...? Was there any precedent of a similar approach from DC? (DC was pretty explicit about the separate universes, but they didn't have entire titles devoted to alternate universes, did they? At least not until Vertigo?)

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:34 (seven years ago) link

I think Marvel (copying 2000 AD and other sort of indie lines) was ahead of DC with Epic and OGNS and whatnot

Nhex, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:35 (seven years ago) link

Kirby's Fourth World?

mh, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:36 (seven years ago) link

that included Superman/Jimmy Olsen

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:40 (seven years ago) link

Epic and OGNS titles weren't related to each other tho. What I mean is something like Ultimates or New Universe, where there was a series of titles that were related to one another, but totally separate from the "regular" continuity.

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:41 (seven years ago) link

like, DC didn't have a bunch of Earth-2 titles (right?)

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:42 (seven years ago) link

There was All-Star Squadron and that's about it for Earth-2 ongoings.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:47 (seven years ago) link

It was the first line produced by Marvel Comics utilizing a pre-conceived shared universe concept.

fit and working again, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:49 (seven years ago) link

I have a whole short box of nothing but groo. Can't even get at it rn (lol nyc) but I'm gonna wallow in them again someday.

how will the milf survive? (Jon Lewis), Monday, 7 July 2014 23:04 (seven years ago) link

yeah, groo was awesome

i loved groo as a kid. a bit sad that the collections available on amazon are a tad pricey.

The Littlest Boho (stevie), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 06:29 (seven years ago) link

Those figures are for postal subscriptions only, rather than newstand or comic book store sales

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 07:36 (seven years ago) link

Collections were only ever four issues too iirc, they could have gotten the whole series out if Evanier had switched to fat 12-issue tomes

sales must have turned around at some point

subscription figures aren't necessarily exactly proportionate with newstand and direct sales anyway

i remember picking up Groo into the late 80s, it went forever

it's still going, the last series was in 2010 (and there's a Groo Vs Conan that was due in 2011, but Sergio's illness knocked it off track [and Sakai's family troubles probably aren't helping him speed through it rn])

Looks as if Groo was the second-highest selling Epic title after the flagship anthology. That's not too shabby, really.

can't possibly believe the Heavy Metal knockoff magazine sold more than Elektra

Was the New Universe the first time Marvel attempted the alternate, self-contained universe of titles gambit...? Was there any precedent of a similar approach from DC? (DC was pretty explicit about the separate universes, but they didn't have entire titles devoted to alternate universes, did they? At least not until Vertigo?)

Vertigo wasn't an alternate universe, it was a bunch of DCU and otherwise self-contained books

boney tassel (sic), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 07:39 (seven years ago) link

Essential-style, phonebook Groo volumes wld be a winner, no?

Think Conan v Groo is finally coming out this year.

There was All-Star Squadron and that's about it for Earth-2 ongoings.

Before that there was an All Star Comics, also featuring the Earth-2 heroes, but since 'Flash of Two Worlds' DC have never exactly resisted crossovers between the two universes.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 07:54 (seven years ago) link

Groo was the first American-style comic I read after a childhood of Tintin and Asterix and The Beano. Anecdotally - it felt like Mad and Groo were much more widely read than the superhero books - maybe a UK thing? There were copies in every newsagent - plus (anecdotally again) it was never just boys who read them.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 11:28 (seven years ago) link

Groo was always tough to find in my area (NY), never seemed that popular around here. Probably because of the times (late 80s/early 90s). I was often surprised when I was able to find a copy

Nhex, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 13:48 (seven years ago) link

I think I got into Mad magazine as a kid before most comics but never saw Groo on a newsstand and hardly ever in a comics shop.

mh, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 13:58 (seven years ago) link

Groo was dead easy to find in the UK, but I always suspected we mainly got the leftover comics that hadn't sold in the US

The Littlest Boho (stevie), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:02 (seven years ago) link

Nah. For quite a while, Marvel US would swap a 15 cent (or whatever) front cover price plate for a 10p cover price place at the end of a run of 'colour' comics, so the Marvel titles in newsagents etc were produced specifically for the UK market, although certain titles (eg The Avengers) that had British Marvel equivalents were 'non-distributed' (ie you could only get them as imports.)

http://www.comics.org/issue/1057795/cover/4/

By the time that the cover price included both a US and UK price, comics were distributed to UK specialist shops just a couple of days after they went on sale in America, so not 'leftovers' either.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:12 (seven years ago) link

paper is heavy, I would imagine shipping comics overseas was at the bottom of their list of strategies

mh, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:13 (seven years ago) link

really? woah, I always imagined when I was reading Marvel obsessively (86-88) that they were imports... thanks for clearing that up, Ward.

The Littlest Boho (stevie), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:27 (seven years ago) link

As a kid, I was always fascinated with Marvel comics from the UK whenever some neighborhood kids got their hands on one (usually Action Force, IIRC). Those larger comics with the different paper stock felt like alien artifacts. Even later, non-tabloid stuff like Knights of Pendragon looked so much different from what I was used to (which was largely due to what I think might've been a completely different color process than what was standard in most US Marvel books at the time).

The She's The Sheriff Mystery Hour (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:38 (seven years ago) link

I have mixed feelings on Kieron Gillen's recent Iron Man run, but using a couple Marvel UK characters (Death's Head and Dark Angel) was kind of entertaining

mh, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:53 (seven years ago) link

Stevie, I hope you won't mind if I make things a little clearer, still

The small, colour Marvel comics were always technically 'imports', in that they were printed and published in America. When Marvel comics were first imported to the UK, they would have a cents price on them and over that t UK price stamp, normally bearing a T&P insignia, which stood for the British distributors Thorpe and Porter Lrd. The comics were brought over to this country by sea mail.

At some point in the early 1970s, Marvel in America began to print a certain amount of their color comics with a UK pence price, rather than a cents price. This was done at the end of the printing process, a simple matter of swapping a printing plate, but it meant that UK pence copies traditionally have had shittier printing, more colour mis-alignment etc, which may have contributed to your impression that these comics were somehow 'leftovers'. They are generally deemed less collectible than the 'real' cents comics. But they were American Marvels, printed and published in the US and imported here.

Not every American Marvel title was officially distributed in the UK (these comics are known in British collector circles as 'ND' - not distributed - comics.) When the British Marvel titles kicked off in the 1970s, reprinting the American comics in larger size, black and white (or two colour) weekly editions, lots of the series featured in these UK Marvel titles - Spider-Man, Hulk, Avengers etc - were removed from UK distribution, so as not to distract from the UK sales, or confuse readers with stories from vastly different time periods. The only way for a UK reader to acquire these ND comics would be to subscribe, visit America, order them via a mail order dealer either at home or in America, or buy them from one a dedicated comic book store, like Dark They Were and Golden Eyed in London. Distribution of the Marvel Comics with British prices was always extremely patchy, but there's no evidence that any particular titles were 'dumped' on the UK market.

Again, at some point in the 1980s, Marvel began to print only one version of their American colour comics, with both an American and British (and Canadian) price on the front. These titles would be imported in large quantities by air to UK comic shops, typically going on sale just a couple of days after they went on sale in America. Or you could wait a month or so and buy pretty much every Marvel or DC as a slightly cheaper (cover) price, sea-freighted and officially distributed to newsagents and even comic shops.

Looking at a gallery of Groo covers, it seems that the first one with a joint US/UK price was issue 16, cover dated June 1986:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/groo-the-wanderer/16-1.jpg

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 20:18 (seven years ago) link

Definitely unrelated. Kamala Khan seems to be one of the few legit breakout Marvel superstars of the 21st Century (see also: Miles Morales).

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:01 (three months ago) link

Got me curious so I glimpsed the Diamond Top 100 from 2019. Infinity Gauntlet is the the obvious standout, but nothing else I saw from Marvel was a classic reprint, mostly brand new collections of 2018 material (Spider-Geddon, Life of Captain Marvel, Cosmic Ghost Rider) or disconnected from the MCU (House/Powers of X, Immortal Hulk).

Non-Marvel media tie-ins of note that showed up: The Boys omnibus reprints (Amazon show), Umbrella Academy trades (Netflix show), Joker (Azzarello/Bermejo) reprint (film), Deadly Class (SyFy show). So I believe the strategy likely does work, maybe Marvel's doing a crappy job at embracing it?

(this doesn't include bookstore sales, since it's Diamond, i assume)

Nhex, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:06 (three months ago) link

Marvel's reprint strategy seems haphazard at best, I will grant you. If you're anal like me and make sure that you preorder pretty much everything you want (and, perhaps more importantly, have a clear idea of what you want and how what you want is being collected), they do a pretty great job and seem serious about slowly reprinting as much of their material as possible. If you come at it from a more casual angle, I'm sure it's incredibly frustrating both to keep track of how things are being reprinted and to deal with the inevitable and ongoing OOP issue.

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:12 (three months ago) link

good to know they’re still living in opposite world where casual readers who’d want to pick up a TPB are out of luck

I’d hazard a guess that they sell a fair number of TPBs to libraries? those few that still have a budget

mh, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:22 (three months ago) link

the Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel is definitely librarian bait! in a good way

mh, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:23 (three months ago) link

Definitely unrelated.

Right, though looks like Black Panther barely was too: 28k in 2018 without a movie, 36k with a movie. the Kamala Khan book sold 13k in 2018 (and, because Marvel, no other volumes charted in either year).

armoured van, Holden (sic), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:35 (three months ago) link

xp Kamala K. was the first book I picked up when I got into nu-Marvel in the mid-2000s... it was getting significant mainstream / "general reader, check this out" press.

come along you starbucks lovers (taylor’s version) (morrisp), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:38 (three months ago) link

It was a pretty decent series but got derailed a lot by crossover events like Secret Wars and Civil War II

Nhex, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:41 (three months ago) link

Yeah, I read few books and then hit the Secret Wars wall. (I also couldn't really get into the teenage-focused content, but that's just me.)

come along you starbucks lovers (taylor’s version) (morrisp), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:44 (three months ago) link

Lolz

Do I really live in a universe where Ta-Nehisi Coates has written a Captain America comic featuring a parody of my ideas as part of the philosophy of the arch villain Red Skull? https://t.co/waFsAvWlfd

— Dr Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) April 6, 2021

groovypanda, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 12:43 (three months ago) link

oh no, he found out

mh, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 12:46 (three months ago) link

A guy published this blog post(I don’t get how he isolated the logos; did he redraw them?); Tom Orz popped into his Twitter, suggesting he credit the original designers.

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Saturday, 17 April 2021 04:20 (three months ago) link

it's not that hard to isolate text with solid borders using photoshop or any other software with a magnet selection tool

mh, Saturday, 17 April 2021 17:09 (three months ago) link

https://reaganray.com/img/blog/marvel-lettering/doctor-strange-3.jpg

From that post, this Doctor Strange logo from 1988 feels like it's homaging some TV show or movie logo from the same era, but I can't quite recall which one... Can anyone think of a logo similar to it?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 08:37 (three months ago) link

no, but I'd bet $7 that logo is by Todd Klein

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 09:48 (three months ago) link

Hmm. Klein pegs the then-recently-revealed movie Strange logo as based on his 1988 logo in this 2014 blog, buuut the original logo he shows looks more '90s to me.

This 1988 Marvel Doctor Strange #1 has the logo posted above, and the next movie logo was just released the other day, and looks like a very close adaptation of the (real) 1988 one.

That one only lasted four issues before being replaced with a riff on the 1970s logo; Klein's (other?) one is indeed from 1992, and came in on issue 62 of the '88 series.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 10:05 (three months ago) link

xxp Tuomas, I assume you're not thinking of the (current-day) Stranger Things logo(?)

smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 15:37 (three months ago) link

i love that logo and that era of doctor strange

Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 16:54 (three months ago) link

https://i.redd.it/ciex4a8ta1vz.png

I can see it.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 21:40 (three months ago) link

Stranger Things titles are more of an homage to the typography of '80s horror paperback covers (and Stephen King specifically).

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 22:21 (three months ago) link

Right, I just wondered if the vague similarities (stacked script + "Strange") may have tripped T's neurons.

smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 22:23 (three months ago) link

Heavily dipped serifs, the dramatic, swooping cross-bar on the A, the Stranger Things letterforms look closer in height to the actually-tall Doctor Strange bcz of the high crossbar on the H - a lot of casual similarities, intentionality completely aside.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 22:33 (three months ago) link

Dr. Stranger

mh, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 22:36 (three months ago) link

Stranger Docts

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 23:22 (three months ago) link

I think comics logos are underappreciated, but that blog post doesn’t really do them justice… I feel like you need to see them full-size, on the actual covers, to really get the impact; not abstracted and isolated in tiny squares.

smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:41 (three months ago) link

Like the classic ASM logo (especially when accented with webbing) is one of the GOAT, but this anemic image hardly captures why:

https://reaganray.com/img/blog/marvel-lettering/spider-man-1.jpg

smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:43 (three months ago) link

agreed

Nhex, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:44 (three months ago) link

Got a bunch of TPBs of ImmorTAL Hulk and the current Marvel TPB is a thin and anaemic looking thing.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 05:48 (three months ago) link

technically speaking this isn't that similar but in terms of era and general vibe the Doctor Strange logo made me think of this:

https://tvseriesfinale.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/murder-she-wrote-e1513781745389.jpg

joygoat, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 12:52 (three months ago) link

The Doctor Strange logo looks like the sign for a fern bar in Dallas

Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 29 April 2021 04:03 (three months ago) link

From a couple of weeks ago, Hibbs going long on the PRH situation and repurcussions:

But this is the crux of my fear: Diamond, on the face of it, would not seem to be able to pivot to a more modern GN distribution business structure now that they’ve lost the majority of their volume, and the reasons that most DM retailers had to deal with them. They could have, once – but now it’s probably too late. While Steve and his team are smart, and conceptually Steve has resources that could be liquidated to keep things going for a while, it is very hard for me to see where the payout can possibly be. We know what happens to a distributor who loses both Marvel and DC’s business, and have Image comics as their largest exclusive vendor...

ultimately my biggest fear is that the vanguard of independence for making comics, the ability of a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or a Bone or even a Walking Dead to rise up “out of nowhere” and to build that periodical behemoth which then allows indy creators to leverage the book format, is about to be severely tested, and perhaps entirely lost. And while people will find a way to make comics –of course they will –the likeliest result is going to be that comics will start to pay a lot less for creators as a general class, and comics will get “safer” and less experimental as even more corporate control is consolidated. I’d rather that Eastman & Laird or Jeff Smith or Robert Kirkman & co are the ones who get to reap the rewards nstead of giant multi-national corporations – and this has always been the greatest promise as well as the greatest gift of the Direct Market.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 2 May 2021 00:58 (three months ago) link

I kinda get what he's saying, but... thankfully, many young creators aren't waiting for a big publisher to print floppies for them anymore and see (or have been forced to find) the other outlets available.

Nhex, Sunday, 2 May 2021 03:36 (three months ago) link

His three examples are 37, 30, and 18 years old. Utterly irrelevant to the current market.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 2 May 2021 04:05 (three months ago) link

As someone who thinks well-printed, well-designed comics are the ideal presentation for the medium, I wish that a retail infrastructure for them will continue to exist.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 2 May 2021 04:15 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.gamesradar.com/wandavision-success-leads-to-continued-comic-sellouts-and-back-orders/

(apparently Newsarama is GamesRadar now)

Ahead of WandaVision's debut on January 15, Marvel Comics' collections department printed new editions for two books - The Vision Complete Collection, and House of M - as well as three new collections of older material - Scarlet Witch by James Robinson: The Complete Collection, Vision & Scarlet Witch: The Saga of Wanda and Vision, and Marvel-Verse: Wanda & Vision.

The response was quick, as by the end of WandaVision's first season in March most of these comics had sold out at the distributor level - with new printings not becoming available again until a month after the show ends.

Now that we're a few months out from WandaVision's finale and Marvel Comics is re-initiating new plans for Wanda (such as the Darkhold comic book event), Newsarama checked in again to see if collections of these stories of Wanda and Vision's past are any easier for customers to get.

Unfortunately, these five collections are still hard to come by. The printings from earlier this year have all sold out at the distributor level for comic shops, and most are either unavailable on Amazon or only at a mark-up from second-party sellers.

Marvel-Verse: Wanda & Vision
(Image credit: Marvel Comics)

The Eisner-winning The Vision Complete Collection has gone through multiple printings since its November 2019 debut. The last printing hit shelves in April and sold out in two months, with another new printing scheduled for July 21.

Marvel-Verse: Wanda & Vision apparently sold out in March, then again in May. A third printing is scheduled to debut July 28.

The three other collections - Vision & Scarlet Witch: The Saga of Wanda & Vision, House of M, and Scarlet Witch by James Robinson: The Complete Collection - have also sold out at the distributor level, however Marvel has not announced plans to reprint them despite the apparent demand.

The other new collection of older material, Vision & Scarlet Witch: The Saga of Wanda & Vision, sold out quickly after its January 2021 debut. It's currently on back order, with no announced plans by Marvel to reprint it despite the apparent demand.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 20:44 (one month ago) link

They're very good at this.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 22:58 (one month ago) link

you can't spell "permanently unavailable, leaving retailers and customers alike muttering bitterly" without Perlmutter

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 23:14 (one month ago) link

I generally preorder Marvel collections that I want, knowing that there's a good chance that waiting will = unavailability.

This is not a business model that makes sense to me.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 17 June 2021 00:32 (one month ago) link

Marvel comics is a business model that has not made sense since '62. Completely unbelievable that it became such a cash cow considering how it had bordered on insolvency on and off for decades.

earlnash, Thursday, 17 June 2021 01:00 (one month ago) link

Just read ASM #304 (1988) with my kid… it begins with Peter learning that the Bugle has published a book of his Spider-Man pics, which they can do because they own his work “lock, stock, and negatives.” JJJ offers him a $100 “gratitude fee”—but the publisher tells him that if he goes on tour and signs autographs, he can earn some money from it. I didn’t get Michelinie’s subtext around all this, when I was a kid myself… but I get it now!

(Also in this ish: Pete & MJ visit Disneyland.)

we don't have to be around all these coffee shops (morrisp), Saturday, 26 June 2021 03:15 (one month ago) link

I generally preorder Marvel collections that I want, knowing that there's a good chance that waiting will = unavailability.
This is not a business model that makes sense to me.

I'm painting in broad strokes here but maybe it makes perfect sense, your preorder purchase is confirmed, the company will not be left with unwanted stock and scarcity/demand is built back into the model. Comics (or the collecting of them at least) thrive on scarcity.
I think back to the swamping of the comics market and inflated secondary narket that was going on around and after the first Burton Batman movie, LotDK. It was unsustainable and precipitated the wider bust that inevitably comes with a boom. Issues from A Death In the Family were on shop walls for ridiculous money but everyone had a copy.
I sympathise however, I came late to Adam Warlock and followed him in trades right up to Infinity Crusade vol 2. Cant seem to get that book without someone else always willing to pay that little bit more than me, not even touching the bonkers bot prices on amazon.

ringworm, Sunday, 27 June 2021 08:38 (one month ago) link

what about the bathroom policy, does that make sense

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 27 June 2021 09:31 (one month ago) link

I still weirds me out that Marvel published an Avengers book that had Hank Pym romping through Janet’s vagina

an eco-conscious Music Box (DJP), Sunday, 27 June 2021 13:03 (one month ago) link

Well, it was written by Geoff Johns, so I guess we should just be thankful that he didn't rip her in half afterwards.

And now it's my turn to be weirded out remembering that Marvel published a book that had the Blob literally eating Janet.

Same era that has the Hulk making kids with his cousin She-Hulk and the Green Goblin having kids with a teenager...so makes sense.

earlnash, Sunday, 27 June 2021 14:54 (one month ago) link

I'm painting in broad strokes here but maybe it makes perfect sense, your preorder purchase is confirmed, the company will not be left with unwanted stock and scarcity/demand is built back into the model. Comics (or the collecting of them at least) thrive on scarcity.

Comics might, trades don't. Invincible Compendiums have been the hottest superhero item this year and buyers of those $65 books are shockingly unconcerned with condition, because they're readers (or reader/collectors) - the big Image compendiums get damaged just looking at them.

Marvel sets trade/gn/etc. print runs before stores put in their orders (and thus consumer preorders) so it's not a case of ensuring that there are no leftovers. They just let some things go out of print for a while before they get back around to firing up the printing presses if it seems like demand warrants. (They've instituted a system where shops can put in prospective reprint orders to let them know what to put back in print.)

Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 1 July 2021 00:56 (one month ago) link

You would think somewhere in the Disney empire would be some distribution wing where they could sell books and actually have a back list.

DC always had the Time Warner books distribution system, so they have had many things 'always' stay in print.

I'm just pi$$ed that I have not been able to get the 2nd Omnibus volume of Tomb of Dracula for a freaking decade even though having the 1st and 3rd and I'll be damned to pay what the vultures on ebay etc. want for one. They reprinted the 1st one not all that long ago and have started a TPB run of the series, but never have gotten to the latter part of the run and the first one of that series is like stupid expensive.

earlnash, Friday, 2 July 2021 01:32 (one month ago) link

They've instituted a system where shops can put in prospective reprint orders to let them know what to put back in print.

So all we need to do is figure out how to spam this system with our wants list!

ringworm, Friday, 2 July 2021 07:15 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...

They're releasing a portfolio of reproductions of the '70s Third Eye black light posters. Presumably full size. It's fairly 'spensive but I've considered buying the originals for a lot more.

For the uninitiated: https://www.coolandcollected.com/marvel-third-eye-blacklight-posters/

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Friday, 30 July 2021 03:15 (four days ago) link

yeah, i fuckin love those


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