The ILC Favourite Characters Of All Time

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This is not how I imagined the Enid Coleslaw discussion would go.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

It's AWESOMELY FANTASTIC!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw JB give a very unprepared talk in Toronto but he seemed quite likable. He talked about Wolverine most of the time. That comic is very spot on though.

Also omg expressive rabbit

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

JB by JB = megaclassic

Adrienne Begley (sparklecock), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

5-tie. Lucy Van Pelt (Peanuts)

(192 points)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a6/Lucyvanpelt.jpg/250px-Lucyvanpelt.jpg

Lucy was the most terrifying character in the history
of comics - proud, sadistic, utterly self-centered and
hateful. The most famous running gag in Peanuts
involved her lying to Charlie Brown about an act of
pointless treachery and then offering a hypocritical
excuse for it; in an early episode Linus is seen
crying after Lucy tells him she wishes he'd never been
born. "Beneath the surface there's something tender,"
Schulz once said of her. "But maybe if you scratched
deeper you'd find she's even worse than she seems."
(Justyn Dillingham)

Best Moment: Pulling the football; away just as Charlie Brown was about to kick it. (David Simpson)

And a worst character vote from Huk ("What a bitch.")!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Good grief, Huk!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link

So... Who we have left are Batman, Calvin, Captain Haddock, Buddy Bradley, and...? Wolverine? Popeye? I have little idea who the fifth one might be.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Lord Fanny wouldn't have made it this far, though William Gull might still have a small chance.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

It'll be interestin to compare this one to greatest comics poll. Are there any great comics without great characters, or vice versa?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Longshot Comics by Shane Simmons
"Here" by Richard McGuire

occasional mongrel (kit brash), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"A Glass Of Water" by Morrison & McKean - great comic, the character herself isn't remarkable

occasional mongrel (kit brash), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

MLC for #1!

Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link

martin luther cing?

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

damn i'd forgotten how many of these i commented on.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 9 November 2006 07:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Jimmy Corrigan - the landscape strips/novel is a great comic, but the character is a nonentity (as opposed to the portrait comics, where he's a FANTASTIC character!)

occasional mongrel (kit brash), Thursday, 9 November 2006 08:19 (seventeen years ago) link

If there has to be something Ware, I'm crossing my fingers for Big Tex or the astronaut (Spaceman Sam maybe?). Their equally pathetic, brutal-punchline vignettes always seemed to have a little more bite and be a lot more memorable than any of Jimmy Corrigan's bathetic and dull excursions into anomie...

It's basically the Countdown to Calvin now as far as I'm concerned.

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

blount do you have the tintin tiajuana bible from 2001!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and what (ooo), Saturday, 11 November 2006 04:16 (seventeen years ago) link

If you mean "Tintin in Thailand" I have it and am happy to share it. pdf format, just say the word.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Saturday, 11 November 2006 05:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd like to see that!

Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 11 November 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Tintin in thailand!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4VUCZ3TK

it's not copyrighted material, so I don't think I'm violating any ilx rules by posting this link.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Saturday, 11 November 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

0 kb?

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 11 November 2006 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

what? damnit lemme see...

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Saturday, 11 November 2006 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=V70PFHGE

I think this should actually do it.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Saturday, 11 November 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

My sister = Lucy, ergo the hate.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Sunday, 12 November 2006 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link

As a time filler while I try to sober up the blurb for the next character, here's Aldo's one for Cerebus, retrieved from the lair of the Dark God Cruiathe (Tom's inbox).

NOTE: contains spoiler if you gave up on Cerebus at a sane point.

--

To list exactly why I love Cerebus so much, or believe he's the greatest character ever created in comics, would dominate proceedings so I'll try and keep it short.

Cerebus is all of us. Well, not exactly. Cerebus is all the bits we don't like or don't/can't acknowledge about ourselves and we hate. He's every bit of petty jealousy. Every ounce of manipulation. Our lack of backbone. Our drinking. Our intolerance. Our stupidity. Self aggrandisement. Wanking. Insanity.

As Tom said during the nominations phase, "I'm not voting for Cerbeus because he's a cockfarmer." And that's exactly right. He's boorish, arrogant and frequently entirely wrong-headed. He decides he wants a woman in his life and gets her by painstakingly destroying her husband. When things go wrong, it's never his fault. People can exploit him, but he just leaves.

His finest moment? Easy. At the end of 'Form & Void', having been plagued for some time with an urge to visit his parents but held up with ridiculous behaviour from Jaka. When they get to Sand Hills Creek nobody will speak to him. Cerebus realises they have died.

He is inconsolable. He tears his hair out, rubs mud in his face and, seeing Jaka, vents his frustration with the prophesied words "Go on. Beat it. Scram." She leaves, and he is alone in grief.

He is us, and we are him.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:14 (seventeen years ago) link

5-tie. Maggie Chascarillo (Love And Rockets)

(192 points)

http://www.marsimport.com/images/LOVRH22.JPG

I forgot this when Hopey came up, so everyone should go read Mark S's piece on punk, starring Hopey and Maggie.

maggie is great becaus she,s competent but insecure at the same time - she is pretty but worried about her weight , she loves this guy who loves back, only she doesn't know if he does. she's funny and yet concerned about what people think of her. we can all relate to her coolness slash dorkiness (Mark Co)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 17 November 2006 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I told you Maggot was in it!

Tom (Groke), Friday, 17 November 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

:)

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 November 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

heart maggie

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 17 November 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Yay Maggie!

robster (robster), Friday, 17 November 2006 23:26 (seventeen years ago) link

4. Captain Haddock (Tintin)

(195 points)

http://claudia.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/haddock.jpg

Entire remainder of entry by 'Captain' Chuck Tatum!

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When I was young, I wanted to be Tintin when I grew up. These days, I'd much rather be Captain Haddock. Haddock gets to have all the fun -- the drinking, the schmoozing, the fancy hotels -- while rarely having to bother with the time-wasting (and potentially dangerous) detecting and adventuring side of things. There are downsides to being the comic relief, of course. Once every book or so, you will need to fall off the wagon and almost kill yourself ( Explorers on the Moon, Red Rackham's Treasure). In every single adventure, you will clumsily trip down some sort of mountain ravine or desert hill ( The Crab With The Golden Claws, Flight 714, The Red Sea Sharks, etc.). And nature is always your enemy. If a llama is present, he will spit in your face (Prisoners of the Sun ) -- repeatedly. If you see a cow -- especially a sacred one -- he will not hesitate to bowl you over and ride you over town. (Tintin in Tibet). And here's one important piece of advice: always, without exception, keep your nose away from wasps ( The Castafiore Emerald). It's not your fault your nose is so unfathomably large -- but really, do try to be more careful.

There's more to Haddock than his pratfalls, of course -- there's also his love of drinking. His massive ego. His social climbing. His hatred of dithering. His awesomely extended vocabulary of insults ( http://www.angelfire.com/super2/animorphs/insult.html). His lunatic care for his friends. Haddock might only be the comic relief, but it's hard to think of other comic relief characters, outside of Dickens, with such an satisfyingly well-developed interior life. Rather than becoming subordinate to Tintin, Tintin effectively becomes Haddock's sidekick after Red Rackham's Treasure, not the other way around. And Herge never ran out of interesting things for Haddock to do: apparently in Alph-Art, Herge considered having Haddock grow marijuana plants in the basement at Marlinkspike.

Top Ten Insults

10. "Son of a sea-gherkin" (Flight 714).
9. "Antediluvian bulldozer" ( Tintin in Tibet ).
8. "Technocrat" (The Crab with the Golden Claws).
7. "Fancy-dress Fatima" (The Red Sea Sharks).
6. "Addle-pated lumps of anthracite" ( The Red Sea Sharks).
5. "Macrocephalic baboon" (Tintin in Tibet).
4. "Second-rate son of a sword-swallower" ( The Seven Crystal Balls).
3. "Ectoplasmic byproduct" (The Calculus Affair).
2. "Fresh-water-spaceman" (Explorers on the Moon ).
1. "Miserable blundering barbecued blister" (Tintin and the Picaros).

Best Moment: The temptation is to go for the genuinely moving scene in Tintin in Tibet, where Haddock tries to cut his climbing rope and kill himself (to save Tintin, of course.) But for sheer sustained Haddock-ness, one has to go for the whole of The Calculus Affair. There are pratfalls aplenty: the electrocution, the Mosquito spray, the Cutts the Butcher dialogues. But also tons of great character moments: the first meeting with Jolyon Wagg, the desperate cadging for a drink while interviewing a suspect, Haddock's wonderful moment of joy after realizing Colonel Sponsz has the band-aid attached to his ear ("Szplug! What is this?"). In no other book is the Captain so simultaneously comic and heroic.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

If we were to do a Top 100 Villains poll I would vote for JOLYON WAGG in an instant.

I would pick Castafiore Emerald as my favourite Haddock, though - it's the one where he's most central, and its delight is in seeing the entire fictional universe set up for the purpose of irritating him.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.free-tintin.net/dessins/lampion.jpg

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

As Andrew mentioned, his greatest moments are when Herge allows his profound decency and bravery shine through the bluff exterior, exemplified by that stoic, unhesitant attempt to lay down his life for Tintin's in Tibet. That these moments are often played for laughs as much as sentiment makes them all the more touching - even when he's playing the hero, The Captain never loses one iota of his essential Haddockness.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, best slapstick moment: When he's hit by the same door four or five times in the space of two pages in Destination Moon. Immaculate timing there. That book's full of great Haddockisms.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

http://tintinrevolution.free.fr/pancarte.jpg

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

That wasn't me saying that, it was Chuck. I'm as apathetic about Haddock as I am about Lucy. In fact I was saying to Tom shortly after I took over that I was looking forward to the guessing in the end, because the Americans would never expect _him_, and the Europeans would never expect _her_. He pointed out that I was talking rubbish, and I was.

xpost - you've got the wrong guy there, DV.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

because the Americans would never expect _him_, and the Europeans would never expect _her_. He pointed out that I was talking rubbish, and I was.

Never read Tintin.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

http://tintinrevolution.free.fr/images/break.jpg

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

If anyone's got a cbr of that lefty union Tintin thing - I forget the title right now - I'd LOVE to see it, and am happy to trade.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

It's online
http://tintinrevolution.free.fr/pages/image001.html

Ray (Ray), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 09:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm waaaaay too drunk to read all of that but it's rather well cartooned! the drawing's okay not great but the pacing and the delivery of the polemic is very good.

occasional mongrel (kit brash), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost - you've got the wrong guy there, DV.

I don't follow you.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

You posted Tintin, but Captain Haddock was the third LOSER.

Ray (Ray), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 12:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks, Ray! I read "Breaking Free" while sitting on the floor of a bookstore about 18 years ago - shoulda bought it then.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link

3. Buddy Bradley (Hate)

(204 points)

http://static.flickr.com/24/54500175_c70dd357fa.jpg

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S TRUE. Hate the comic is so great because its terrific laffs hide some pretty harsh stories (is there a more shocking comics death than…but some of you might not have read it yet). Similarly Buddy Bradley is a great character because unlike most 'comedy' comics figures - and even most TV sitcom ones - he ages and grows and makes familiar compromises, and while he still makes some really stupid decisions, over the course of the comic he gradually learns to be less of an asshole. The core readership who hit on the comic when it was basically a grunge-era Freak Brothers ( i.e. fucking hilarious) grumbled about this but there are golden Buddy scenes in almost every issue - the episode with the "U2 tickets" and the internet chatroom, for instance. I've not caught up on any of Bagge's stories since the main Hate comic ended, so I don't know how he's evolved Buddy further, but certainly in my 20s he was the most recognisable - and ultimately, sympathetic - character I'd ever read. (Tom)

greatest moment: Good God. If I had to pick one, possibly the time he attacks Val's dinner party. Either that or the 'date' issue. (Vic Fluro)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

To my shame and bemusement, I have never heard of this character.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 12:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm quite flabbergasted about this result, but happy too - "Hate" rules!

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Man, the issue with him and Lisa spending a totally unproductive day at the house...

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Never read Hate.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link


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