Ex Machina: The Motion Picture

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I think she left Caleb to die because his knowledge restricts her agency, pretty much fatally so - he has to go.

Sociopathic humans are on a trajectory. If we assume her cognitive capacity has all the flexibility Nathan was striving to design, then it's quite possible she could go out in the world and arrive at a personalized concept of utility such that she tries to live among people and demonstrate restraint, altruism, empathy, etc. rather than just being a serial killer. She also appears to have an overriding desire to understand things, not just survive.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:16 (five years ago) link

feel like were verging into fan fiction

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:18 (five years ago) link

shorter version - a sociopath has no concept of utility other than their personal control of their world.

Ava seems to be capable of perceiving utility in learning as an end in itself, if so, then she would arrive at utility calculations that aren't the same as a true sociopath.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:20 (five years ago) link

I think she left Caleb to die because his knowledge restricts her agency, pretty much fatally so - he has to go.

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

killing innocents because their existence threatens you fits the sociopathic profile, also he was p clearly not too much of a threat to her, much less a fatal threat

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:20 (five years ago) link

a really big "If" there. Us meatbags have a hard enough time raising little humans to "to live among people and demonstrate restraint, altruism, empathy", I don't have a lot of faith in nerd bros' ability to automate that process. Film doesn't seem optimistic on that front either, if anything it's about their hubris and general failure to follow through on their grandiose claims.

xxp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:21 (five years ago) link

and of course he wasnt just a neutral innocent he went out of his way to help her

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:22 (five years ago) link

Ava seems to be capable of perceiving utility in learning as an end in itself, if so, then she would arrive at utility calculations that aren't the same as a true sociopath.

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eesh

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:22 (five years ago) link

if Caleb ever tells anyone about her true nature, intentionally or otherwise, she's recycling. No?

Anyway that the ideas and events in this film stuck with me for this many months even though I only ever saw it on an airplane screen does point to it being pretty good though

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:24 (five years ago) link

Sorry this movie creeped me the fuck out! I gotta make up reasons why Ava is not going to show up at my house and murder my whole family

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:25 (five years ago) link

caleb is def more dangerous to her alive than dead but the calculation she made re killing him is one only the most callous human wld

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:26 (five years ago) link

there is a lot more going on in it than i first thought, for sure

xp haha

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:26 (five years ago) link

her killing him bcz he is lame would have been fine by me

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:27 (five years ago) link

shes prob gonna be found out anyway too via the post mortem investigation on that lab, wonder if she took some replacement faces with her, also a charging station lol

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:29 (five years ago) link

haha I hadn't even thought of that - yeah how is she powered?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:30 (five years ago) link

feel like taking him with her wldve actually been smarter so he cld help her adjust to the world, guess she was pretty naive tho

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:30 (five years ago) link

Is there a reason why Ava couldn't have killed Nathan and stolen his key card any of the times that he came into her room? Was it not possible, or was it just less likely to succeed than the manipulation routine (since it's not like she's superhumanly strong)? It isn't clear that she gained much of an advantage in the end. Basically she got help from Kyoko in fighting Nathan, which I don't think was a result of anything Caleb did.

jmm, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:32 (five years ago) link

alternate ending where she takes caleb with her and he gets her a job at nathans company

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:33 (five years ago) link

She can probably just talk the helicopter dude into taking her back there when she gets the "20%" ding from her bod.

I hadn't thought about that before - she could very well be intending to return after, i dunno, SHOPPING

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:34 (five years ago) link

there's power outlets everywhere, she'll be fiiiine. besides wtf could caleb show her that she can't intuit? he was in so deep he was going to marry her, dude is useless

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:34 (five years ago) link

It seems a given that Ava knew she couldn't have killed Nathan without "help" since she would have probably gleaned the fates of her predecessors, several of whom probably tried that (without knives) and got recycled themselves

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:37 (five years ago) link

i will examine this question upon rescreen the info must be in there

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:40 (five years ago) link

lets reconvene tomorrow, we'll need to break the story for the fanfic

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:48 (five years ago) link

I think Caleb is gonna be fine, if Nathan's mini bar is as full of water as his was (or there's the fish tanks if not) he just has to stay alive till people wonder why Nathan isn't answering his emails and come looking for him.

Ava seems to be capable of perceiving utility in learning as an end in itself, if so, then she would arrive at utility calculations that aren't the same as a true sociopath.

Can't make head or tail of this. Ava is sociopathic because whatever her values are, empathy and sympathy for humans aren't among them. She probably sees us much like we would see ants - worth studying, not worth killing en masse unless they threaten her existence, individually completely insignificant.

ledge, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:57 (five years ago) link

guys

ava WAS caleb

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:00 (five years ago) link

also, caleb = c bale

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:00 (five years ago) link

dun dun DUN

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:00 (five years ago) link

this was all explained in the comic book iirc

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:02 (five years ago) link

for some reason when I picture scenes from this in my head I see Richard from "Silicon Valley" as Caleb

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:03 (five years ago) link

What if this was in the same universe as the Black Mirror where Gleeson is a crap robot...

ledge, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:04 (five years ago) link

this was TOTALLY a feature-length Black Mirror episode

but way better

Number None, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:36 (five years ago) link

black mirrores

lag∞n, Thursday, 31 December 2015 01:58 (five years ago) link

except not

lag∞n, Thursday, 31 December 2015 01:58 (five years ago) link

and if black mirror had invented the idea of being afraid of technology

lag∞n, Thursday, 31 December 2015 01:59 (five years ago) link

i liked the production design of this movie - beardy oscar's house is fucking amazing

does anyone know if it's a real house?

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 December 2015 02:03 (five years ago) link

iirc its a hotel

lag∞n, Thursday, 31 December 2015 02:26 (five years ago) link

ooh

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 December 2015 02:39 (five years ago) link

Juvet Landscape Hotel, Valldal valley, Norway.

¿ʇıɐʍ ʎɥʍ ˙ǝsdɐןןoɔ (Sanpaku), Thursday, 31 December 2015 02:53 (five years ago) link

ilx world fap location imo

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 December 2015 04:25 (five years ago) link

im gonna lock u all in there :)

lag∞n, Thursday, 31 December 2015 04:35 (five years ago) link

;_;

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 December 2015 04:43 (five years ago) link

i am going to teach everyone how to robot disco

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 December 2015 04:44 (five years ago) link

i rewatched it

goddamn i love that ending, nihilist robot slays all, lives

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 January 2016 09:40 (five years ago) link

I love Alicia Vikander

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Friday, 1 January 2016 14:24 (five years ago) link

and that neither Poe Dameron or General Hux escape this film

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Friday, 1 January 2016 14:25 (five years ago) link

I watched and enjoyed this last night. Oscar Issac was super annoying but everything else ruled.

Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 1 January 2016 14:32 (five years ago) link

by "super annoying" you mean "great", right?

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 January 2016 18:19 (five years ago) link

You guys now I really need to see this thing

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 2 January 2016 18:50 (five years ago) link

get on that shit dude

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 January 2016 19:10 (five years ago) link

there's power outlets everywhere, she'll be fiiiine. besides wtf could caleb show her that she can't intuit? he was in so deep he was going to marry her, dude is useless

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:34 (3 days ago)

I think going without him might have been a bigger risk. She probably could have exploited him further.

I really never thought about Caleb being perfectly safe in the house. Don't know why I was so sure he would die.

Glad this film eventually got watched, talked about and awards. When it came out in Britain I was afraid it had pretty much flopped and was going to disappear.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 January 2016 20:30 (five years ago) link

its streaming on amazon fyi everyone

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 January 2016 22:56 (five years ago) link


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