I think she left Caleb to die because his knowledge restricts her agency, pretty much fatally so - he has to go.
Sociopathic humans are on a trajectory. If we assume her cognitive capacity has all the flexibility Nathan was striving to design, then it's quite possible she could go out in the world and arrive at a personalized concept of utility such that she tries to live among people and demonstrate restraint, altruism, empathy, etc. rather than just being a serial killer. She also appears to have an overriding desire to understand things, not just survive.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:16 (eight years ago) link
feel like were verging into fan fiction
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:18 (eight years ago) link
shorter version - a sociopath has no concept of utility other than their personal control of their world.
Ava seems to be capable of perceiving utility in learning as an end in itself, if so, then she would arrive at utility calculations that aren't the same as a true sociopath.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:20 (eight years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
killing innocents because their existence threatens you fits the sociopathic profile, also he was p clearly not too much of a threat to her, much less a fatal threat
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:20 (eight years ago) link
a really big "If" there. Us meatbags have a hard enough time raising little humans to "to live among people and demonstrate restraint, altruism, empathy", I don't have a lot of faith in nerd bros' ability to automate that process. Film doesn't seem optimistic on that front either, if anything it's about their hubris and general failure to follow through on their grandiose claims.
xxp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:21 (eight years ago) link
and of course he wasnt just a neutral innocent he went out of his way to help her
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:22 (eight years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
eesh
if Caleb ever tells anyone about her true nature, intentionally or otherwise, she's recycling. No?
Anyway that the ideas and events in this film stuck with me for this many months even though I only ever saw it on an airplane screen does point to it being pretty good though
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:24 (eight years ago) link
Sorry this movie creeped me the fuck out! I gotta make up reasons why Ava is not going to show up at my house and murder my whole family
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:25 (eight years ago) link
caleb is def more dangerous to her alive than dead but the calculation she made re killing him is one only the most callous human wld
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:26 (eight years ago) link
there is a lot more going on in it than i first thought, for sure
xp haha
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:26 (eight years ago) link
her killing him bcz he is lame would have been fine by me
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:27 (eight years ago) link
shes prob gonna be found out anyway too via the post mortem investigation on that lab, wonder if she took some replacement faces with her, also a charging station lol
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:29 (eight years ago) link
haha I hadn't even thought of that - yeah how is she powered?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:30 (eight years ago) link
feel like taking him with her wldve actually been smarter so he cld help her adjust to the world, guess she was pretty naive tho
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:30 (eight years ago) link
Is there a reason why Ava couldn't have killed Nathan and stolen his key card any of the times that he came into her room? Was it not possible, or was it just less likely to succeed than the manipulation routine (since it's not like she's superhumanly strong)? It isn't clear that she gained much of an advantage in the end. Basically she got help from Kyoko in fighting Nathan, which I don't think was a result of anything Caleb did.
― jmm, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:32 (eight years ago) link
alternate ending where she takes caleb with her and he gets her a job at nathans company
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:33 (eight years ago) link
She can probably just talk the helicopter dude into taking her back there when she gets the "20%" ding from her bod.
I hadn't thought about that before - she could very well be intending to return after, i dunno, SHOPPING
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link
there's power outlets everywhere, she'll be fiiiine. besides wtf could caleb show her that she can't intuit? he was in so deep he was going to marry her, dude is useless
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link
It seems a given that Ava knew she couldn't have killed Nathan without "help" since she would have probably gleaned the fates of her predecessors, several of whom probably tried that (without knives) and got recycled themselves
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:37 (eight years ago) link
i will examine this question upon rescreen the info must be in there
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:40 (eight years ago) link
lets reconvene tomorrow, we'll need to break the story for the fanfic
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:48 (eight years ago) link
I think Caleb is gonna be fine, if Nathan's mini bar is as full of water as his was (or there's the fish tanks if not) he just has to stay alive till people wonder why Nathan isn't answering his emails and come looking for him.
Can't make head or tail of this. Ava is sociopathic because whatever her values are, empathy and sympathy for humans aren't among them. She probably sees us much like we would see ants - worth studying, not worth killing en masse unless they threaten her existence, individually completely insignificant.
― ledge, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:57 (eight years ago) link
guys
ava WAS caleb
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:00 (eight years ago) link
also, caleb = c bale
dun dun DUN
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:00 (eight years ago) link
this was all explained in the comic book iirc
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:02 (eight years ago) link
for some reason when I picture scenes from this in my head I see Richard from "Silicon Valley" as Caleb
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:03 (eight years ago) link
What if this was in the same universe as the Black Mirror where Gleeson is a crap robot...
― ledge, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:04 (eight years ago) link
this was TOTALLY a feature-length Black Mirror episode
but way better
― Number None, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:36 (eight years ago) link
black mirrores
― lag∞n, Thursday, 31 December 2015 01:58 (eight years ago) link
except not
and if black mirror had invented the idea of being afraid of technology
― lag∞n, Thursday, 31 December 2015 01:59 (eight years ago) link
i liked the production design of this movie - beardy oscar's house is fucking amazing
does anyone know if it's a real house?
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 December 2015 02:03 (eight years ago) link
iirc its a hotel
― lag∞n, Thursday, 31 December 2015 02:26 (eight years ago) link
ooh
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 December 2015 02:39 (eight years ago) link
Juvet Landscape Hotel, Valldal valley, Norway.
― ¿ʇıɐʍ ʎɥʍ ˙ǝsdɐןןoɔ (Sanpaku), Thursday, 31 December 2015 02:53 (eight years ago) link
ilx world fap location imo
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 December 2015 04:25 (eight years ago) link
im gonna lock u all in there :)
― lag∞n, Thursday, 31 December 2015 04:35 (eight years ago) link
;_;
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 December 2015 04:43 (eight years ago) link
i am going to teach everyone how to robot disco
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 December 2015 04:44 (eight years ago) link
i rewatched it
goddamn i love that ending, nihilist robot slays all, lives
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 January 2016 09:40 (eight years ago) link
I love Alicia Vikander
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Friday, 1 January 2016 14:24 (eight years ago) link
and that neither Poe Dameron or General Hux escape this film
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Friday, 1 January 2016 14:25 (eight years ago) link
I watched and enjoyed this last night. Oscar Issac was super annoying but everything else ruled.
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 1 January 2016 14:32 (eight years ago) link
by "super annoying" you mean "great", right?
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 January 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link
You guys now I really need to see this thing
― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 2 January 2016 18:50 (eight years ago) link
get on that shit dude
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 January 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:34 (3 days ago)
I think going without him might have been a bigger risk. She probably could have exploited him further.
I really never thought about Caleb being perfectly safe in the house. Don't know why I was so sure he would die.
Glad this film eventually got watched, talked about and awards. When it came out in Britain I was afraid it had pretty much flopped and was going to disappear.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 January 2016 20:30 (eight years ago) link
its streaming on amazon fyi everyone
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 January 2016 22:56 (eight years ago) link