Ex Machina: The Motion Picture

although i guess... theres no way... ... to really know

yeah, I think it is a happy ending for her, but she's also clearly a sociopath with no meaningful connection to humanity - she's designed to study, exploit and survive

i mean i dont think her actions were really that sociopathic when you look at it from the pov of needing to escape unjust imprisonment but the way she seemed while doing it seemed v much nobody home

also nathan who knew her best was def aware that she wld kill w/o remorse

you don't think it was sociopathic to condemn the guy responsible for her freedom to death?

an empty vessel for self interested algorithms

Humans that lack compassion, empathy, gratitude, and remorse pose similar risks.

although idk maybe sociopath is the wrong term, it feels similar to calling a can opener or a shark a sociopath - a human term misapplied to something non-human.

xp

you don't think it was sociopathic to condemn the guy responsible for her freedom to death?

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he was so laame tho

lol

I think she left Caleb to die because his knowledge restricts her agency, pretty much fatally so - he has to go.

Sociopathic humans are on a trajectory. If we assume her cognitive capacity has all the flexibility Nathan was striving to design, then it's quite possible she could go out in the world and arrive at a personalized concept of utility such that she tries to live among people and demonstrate restraint, altruism, empathy, etc. rather than just being a serial killer. She also appears to have an overriding desire to understand things, not just survive.

feel like were verging into fan fiction

shorter version - a sociopath has no concept of utility other than their personal control of their world.

Ava seems to be capable of perceiving utility in learning as an end in itself, if so, then she would arrive at utility calculations that aren't the same as a true sociopath.

I think she left Caleb to die because his knowledge restricts her agency, pretty much fatally so - he has to go.

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

killing innocents because their existence threatens you fits the sociopathic profile, also he was p clearly not too much of a threat to her, much less a fatal threat

a really big "If" there. Us meatbags have a hard enough time raising little humans to "to live among people and demonstrate restraint, altruism, empathy", I don't have a lot of faith in nerd bros' ability to automate that process. Film doesn't seem optimistic on that front either, if anything it's about their hubris and general failure to follow through on their grandiose claims.

xxp

and of course he wasnt just a neutral innocent he went out of his way to help her

Ava seems to be capable of perceiving utility in learning as an end in itself, if so, then she would arrive at utility calculations that aren't the same as a true sociopath.

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eesh

if Caleb ever tells anyone about her true nature, intentionally or otherwise, she's recycling. No?

Anyway that the ideas and events in this film stuck with me for this many months even though I only ever saw it on an airplane screen does point to it being pretty good though

Sorry this movie creeped me the fuck out! I gotta make up reasons why Ava is not going to show up at my house and murder my whole family

caleb is def more dangerous to her alive than dead but the calculation she made re killing him is one only the most callous human wld

there is a lot more going on in it than i first thought, for sure

xp haha

her killing him bcz he is lame would have been fine by me

shes prob gonna be found out anyway too via the post mortem investigation on that lab, wonder if she took some replacement faces with her, also a charging station lol

haha I hadn't even thought of that - yeah how is she powered?

feel like taking him with her wldve actually been smarter so he cld help her adjust to the world, guess she was pretty naive tho

Is there a reason why Ava couldn't have killed Nathan and stolen his key card any of the times that he came into her room? Was it not possible, or was it just less likely to succeed than the manipulation routine (since it's not like she's superhumanly strong)? It isn't clear that she gained much of an advantage in the end. Basically she got help from Kyoko in fighting Nathan, which I don't think was a result of anything Caleb did.

alternate ending where she takes caleb with her and he gets her a job at nathans company

She can probably just talk the helicopter dude into taking her back there when she gets the "20%" ding from her bod.

I hadn't thought about that before - she could very well be intending to return after, i dunno, SHOPPING

there's power outlets everywhere, she'll be fiiiine. besides wtf could caleb show her that she can't intuit? he was in so deep he was going to marry her, dude is useless

It seems a given that Ava knew she couldn't have killed Nathan without "help" since she would have probably gleaned the fates of her predecessors, several of whom probably tried that (without knives) and got recycled themselves

i will examine this question upon rescreen the info must be in there

lets reconvene tomorrow, we'll need to break the story for the fanfic

I think Caleb is gonna be fine, if Nathan's mini bar is as full of water as his was (or there's the fish tanks if not) he just has to stay alive till people wonder why Nathan isn't answering his emails and come looking for him.

Ava seems to be capable of perceiving utility in learning as an end in itself, if so, then she would arrive at utility calculations that aren't the same as a true sociopath.

Can't make head or tail of this. Ava is sociopathic because whatever her values are, empathy and sympathy for humans aren't among them. She probably sees us much like we would see ants - worth studying, not worth killing en masse unless they threaten her existence, individually completely insignificant.

guys

ava WAS caleb

also, caleb = c bale

dun dun DUN

this was all explained in the comic book iirc

for some reason when I picture scenes from this in my head I see Richard from "Silicon Valley" as Caleb

What if this was in the same universe as the Black Mirror where Gleeson is a crap robot...

this was TOTALLY a feature-length Black Mirror episode

but way better

black mirrores

except not

and if black mirror had invented the idea of being afraid of technology

i liked the production design of this movie - beardy oscar's house is fucking amazing

does anyone know if it's a real house?

iirc its a hotel

ooh

Juvet Landscape Hotel, Valldal valley, Norway.

ilx world fap location imo

im gonna lock u all in there :)

;_;

i am going to teach everyone how to robot disco