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anyone got the first volume yet? (i'm wary of asking this question as i know several folks around here have expressed extreme peanuts-disdain in the past) (to which i say unprintable things) it's supposed to be out this month, but i haven't seen any copies in the bookstore yet. also, what are the best (or worst) fantagraphics publications you've seen?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I wasn't ever too interested in Peanuts. I would read it when I read the funnies.

Generally, I'm a bit ambivalent to what Fantagraphics puts out. I really like Chris Ware, Crumb, Clowes, and Tony Millionare, but a lot of the other things I've read by other authors/artists haven't impressed me. Does anyone else thing Fantagraphics is kind-of sedate?

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Friday, 9 April 2004 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Fantagraphics best things have been reprints, even though I love Clowes and the Hernandez brothers. I treasure their current Krazy Kat collections, and I have the complete run of Segar Popeye dailies thanks to them, which may be the one thing I'd rank pretty much alongside the Krazy Sunday pages. And when I was heavily involved in comics the Comics Journal was the magazine I admired far above any other, the standard to which I aspired (with some differences).

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 9 April 2004 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

hopefully the success of the peanuts series will give fantagraphics the chance to reprint lots of other classic strips - maybe even finish the pogo series that ground to a halt a few years back. i hope they reprint the popeye books at some point, martin's high regard for them has me curious. i do remember thinking the sundays that got reprinted in "the smithsonian book of newspaper comics" were hilarious. "wimpy? oh, you must mean someone else...jones is my name, i'm one of the jones boys!"

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 10 April 2004 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm a bit worried...I found bunches of copies of their first Krazy Kat compilation at 50% off at a Virgin Megastore (is it not selling so well?). And good lord, they need to continue with the Feiffer reprints...the last one (volume three) came out TWELVE YEARS AGO...

Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

The Popeye dailies are even better than the Sundays - it's a peerless blend of adventure and comedy.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 12 April 2004 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I love the incredible misery of that Seth-designed Peanuts cover.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
If I get one complete Peanuts volume, which one should it be?!

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:11 (fifteen years ago) link

i'd say wait a few years... the 1950s stuff they're reprinting now is a little stiff, a little dry - its only rteally becoming the strip it was in the latest volume, so - personally - i'd wait till the 1960s stuff gets reprinted, and choose one of those.

alternatively, search out the Peanuts Classics volume, and also Peanuts Treasury (both british publishers, i think) on amazon - thick hardback books packed with prime peanuts dailies and sundays. and the Golden Celebration is pretty fab, as is the earlier 'you don't look 35, charlie brown'...

i am not a nugget (stevie), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link

i'd say wait a few years... the 1950s stuff they're reprinting now is a little stiff, a little dry - its only rteally becoming the strip it was in the latest volume, so - personally - i'd wait till the 1960s stuff gets reprinted, and choose one of those.

alternatively, search out the Peanuts Classics volume, and also Peanuts Treasury (both british publishers, i think) on amazon - thick hardback books packed with prime peanuts dailies and sundays. and the Golden Celebration is pretty fab, as is the earlier 'you don't look 35, charlie brown'...

the art of peanuts is brilliant, also, but a more impressionistic collection, reprinting actual newsprint strips along with ephemera and merchandising.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link

so good i had to say it twice

i am not a nugget (stevie), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

If you just want one volume of Peanuts, try to track down "The Snoopy Festival", an old anthology of late-60s early-70s stuff. "Peanuts Treasury", which got reprinted a few years ago, is similar, and also pretty classic 60s stuff.

If you already have some Peanuts and want to try out the Fantagraphics books, get the first one. The very early Peanuts strips are strikingly different from what it would become and makes for interesting reading. Then get all the rest.

¯\(º_o)/¯ (Chris Piuma), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks dudes. I'll probably wait for future F-grfx collections.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Art-wise, volume one is the absolute bomb. I love Schulz's early, clean-line style. Volume one probably looks the most modern of the Peanuts stuff I've seen, paradoxically enough.

Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link

¯\(º_o)/¯ vs. c("c)!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, I never read c("c) as an image before! D'oh. I thought it was like t//t or whatever.

¯\(º_o)/¯ (Chris Piuma), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 08:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Peanuts reruns from UFS are currently in 1959, if you want a free look at what the next Fantagraphics volume will contain.

The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 12:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Those reruns jump back and forth throughout the run. Not a bad thing neccesarily, just saying from week to week you don't know what you'll see.
one year passes...

From Fantagraphics spamco. in Seattle:

"UNSEEN PEANUTS" Revealed This Friday!

Fantagraphics Bookstore & Gallery, in association with the Charles M.
Schulz Museum and Research Center, is pleased to present "Unseen
Peanuts." This collection of full size, rarely seen Peanuts strips
opens with a daylong preview on Friday, November 23 from 11:30 until
8:00 PM, highlighted by an "Unseen Peanuts" slide presentation by
Fantagraphics Books co-publisher Kim Thompson at 6:00 PM. The public
of all ages is invited to this free event.

Perhaps no American artist is more closely associated with the
holidays than Peanuts creator Charles M. Schulz. Kim Thompson, co-
editor of the Complete Peanuts series, points out that even though
Peanuts is the most-reprinted comic strip in history, several
thousand strips had never been collected until The Complete Peanuts
project began in 2004. The show includes a companion 32-page "Unseen
Peanuts" comic book catalogue featuring over 150 more of these "lost"
strips. This fully annotated publication is available for free with
any purchase exclusively at Fantagraphics Bookstore & Gallery.

Get an early start on your holiday shopping at Fantagraphics
Bookstore & Gallery, located at 1201 S. Vale St. (at Airport way S.)
in the heart of Seattle's lively Georgetown business district.
Throughout the month of November all comic strip reprints, including
The Complete Peanuts, are offered at 20 % off, and pick up our free
"Comic Strip Masterpieces" tabloid.

"Unseen Peanuts" remains on view through December 31. Fantagraphics
Bookstore & Gallery is open daily 11:30 - 8:00 PM, Sundays until 5:00
PM. 206.658.0110.

Mackro Mackro, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

If I get one complete Peanuts volume, which one should it be?!
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:11 PM (8 years ago)

i'd say wait a few years... the 1950s stuff they're reprinting now is a little stiff, a little dry - its only rteally becoming the strip it was in the latest volume, so - personally - i'd wait till the 1960s stuff gets reprinted, and choose one of those.
― i am not a nugget (stevie), Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:46 PM (8 years ago)

so it looks like all of the 60s/70s fantagraphics volumes are released, can i go wrong with any of them or is there an essential pick??

dutch_justice, Thursday, 7 May 2015 08:29 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

I bought We Told You So, the oral history of Fantagraphics. You could stun livestock with this thing... I'm looking forward to plowing through over the next few months. Seems meticulously put together, but definitely a couple of quibbles -- Eros Comix is left out of the bibliography completely, and the artist who drew the front cover illo isn't credited anywhere in the book that I can tell.

scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 14:46 (four years ago) link

Cover illustration has to be by Clowes?

Bongo Herbert (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 14:49 (four years ago) link

I guess? I wasn't 100% sure. Wait, there's a little "DC" in the bottom right. But if he's credited anywhere, I can't find it.

scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 14:52 (four years ago) link

Dale Crain: One of the most clever things ever was Kim one night taping several sheets of paper together to form an endless loop and faxing it to Comics Buyers's Guide to burn up all their fax paper — and hopefully their fax machine, too.

scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Monday, 20 February 2017 20:11 (four years ago) link

The cover has been waiting since the book was originally going to come out; maybe Clowes' credit got lost in the intervening decade. I'm pretty sure it's been heavily cropped.

(±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Monday, 20 February 2017 22:37 (four years ago) link

also I can't tell who the beardo in the back with Spurge, Harvey & Fiore is meant to be

(±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Monday, 20 February 2017 22:38 (four years ago) link

Is it interesting enough for someone with only a passing knowledge of Fantagraphics? Speaking as someone who enjoyed the Sean Howe book before they'd read much Marvel.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 20 February 2017 23:35 (four years ago) link

Yeah, I think it is. It provides a series of snapshots of the whole industry, even if they're shot through a Fantagraphics lens. The Howe book is a good comparison point, but this behemoth has so much more archival art and correspondence and such. It really takes me back to my earliest fan days (I subscribed to TBG in '77, started buying TCJ not long after the Harlan Ellison interview in #53).

scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Monday, 20 February 2017 23:50 (four years ago) link

This is good but I found there were plenty of parts where the topic is this or that Fantagraphics staffer who didn't necessarily play a part in the big picture and doesn't seem that interesting unless you were there I guess? Feels like there is stuff like that that could have been cut and made it a tighter read.

new noise, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 01:23 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

'best-of' humble bundle just went live, inc los bros, bagge, many others: https://www.humblebundle.com/books/best-of-fantagraphics-comics

the shape of a hot willie lumpkin (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 18:11 (three years ago) link

If only I didn't have such an irrational aversion to paying money for digital comics. Much rather add to the growing fire hazard in my home.

Re: this thread topic in particular, I finally have all but the final box set. It's a lot of goddamn books, man.

I Dream of Juice (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 18:17 (three years ago) link

Idly picked up one of the mid-60s volumes from the library, had the initial Snoopy-as-Red-Baron strips so good

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 18:20 (three years ago) link

vs

I meant

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 18:20 (three years ago) link

I will be eternally thankful that I got my hands on my uncle's discarded paperbacks of '50s and '60s strips at the point when the daily strip was in its decline. I might've never been inclined to really check it out if I didn't know at a young age how good it had once been.

I Dream of Juice (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 18:25 (three years ago) link

yeah, similarly I had a handful of paperback collections from older relatives that were reprints of 60s strips (Snoopy leaves town for a tennis tournament?! Charlie meets Joe Shlabotnik etc)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 18:28 (three years ago) link

Re: this thread topic in particular, I finally have all but the final box set. It's a lot of goddamn books, man.

I stopped at 1971–74. Am I missing anything particularly worthwhile in the later years?

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 22:37 (three years ago) link

I think I stopped about the same place as you so this question is related to my interests.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Thursday, 3 August 2017 09:14 (three years ago) link

My last box set was 67-70 but I haven't read it. I'm waiting for a reprint of the 63-66 box. Also, I'm waiting for a reprint of Walt & Skeezix Book 3. Kind of frustrating because 4,5,6 are available.

the ghost of lorax past (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 3 August 2017 12:21 (three years ago) link

Single out-of-print volumes from comics reprint series are the banes of my existence (LOOKING AT YOU, KRAZY KAT).

I'm Calling My Loyer! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 August 2017 12:27 (three years ago) link

I grew up with paperbacks of the 70s stuff so I have to rep for 73-74, which includes Charlie Brown's baseball rash/tenure as "Mister Sack.". Circa 1978 is the Crybaby Boobie tennis stuff but I'm not sure if any of that is actually good, or just fondly remembered.

﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 3 August 2017 13:34 (three years ago) link

Is there a peak era to check out, if you just want a book or two?

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 3 August 2017 14:01 (three years ago) link

I would say start from the start. It starts out amazingly strong, and Schulz's draftsmanship in the '50s was impeccable.

I'm Calling My Loyer! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 August 2017 14:03 (three years ago) link

if you only want a book or two the peak era is late-50s thru the 60s.

new noise, Thursday, 3 August 2017 14:41 (three years ago) link

Yeah, Fantagraphics do a nice slipcase edition of volumes 5 and 6 (1959 - 1962) in paperback or hardback - probably the box to get if you're only getting one.

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 3 August 2017 14:53 (three years ago) link

It's probably only necessary to own all twenty-six volumes of this if you have a degenerative brain disease (sometimes referred to as 'completism') like me.

I'm Calling My Loyer! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 August 2017 15:13 (three years ago) link

I do find the late Peanuts strips a bit dispiriting - Schulz's line visibly deteriorating, going down to three panels, excessive focus on Snoopy and Woodstock, too many fucking strips abt sports - but there are still great sequences well into the 1970s at least. Peppermint Patty doesn't even appear until 1966 for example, well past the generally agreed peak period.

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 3 August 2017 15:27 (three years ago) link

I love Patty but can't actually remember any classic strips I love her in, since the 'greatest hits' type collections I moved on to from the 70s paperbacks leaned heavily on pre-Patty stuff. I think a ton of my affection is based on her animated presentation, especially the way she delivers "Prepare the secret ballot!" in Race For Your Life, Charlie Brown.

﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 3 August 2017 15:39 (three years ago) link

I would say start from the start. It starts out amazingly strong, and Schulz's draftsmanship in the '50s was impeccable.

I second this -- there's so much great stuff starting right from the beginning (and going all the way thru the '60s). Also, part of the experience is how the strip evolves.

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 3 August 2017 18:30 (three years ago) link

the first strip alone is worth it

Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 August 2017 18:31 (three years ago) link

Thanks! I did see that in my online browsing... will try to find a copy at a reasonable price, appreciate the tip.

bagel in the streets, donut in the sheets (morrisp), Monday, 19 October 2020 04:09 (nine months ago) link

that's a great one

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 23 October 2020 15:24 (nine months ago) link

https://biblioklept.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/unloved.jpg

One of my favourite depressing Peanuts has a similar “gag”

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 23 October 2020 21:34 (nine months ago) link

^^ me and my therapist talked about this strip in our session last week!

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 23 October 2020 21:35 (nine months ago) link

that's a great one. the way charlie brown gradually reacts to the rain is wonderfully paced.

and schulz drew rain just beautifully, maybe better than any other cartoonist.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 23 October 2020 22:58 (nine months ago) link

The other night, we happened to land on a series of strips from October 1964, timed for the run-up to that year's election. Linus is running for class president (with Charlie Brown as his VP) -- and he's crushing it in the polls, until...

A few of the strips dealing with Lucy as his pollster are particularly funny.

New Adventures in WiFi (morrisp), Friday, 23 October 2020 23:45 (nine months ago) link

"The Best of Ernie Bushmiller's Nancy" by Brian Walker is a fantastic collection if you can find it.

I was bidding on a copy on eBay (“Also included is a copy of Nancy and Sluggo. Best of is in new new condition”)... someone swooped in at the last minute and outbid me :(

New Adventures in WiFi (morrisp), Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:55 (nine months ago) link

Good Lord @ Oct 12 - 14 in that election set

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 26 October 2020 00:31 (nine months ago) link

The more things change, huh?

New Adventures in WiFi (morrisp), Monday, 26 October 2020 02:36 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Joe Cool is lame, and the strip had largely become half-baked gags and “hip” cultural references at this point — but this Sunday from September 1971 snaps into focus in the final few panels, and really captures something.

Tim Simms (morrisp), Friday, 13 November 2020 05:15 (eight months ago) link

v Feiffer / Village Voice vibes

@oneposter (⛰️) (sic), Friday, 13 November 2020 08:08 (eight months ago) link

i get a really low res image at that link.

is this better?

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/peanuts/images/f/f5/19710912.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/600?cb=20140217024403

link to page. it's the 12th

https://peanuts.fandom.com/wiki/September_1971_comic_strips

koogs, Friday, 13 November 2020 11:12 (eight months ago) link

six months pass...

Was looking for another volume of Bushmiller’s Nancy strips—turns out Fantagraphics only published three volumes of dailies (and never any Sundays). We have the first and second volumes. Of the three, only the second is still in print; the other two are OOP and $$$. I guess interest was pretty low.

Circling back to this—my son is constantly rereading the two volumes we have, so I was poking around online for that old Brian Walker book or whatever else I can find. Turns out all three Fantagraphics books are now OOP, and going for $$$$. (Too bad ours aren’t in mint condition, or I’d sell ’em for his college fund.)

I don’t know anything about the economics of this stuff, but why doesn’t Fantagr. reprint when demand is (clearly) there? Have they lost the rights or something?

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 30 May 2021 04:41 (one month ago) link

Well, filtering down to “Completed items” in eBay reveals that some of these listing prices on eBay/Amazon are grossly inflated/optimistic. The actual sale prices of the Fantagraphics volumes seem to average around $75 each. Still OOP, though!

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 30 May 2021 04:47 (one month ago) link

Fanta are just kinda not super competent I think?

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Sunday, 30 May 2021 04:55 (one month ago) link

If the consumer demand is actually an order of magnitude greater than what they printed on those three volumes, hence it being worthwhile doing a second run on each AND committing to doing dozens more, wouldn’t that make either the retailers incompetent (for not getting them to customers), or the customers incompetent (for making their purchases online from third parties instead of Fanta)?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 30 May 2021 05:45 (one month ago) link

lol, knew sic would be bounding in to defend Fanta's reprint practices.

I won't challenge their competence because I love them but it's frustrating nonetheless. I'm glad I was able to get their complete Peanuts and Popeye collections but that was more a result of luck and timing than anything else (as my half-finished Krazy Kat collection looks at me sadly and urges me to drop mad bank on that OOP volume that brought my collecting to a dead halt). Never bothered with the Nancys at all although I'd love to have 'em.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Sunday, 30 May 2021 10:14 (one month ago) link

not sure how supply exceeding demand for nine years (N I N E) (9) is any evidence of a drastic underprinting that requires defense, but happy to look at your spreadsheets to the contrary

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 30 May 2021 11:55 (one month ago) link

PS:

https://i.imgur.com/LZ2ZZbx.gif

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 30 May 2021 12:04 (one month ago) link

I gave up on trying to nab the Nancys before N I N E years had elapsed. It was probably H A L F that span of time.

I'd have to double check my spreadsheet to be sure, but I think the Don Rosa duck collections were the most recent thing I preemptively gave up on collecting after seeing volumes fall OOP super fast.

Also, tbf, Fanta is hardly alone on this front.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Sunday, 30 May 2021 14:44 (one month ago) link

I was going to say, is that a long time for stuff like this to be in print? I have honestly no idea. (FWIW, the third volume was published seven years ago.) Those Complete Peanuts books seem to stay available, but Peanuts is Peanuts.

Guess I’m also comparing it to children’s books in general, which seem to stay in print forever (as there are new kids to read them every year). Of course, Nancy is no Corduroy.

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 30 May 2021 15:05 (one month ago) link

I don’t know what’s going on here, but I just assumed money is being left on the table:

https://i.imgur.com/1gaNbyd_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 30 May 2021 15:19 (one month ago) link

(F#%* yr .43 cents!! lol)

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 30 May 2021 15:20 (one month ago) link

Books that shouldn't be out of print

sleeve, Sunday, 30 May 2021 15:21 (one month ago) link

the market for fancy reprints of decades-old funny books just isn't very large. publishers the size of fantagraphics can't afford to keep books in print in perpetuity for a relatively tiny audience.

visiting, Sunday, 30 May 2021 15:24 (one month ago) link

wtf, I meant to post James Redd's $900 books thread but it won't let me

sleeve, Sunday, 30 May 2021 15:24 (one month ago) link

Out Of Print Book Price Sticker Shock

visiting, Sunday, 30 May 2021 15:29 (one month ago) link

weird, the title changed. thanks.

sleeve, Sunday, 30 May 2021 15:34 (one month ago) link

i had the same problem... something about the dollar sign maybe which stopped me from posting so I took it out.

visiting, Sunday, 30 May 2021 15:35 (one month ago) link

I don’t know what’s going on here, but I just assumed money is being left on the table:

that money is entirely imaginary! you yourself noted that nobody is paying those algorithmically-generated prices, to a seller that may not even have a copy of the book. what are the rest of Silver Ocean's listings like?.

even if someone was, and without knowing any of the actual numbers involved, from your and OL's account it looks like what happened is:

- the minimum profitable print run on a Nancy dailies book is (let's say) 3,000

- Fanta print 3,200 copies of Nancy Dailies 1, it sells strongly
- they print 3,600 copies of Nancy Dailies 2, it sells fine, maybe reorders at this point wipe out any leftovers from #1
- they wait two years because most of the overprint on #2 is still sitting in the warehouse
- they cautiously print 3,300 of Nancy Dailies 3 and sell them over a couple of years, but there's no retailer demand or customer feedback indicating that another 3,000 people want #1
- hundreds of copies of #2 continue to take up space in the warehouse, available at half cover price (twice a year) to online customers and 60% off to retailers
- five years after that the last of #2 get picked up, indicating the precise degree of thirst for Bushmiller that the market possesses.

Even if there's one rando out there willing to pay $970.43 for a copy, a publisher is still going to lose money by licensing, sourcing, restoring, editing, laying out, printing, shipping and storing the other two thousand and ninety nine copies.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 30 May 2021 20:31 (one month ago) link

Well, I said the completed eBay listings were obviously a better indication of the book’s actual market value… I just pasted that Amazon listing to show what gave rise to my initial “???” reaction (and there’s another new copy posted for $499 on eBay right now).

And yes, I don’t know how many copies they have to sell before they start profiting… Interesting to have that analysis, thanks

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 30 May 2021 20:39 (one month ago) link

Another factor in the waning interest may be that the strips in that 1st/red volume (fortunately one of the ones we have) are great, while the ones in volume two (yellow book) are less great… I imagine the later ones in vol. three may further reflect that downward trend. Fanta should’ve gone backwards!

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 30 May 2021 20:48 (one month ago) link

There are 11 copies of Vol. 3 on Amazon at the moment, ranging in price from $99 (“Like New”) to $300 (“Very Good”). No completed listings on eBay for that one; the active listings are $149.95 (“New”), $399 (“NM-“), and $399.99 (“Very nice condition, from my own personal collection. Purchased new and read once.”)

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 30 May 2021 20:55 (one month ago) link

They did/do the Carl Barks books out of order (with volume numbers in small print inside) so that they could start with strong material, and not have the biggest sales on his earliest / weakest material. Naturally, a bunch of 60-year-old nerds got mad about this when the series started.

One suspects a big factor in a potential demand drop-off after Nancy volume 1 is simply that 344 pages of Bushmiller is more than plenty for many buyers.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 30 May 2021 21:04 (one month ago) link

the nancy books were done that way to. they had planned on a later volume collecting the strips that came before nancy is happy, partly because some of them were missing.

visiting, Sunday, 30 May 2021 21:17 (one month ago) link

Nancy Is Marginal :(

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 30 May 2021 21:25 (one month ago) link

Kitchen Sink had already fairly solidly tested the audience for Nancy collections in the '80s, thanks to the publisher's personal huge fandom. Fanta might have made it to a few more volumes if they'd launched during Jaimesmania, but even the book-expansion of How To Read Nancy came out while Gilchrist was still in the saddle.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 30 May 2021 21:32 (one month ago) link

It’s in an interesting position b/c it’s still an active strip, but I guess kids aren’t closing the Sunday funnies and demanding books of 80-year-old Nancy strips.

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 30 May 2021 21:42 (one month ago) link

FTR, I wasn't suggesting that Fanta or other like publishers were like doing something to us or whatevs. I appreciate that they're willing to put out such nice collections of this material. I wish there was a solution to the OOP problem for those who don't get in on the ground floor. Like, if I hadn't started buying the Peanuts slipcover collections when they first started coming out twenty years ago, a couple of them would be priced out of my reach now. But at least they seem to be reprinting everything as softcovers now in that particular instance.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Monday, 31 May 2021 19:41 (one month ago) link

it gets into really fundamentally thorny/sticky questions of archiving/publication/preservation in the form of consumer goods imo. not everything we'd like to see immortalized will bear the supply/demand equation of a comprehensive publication regime at any particular moment. very few things, today. and maybe some works are actually better served not by complete publications, but by, say having complete collections in library/archive contexts, and only very carefully curated "best of" volumes put together for publication and enabling people to discover them and understand why they matter(ed), and fall in love with them. of course, deciding what "deserves" that treatment is a problem that never goes away. but the absolute mountain of pop culture in the rearview only gets bigger with each passing year, and we can't count on it being solely the job of Fanta-esque publishers to handle it. and even if they did, eventually those volumes will become scarce and rare and the work would have to be done again in fifty or a hundred or five hundred years, if Nancy and Peanuts still matter to people then.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Monday, 31 May 2021 20:00 (one month ago) link

My son is committed to getting the entire run of Peanuts books (we’re currently up to ’78), despite the decline in humor in later years.

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Monday, 31 May 2021 20:01 (one month ago) link

eventually those volumes will become scarce and rare and the work would have to be done again in fifty or a hundred or five hundred years, if Nancy and Peanuts still matter to people then

And the stuff will be public domain at some point, which will change the equation in certain ways (both good and bad).

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Monday, 31 May 2021 20:05 (one month ago) link

I’m glad I encountered Krazy Kat as a kid in the form of the few best-of volumes, and not some voluminous complete library (which likely would’ve turned me off).

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Monday, 31 May 2021 20:06 (one month ago) link

Berke Breathed made a joke at some point about not needing to reprint the Bloom County collections, because half the country has moldy copies of those books in their bathroom.

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Monday, 31 May 2021 20:09 (one month ago) link

books going out of print has been a challenge to readers for approx 519 years now, one impecunious publisher of niche material, run out of a leaky house next to an interstate, is unlikely to innovate a solution

(getting fifteen deep into a single series of softcover-replacing-hardcover comics reprints might be a North American first though tbf? for that matter, Cochran's EC Library is the only NA complete hardcover series I can think of longer than Fanta's Peanuts.)

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 31 May 2021 20:32 (one month ago) link

They managed to innovate a solution to the (non-)problem of me not normally getting uncomfortably aroused by the back half of a retail catalog in my teenage years.

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Monday, 31 May 2021 20:48 (one month ago) link

circa 2003, I picked up three or four random volumes of the NBM/Bill Blackbeard reprints of Wash Tubbs and Captain Easy at two or three bucks a pop. they were immensely fun to read through once, and gave me a good sense of that comic that's still vivid today. but to collect beyond that seemed insane --- there were 18 volumes of those things! i never saw a single other one at any store anywhere! and why bother tracking down just one or two? it was like, completism or nothing. so for my needs, a single fancy treasury that gathered only the greatest epic storylines, with a section in the back introducing the formative early gag-strip years, would have been perfect. and yet, massive kudos to them for accomplishing that project, true comics-historical heroism.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Monday, 31 May 2021 20:52 (one month ago) link

They managed to innovate a solution to the (non-)problem of me not normally getting uncomfortably aroused by the back half of a retail catalog in my teenage years.

the cover hadn't gotten you started?

https://i.imgur.com/xsPimTE.jpg

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 31 May 2021 21:34 (one month ago) link


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