Superman in the Cotton Fields: Race in Comics

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column best read if you don't look at the writer's headshot until after

http://popmatters.com/columns/poole/050427.shtml

Huk-L, Friday, 29 April 2005 17:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

When Jack Kirby again drew the Black Panther for another solo title in 1977, the trend of a depoliticizing Marvel's only "major" black character continued. In the first story arc, T'Challa fought otherworldly enemies, and am African princess, for possession of a mystical brass frog. This is hardly biting political satire.

Uh, was it supposed to be? Doesn't politicizing ALL black characters amount to one-dimensional storytelling?

Huk-L, Friday, 29 April 2005 17:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

How deeply embarrassing for him.

1) Why do (white) people think racists only exist in the South?
2) Does he not have an editor?
3) Judging work from previous eras by the standards of the current era without understanding the moral climate of those bygone eras is sixth-grade critical analysis at best.
4) THANK YOU WHITEY FOR SO BRAVELY DEFENDING MY POOR DOWNTRODDEN PEOPLE (ps fuck off)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 April 2005 17:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I was going to add to my original caveat: "column perhaps best not read at all"

apparantly, he's also written about the lack of black NASCAR drivers.

Huk-L, Friday, 29 April 2005 17:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh jeez.
Fifty years after Brown v. Board, why does this particular leisure activity remain one of the most segregated in America?

Huk-L, Friday, 29 April 2005 17:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's a scab I can't stop picking!

Although its better not to get too theoretical here [though if you are interested in this line of argument, take a look at my article on NASCAR and economic class in Studies in Popular Culture (October 2002)], the larger point is perhaps that there is racism and then there is racism.

Huk-L, Friday, 29 April 2005 17:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Last one, promise:

The country boys are leaving the sport but isn't it interesting that the ride NASCAR takes us for remains "white knuckle" in every sense of the word?

Huk-L, Friday, 29 April 2005 17:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Argh

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 29 April 2005 17:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dave Chapelle's WHITE POWER to thread!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 29 April 2005 17:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Although its better not to get too theoretical here [though if you are interested in this line of argument, take a look at my article on NASCAR and economic class in Studies in Popular Culture (October 2002)], the larger point is perhaps that there is racism and then there is racism.

The Ghost of This Bears Repeating (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Bill Cosby would kick this man's ass.

The Ghost of Pudding Pop Up The Pooper (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

http://popmatters.com/columns/poole/images/poole-photo.jpg

"My tiny fist cannot hide the overflowing tooliness of my punchable face."

The Ghost of GET A ROPE (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Um also he hasn't actually read much 70s Black Panther. As I understand it the reason the Kirby storyline was controversial is that it replaced an ongoing storyline by Don McGregor in which the Panther fought the KKK - in America.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And no mention of the Black Leopard debacle - this is the result of 5 minutes with Google by the way not a lifetime of Black Panther fandom.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

But Tom, there is racism and then there is racism.

The Ghost of Complete And Utter Giggletits (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 April 2005 19:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Wowzers!

Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Friday, 29 April 2005 23:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well, then, I thought I was a racist, but I guess I'm REALLY a racist.

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 30 April 2005 00:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and i'm a southerner - you know what that means

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 30 April 2005 06:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

son uva bitch

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 30 April 2005 07:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hooper: For years in this industry, whenever an African American character, hero or villain, was introduced - usually by white artists and writers - they got slapped with racist names that singled them out as Negroes. Now, my book, "White-Hating Coon," don't have none of that bullshit. The hero's name is Maleekwa, and he's descended from the black tribe that established the first society on the planet, while all you European motherfuckers were hiding out in caves and shit, all terrified of the sun. He's a strong role model that a young black reader can look up to. Cause I'm here to tell you, the chickens is coming home to roost, y'all. The black man's no longer gonna play the minstrel in the realm of comics and sci-fi fantasy. We keepin it real, and we gonna get respect by any means necessary.

Holden: Ah, come on, that's a bunch of horse shit! Lando Calrissian was a black guy. You know, and he got to fly the Millennium Falcon, what's the matter with you?

Hooper: Who said that?

Holden: I did! Lando Calrissian is a strong role-model in the realm of science fiction/fantasy.

Hooper: Fuck Lando Calrissian! Uncle-Tom nigger!

The Irrelevant Man (Negativa) (Barima), Saturday, 30 April 2005 13:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yet these are lily-white celebrations of superpower and heroism.

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 April 2005 22:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
Oh boy.
http://www.stormfront.org/archive/t-212429Batman_Begins_(2005).html

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 June 2005 18:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

QUICK MODS, DE-LINK THAT POST!!!
seriously
I'm sorry.

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 June 2005 18:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Watch it there, son.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 23 June 2005 18:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I didn't realize what s'front was. It was posted on the DC Boards and I thought it was just some ignorant stuff, but it's ORGANIZED Ignorance!

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 June 2005 18:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Just to needlessly upset everyone further, did you know that Christian Bale's stepmom is one of the most influential jews in the world?

Yes, his dad is married to Gloria Steinem. But Christian is a grown man and not a product of her, nor did he have any helping in his dad's actions and choice of marriage partner."
WTFF?
Also, his dad died a few years ago.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 23 June 2005 20:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Just to add to their ignorance.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 23 June 2005 20:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

If that weren't so horrible, it'd be hilarious.

Leeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 23 June 2005 21:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

What Leeeee said. Notice who's speaking @ their Town Hall (@ the bottom of the page).

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 23 June 2005 21:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like that they kinda know how out of it they are and that they're a joke - they have to have a 'night off' to have fun! (WN = wh!te n@tionalist unfortunately.)

"From a WN perspective it is crap.

From a WN perspective, anything is crap. But from the perspective of someone just looking for entertainment, it was a decent flick. I'm sorry, but some of us can only watch B!rth of a N@tion or Tr!umph of the W!ll so many times, and some of us don't go looking for some "message" in everything we watch. It's a flippin' movie, and shouldn't be taken as anything other than entertainment featuring some comic book character, nor is everything not to a WN's liking exactly anti-White. Don't expect any film that comes out in big theatres to be blatantly pro-White, just take movies as something to do on a night off, and maybe you'll all enjoy something for a change."

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Saturday, 25 June 2005 11:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like how no one really calls that guy on it, either. Y'know, like on a M@oist msg bd or a Pu Nk bd, someone would get called out as a poseur, but everybody on that bd seems kinda okay with the fact that they're Internet N@z1s. Which isn't cool at all, but, y'know, there's this weird vibe of accepted impotency on that thread.

Huk-L, Saturday, 25 June 2005 17:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, they know that they're fucking useless, they can't even entertain themselves. They're not very scary anymore now that Christian Conservatives are being evil on a much bigger scale.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 26 June 2005 01:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

eight years pass...
three years pass...

is there a thread anywhere discussing the revelation that marvel's new EiC, C.B. Cebulski, once spent a year writing comics under the assumed identity of Japanese-American Godzilla enthusiast and samurai expert "Akira Yoshida"?

story broke here and has been making the rounds. as of yet he still has his job.

'cause there's always been an it i can't truss (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 3 December 2017 05:30 (one year ago) Permalink

This board was pretty saucy in the mid-2000s!

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Sunday, 3 December 2017 06:27 (one year ago) Permalink

Man, the poignancy in retrospect of that interlude beginning w/an inadvertently posted St0rmfr0nt link (lol), and ending with, "They're not very scary anymore...".

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Sunday, 3 December 2017 06:45 (one year ago) Permalink

jeez that cebulski story is wild, surely marvel can’t keep him on as eic

Dic Space has been contacted for comment. (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 3 December 2017 09:20 (one year ago) Permalink

it's marvel

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Sunday, 3 December 2017 09:40 (one year ago) Permalink

Asians '17 - still okay to totally disrespect us

Nhex, Sunday, 3 December 2017 09:43 (one year ago) Permalink

ILX thinks Long Duk-Dong is both racist *and* funny, lets not forget

Οὖτις, Sunday, 3 December 2017 16:52 (one year ago) Permalink

It's not easy being a fat, bearded white guy in the comics game....

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Monday, 4 December 2017 07:04 (one year ago) Permalink

I wouldn't press/argue this point too strongly, but would mention that (IMO) the history of Asian representation in Marvel comics – as opposed to recent controversies involving the movies – is more slightly complex than implied in that HuffPo piece, or the Gizmodo article linked therein (cf. Shang-Chi, for starters).

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 00:13 (one year ago) Permalink

...But point totally taken that it's *today's* Marvel that is both pulling the tone-deaf movie moves, and apparently shrugging its shoulders at this guy's appalling history.

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 00:15 (one year ago) Permalink


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