Errr, and Batman Beyond was pretty lame.
But if Montoya and Harley were both TAS creations, CLASSIC.
Errr, I don't know, this is turning out to be a worse idea than my X-Statix-finale thread.
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link
I've been thinking about getting the dvds now that they're out, but I'm afraid that it won't seem as good as when I was a kid.
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link
Harley Quinn was definitely a TAS creation -- I remember it being a big deal when they decided to introduce her into the comics (during NML, wasn't it? In the Dini-written one-shot? Or had she appeared before that?)
Batman Beyond had a couple things going for it (mostly the theme song), but they weren't enough, unfortunately.
And yeah, it probably is the darkest American kids cartoon anyway -- can't vouch for anything else.
The Batman Cartoon I Would Like To See: Batman's Planet, on which Batman, Robin, a couple of smart-alecky/trouble-magnet teenagers they've just rescued in the first scene of the pilot, and someone else (Batgirl? Poison Ivy? the Joker?) get accidentally stuck on another planet and have wacky misadventures while trying to find their way home.
(Surely someone else remembers Gilligan's Planet.)
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link
The original cast members voiced their own characters.
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link
(There should be a DVD collection, one or two episodes of each.)
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link
1) Crotchety Old Bruce Wayne. Just fantastic. Old and wizened, but still every bit as dangerous as he once was (if not more, sometimes). Choice bits: the recent JLU time-travel episode, where old Wayne pushes Batman aside, because the interrogation wasn't going fast enough, and a great episode of BB where Terry is looking at various bits of junk in the Batcave. He comes across the DKR exo-suit; Wayne just smiles and says: "Heh. Gave me a heart attack."
2) There's a huge sense of loss hanging over the series. Why did Wayne give up? Why isn't Barbara Gordon talking to him any more, and actively discouraging Terry to continue being Batman? And the Robin costume in the cave…(all answered in Batman Beyond: Return Of The Joker, a rather brutal children's film)
As long as Terry was kept to the sidelines, it was a decent show.
Anyway, I really must get some of these boxsets, because I can't remember much of individual episodes anymore. There's a great one where the Scarecrow traps Batman in a dreamworld, and supposedly an episode where Dini takes the piss out of Joel Schumacher, which sounds awesome.
My favourite part of the series is Mask of The Phantasm, which I think is The Perfect Batman Film. The Joker! The World's Fair! Bruce getting a love interest that makes sense! Lightning across the Waynes' Grave! Much better than rubber nipples!
― carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Huk-L, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link
I've only seen one episodes of the new Teen Titans, because I can't get past the anime-ishness of it
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link
There was another excellent meta-episode where they were chasing a geeky villain through various television shows; the villain's magic put-me-in-tv techonology caused brain-melting radiation to come out of the television, prompting a hilarious scene where Robin is shouting at the "camera", "TURN THIS OFF! TELEVISION WILL ROT YOUR MIND! I'M SERIOUS!!!" They ended up victorious because Beast Boy was a bigger TV/movie nerd than the villain they were chasing and ended with a completely sarcastic non-moral.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link
And yeah, I definitely can't fault them for the anime thing, if I were the target audience I'd probably love it. It's not the kind of anime I grew up with, so it's just distracting.
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 24 March 2005 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link
Somebody at Marvel should get in touch with the guy who created Samurai Jack and does Clone Wars - Tartakovsky (something like that). Give him free rein. A Fantastic Four cartoon, done right, that would be worth watching. Oh no, wait, I saw that - it was called the Incredibles.
I would love it if somebody would let Bruce Timm make his version of Conan. The sketches alone are beautiful...
― David N (David N.), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link
two seconds to THE FINGER!:http://www.jlanimated.com/editorials/jlu/arrow2.jpg
― Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link
Green Arrow is ALWAYS saving grocery stores. And convenience stores. It's like Spidey with bank robberies.
What's his voice like? Cause the beard implies that he sounds like Dr Quest.
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link
I don't know what Dr. Quest sounds like.
― Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link
You'd recognize it if you heard it, most likely. The actor did a lot of other voice work. (I'm looking him up now.) (Holy crap Johnny Quest was played by Tim Matheson.)
Hm, he -- Don Messick -- is one of those voice actors who sounds different in a lot of roles (he played both Boo Boo and the Ranger on Yogi Bear, for instance ... and Scooby Doo, Atom Ant, half the Smurfs, and Muttley!) -- but the Ranger voice is pretty close to Dr Quest. So's Papa Smurf, come to think of it. Except Green Arrow would not sound like Papa Smurf.
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link
*smurffinger*
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyway, cast list for guest voices on JL/JLU:http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0275137/guests
― Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
"Legends: Part 1" Episode: #1.16 - 21 April 2002:
Corey Burton= Dr. Blizzard (voice)
Jennifer Hale= Black Siren (voice)
Neil Patrick Harris= Ray Thompson (voice)
Jeffrey Jones= Sir Swami (voice)
William Katt= Green Guardsman (voice)
Udo Kier= The Music Master (voice)
Ted McGinley= Tom Turbine (voice)
Michael McKean= The Sportsman (voice)
David Naughton= The Streak (voice)
Stephen Root= Cat Man (voice)
Tom Sizemore= Metamorpho (voice)Patrick Duffy= Steve Trevor (voice)Michael Ironside= Darkseid (voice)Ron Perlman= Orion (voice)/Clayface IIRob Zombie= Ichthulhu (voice)Efrem Zimbalist Jr.= Alfred Pennyworth (voice)Brad Garrett= Lobo (voice)Kin Shriner= Green Arrow (voice)Edward Asner= Hephaestus (voice)/Granny GoodnessJason Hervey= Dove I/Don Hall (voice)*Fred Savage= Hawk I/Hank Hall (voice)*Wonder Years Powers...ACTIVATE!Jeremy Piven= The Elongated Man (voice)Tim Matheson= Max Lord (voice)Dennis Farina= Wildcat I/Ted Grant (voice)
Sorry about that.
― Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh shit that's Inara from Firefly (and according to Tep, possibly Joss's Wonder Woman)! Yeah, she's great.
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link
I especially dig how Kirby's Fourth World stuff slowly encroaches upon the light-hearted Superman adventures taking place in the foreground.
― Encyclopedia Beige and the Case of the Bland Sandwich (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
Wonder Woman was so dull and slow and colourgraded and not-about-a-woman that I walked out halfway through and saw The House instead
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
same with the justice league cartoon - started slowly then knocked it out of the park when it became unlimited
― dipso inferno (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
that's true. though i'd say even by season 2 of JL they were killing it, like with that 2-part Joker ep
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
the Justice Gods one was also S2 i think
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
If we want to make this a recommendation thread for the best DCAU episodes, I wouldn't complain.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 21 December 2017 00:56 (six years ago) link
I decided to watch the recent Wonder Woman movie at motel room rental prices and fell asleep halfway into it. Such are vacation mistakes. BTAS is still excellent every time I feel the need to rewatch. The balance of the animation style, noir tropes honored and subtly commented on, the little quips that paint Batman as self-aware, sometimes tragically, make it age well.
― mh, Thursday, 21 December 2017 03:49 (six years ago) link
HFS @ Hopey Glass cameo in Batman, someone was having a lil fun at the animation studio that day
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
wait waht
― Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
I forget which episode it is but bruce wayne puts someone on a bus at the end of the episode and one of the other riders on the bus is v clearly Jaime’s Hopey.
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
I think it’s “I Am the Night”
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
I noticed it a few nights ago while watching w my daughter but only just now remembered i meant to post about it cuz it was p unexpected
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 8 July 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
huh, awesome!
― Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 8 July 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
I'd about say Batman: The Animated Series might be the best version of Batman done. It ties together so many of the things from the comics in the right tone.
― earlnash, Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
kevin conroy is def the best batman ever
― Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
ok it wasn't that episode and it wasn't some random character it was the Penguin and Hopey's cameo is at about 4:05 here: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x50of14
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 July 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
ha! no chance that’s not supposed to be hopey
― there’s gonna be a hot time in the ol’ tub machine tonight (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 9 July 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
It's definitely Hopey, check the coat:
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q166/iagainstcomics/hopey%20style/hopey5.jpg
Now I'm visualising a Love & Rockets animated series that would probably never happen in a million years.
― Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Monday, 9 July 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
*wistful sigh*jaime’s style would work so well in animation too
― there’s gonna be a hot time in the ol’ tub machine tonight (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 9 July 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
Hopey had a cameo in the tie-in Batman Adventures comics as well!
― Duane Barry, Monday, 9 July 2018 21:13 (six years ago) link
That is *definitely* her. Nice spot!
iirc Cameron Stewart's 00s run on Catwoman is basically him doing Jaime for two years
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/how-paul-dini-and-mike-mignola-changed-mr-freeze-forever-plus-other-revelations-from-the
I did not know that Mignola was in any way involved in BTAS!
― Captain Hardchord (Leee), Friday, 2 November 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
The blu-ray set is a thing of glory.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 2 November 2018 23:50 (six years ago) link
https://imgur.com/gallery/D02OcwO is glorious and now I just remembered Herman von Klempt in HB and so this makes perfect sense.
― Captain Hardchord (Leee), Friday, 2 November 2018 23:55 (six years ago) link
I've never seen the whole series, but I pretty much think the cartoon might be the best take on Batman ever. It is a perfect balance in many ways.
― earlnash, Saturday, 3 November 2018 12:41 (six years ago) link
The TV show is the best Batman, and Mask of the Phantasm is still the best Batman movie.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 3 November 2018 18:23 (six years ago) link
I've long said (perhaps even itt) that if DC-related material can't meet or exceed the quality of the DCAU, the people involved probably just shouldn't bother.
― a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Saturday, 3 November 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link
Still, they persisted
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 4 November 2018 18:48 (six years ago) link
Has anyone seen the 2017 animated feature “Batman vs. Two-Face” (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6142314/)? My son has watched it a few times.
It’s pretty bad, but also weird/sad — the voices are performed by Adam West (shortly before his death), Burt Ward, Julie Newmar, William Shatner (as Harvey Dent), etc. So while it’s “cool” that they used the OG actors (plus, uh, Shatner), and got work for those folks, their voices do not exactly match the (young) characters... particularly in the case of West, who sounds unwell and geriatric. So it’s bizarre and somewhat grimly humorous to hear these voices coming from the animated 1966 Batman crew.
(One other odd thing is that Warner apparently doesn’t control the rights to the ’66 Batman theme music, and couldn’t bother clearing it? — so they have use a dumb knockoff of it, like any other fakey production.)
― too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Sunday, 4 November 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link
Warner had nothing to do with the show, so it's absolutely fine that they don't control the rights to the theme music
― Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Sunday, 4 November 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
Sure, but it’s odd they would create a new movie set in the 1966 world, and go so far as to cast the OG actors for “authenticity,” yet give it an “off-brand” feel by imitating the theme rather than paying to use it.
― too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Sunday, 4 November 2018 21:20 (six years ago) link
How much was the fee, and what proportion of the overall budget was that?
― Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Sunday, 4 November 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
Let me check my records... oh wait, I didn’t work on the production. Why you dragging me on this, LOL?The theme is one of the most beloved and iconic aspects of the old series... whatever it cost to clear, perhaps it would have been more worth the expense than whatever it cost to hire Bill Shatner (who has nothing to do with the property)? Is his involvement drawing anyone to this thing? Meanwhile, when the knockoff music plays, it just sounds dumb and leaves you thinking, “huh, they cheaped out.”
― too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Sunday, 4 November 2018 21:57 (six years ago) link
I’m just saying it’s the opposite of “odd”!
― Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Sunday, 4 November 2018 22:08 (six years ago) link
I mean, we’re talking about a direct-to-video feature whose idea of a clever in-joke is a Catholic hospital called “Our Lady of Perpetual Irony,” so maybe I’m expecting too much. But the casting implies the movie will be “going the extra mile,” when it really stalls out at least 14 miles short of Gotham City.
― too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Sunday, 4 November 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
I loved and still love B:TAS and the other DCAU series (well, most of the time), but I've never been particularly impressed by any of the animated specials that have come out since then. It's pretty disappointing seeing that on some occasions some of the same people were involved. The execution always seems half-assed.
― Duane Barry, Sunday, 4 November 2018 23:20 (six years ago) link
man these blu-ray remasters are gorgeous huh
― i want donald duck to scream into my dick (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 10:24 (six years ago) link
Worth buying if I have all the DVD boxes?
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 11:55 (six years ago) link
if you’re a btas stan and you’ve got the cash, definitely - the episodes look extraordinarily crisp and clearcheck this handy comparison video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LZJ-HJsWHk
― i want donald duck to scream into my dick (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 12:05 (six years ago) link
i'm a sucker for these remasters when they're done well. they even managed to make TNG look beautiful!
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 12:16 (six years ago) link
yooooo Bruce Timm made an animated Sgt Rock short film!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwZvaLbwnI
And Phantom Stranger too!https://www.comicsbeat.com/dc-showcase-phantom-stranger-first-look/
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link
Has anyone else been watching The Caped Crusader? I'm loving it so far. A sort of elseworlds 40s golden age spiritual successor to B:TAS. I love how they pick and mix elements throughout the character's history - Harvey Bullock is his fully corrupt pre-Crisis self, for example. And given that the original Animated series bible included plans for the Gentleman Ghost (which never came to fruition) I'm glad Timm finally got to give him his own episode.
I have to admit I don't like this Batman as much as the B:TAS one, even if his coldness is definitely intentional. It makes sense that Rucka and Brubaker are involved, as he actually does feel like the late 90s/00s jerkass Batman.
― Duane Barry, Sunday, 4 August 2024 23:35 (four months ago) link
The pilot was fun. Yes, it's nowhere near as good/perfect as B:TAS: the animation is shonkier; Gotham is a bit anonymous-looking; and I'm not really not sure about the weirdly antagonistic relationship between Bruce and Alfred (Bruce calls him "Pennyworth"!!). But - it's very enjoyable - darker without being grimdark - and still a kids' show at heart. Minnie Driver is really well cast (and pleasingly EVIL) as Penguin. The fight scenes are excellent -- you really feel it when someone gets clonked on the head -- it's weirdly fun. All the character remixes are interesting and grounded. I look forward to it getting better in the second season.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 10:29 (four months ago) link
i'm not watching it but i've heard that _those_ guys are complaining about the penguin's look
as always, i find those folks absolutely hilarious. "what if the penguin was marlene dietrich but dummy thicc" makes me feel seen as a lesbian.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 6 August 2024 13:34 (four months ago) link
You're right about the animation and backgrounds - I hadn't really noticed, maybe because a lot of streaming TV animation often has a flat, stiff look, and I don't go in with high expectations (so if the animation and visuals are good, then that's a bonus).
They seem to be avoiding the tragic villain route they used with some of the B:TAS villains, which is fine by me - that feels a bit overused by now
"Those" guys are complaining about lots of things, as they always do; I'm glad I never got into the Youtuber thing, though I do seem to need constant reminders to avoid reply sections on Twitter posts...
― Duane Barry, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 23:51 (four months ago) link
Finished the season, and it's mostly OK. I kept expecting the animation to be done on the cheap but it's surprisingly solid, but the writing is missing some juice. A few episodes have nice, zingy dialogue (the Catwoman one), though. What's patroclus weird is that it has one foot in BTAS references (the voices of Bruce and Alfred being very clearly modeled on their BTAS counterparts) while consciously diverging from old school canon.
― Élisabeth Vigée Lebron (Leee), Wednesday, 14 August 2024 20:19 (three months ago) link
It seems like a show for teenagers... from the 90s. All the references to US culture from the 1920s to 1950s - that stuff was still "live" in the culture when I was growing up in the eighties and nineties - b&w movies and old reruns were on the TV all the time. I'm curious what kids watching it today would make of it. There were very few good cartoons for teenagers when I was growing up - now it seems like 90% of new art is for 13-year-olds.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 14 August 2024 21:03 (three months ago) link
Overall I really like Caped Crusader so far. Feels like the mix of set design inspiration from the 90s with remixed characters is a good formula. Harleen Q's episode was a high point for me and Onomatopoeia was fun and I loved lady Penguin. While I didn't dislike the episodes, I'm not really a fan of supernatural stuff in Batman so could've done without the classist ghost and vampire girl ones.
Batman turns out to be one of the least interesting characters, though I find that's often the case whatever medium we're in.
Interesting that this and X-Men 97 came out so near each other.
― salsa shark, Friday, 30 August 2024 21:07 (three months ago) link
have i linked the italian b:tas theme song here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThxsDFTG06E
the story is that when cartoons came to italy they decided that rather than use the international theme songs they'd write their own theme songs with lyrics and made them all eurodance bangers
sometimes that works - "what is my destiny dragon ball" is in the same league as the japanese theme (that's the original dragonball, not cha-la head-cha-la) - but with x-men not so much, and with batman... i mean it just doesn't have the same feel as the elfman music.
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 30 August 2024 22:07 (three months ago) link
ok correction"what's my destiny dragon ball" is indeed the theme to dragon ball z, which i think was called "what's my destiny dragon ball" in italy? anyway seriously this fucking thing holds it's own against cha-la head-cha-la which i mean
that's _impressive_
i mean cha-la head-cha-la is, uh, _eurodance adjacent_ so it's not surprising that italy can bring it with its own version but still.
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 30 August 2024 22:13 (three months ago) link