Grant Morrison S/D

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Is New Adventures of Hitler or Zenith collected in Europe? I've only ever had the chance to read bad scans.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 10:53 (nine years ago) link

Nope. I think there was a collection of NAOAH at one stage, but it is now out of print. There were several volumes of Zenith (but not the resolution of the long running story about The Plan) brought out by Titan, but they are out of print too.

Around the time he was setting up his FA website, Martin Skidmore mentioned that there was some talk of a new Zenith collection coming into print, but that does not seem to have happened.

Thanks to my local British Isles copyright library, I re-read all the Zenith collections they had last summer (for an article for FA I never got round to writing). I ended up thinking that it starts off well but that the loads of superheroes from alternate worlds get together to fight the Lloigor was not quite all that. It seemed a bit of a mess, plotwise, seeming to be an early case of the Grant Morrison problem (his writing stories that are very hard to follow for people like me of only sub-average intelligence).

I was a bit ambivalent about all the "oh there is that obscure British comic character" cameos in it... on the one hand, this is the kind of thing that annoys me about LOEG, but on the other, it was great to see some of those crazy characters get an outing again.

That said, I really hope that someone does bring out a complete Zenith collection. When it is good, it is amazing, and Steve Yeowell is a great artist on it.

The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 11:38 (nine years ago) link

Hitler's never been collected.

The first volume of a new to-be-complete round of Zenith collections was printed around ten years ago, sat in a warehouse for about eight years, then supposedly got pulped*. The Titan ones covered the first three "Phase"s of Zenith in five paperbacks; Phases 1 and 2 were also reprinted in 2000AD Super Specials or suchlike after the paperbacks went OOP; the colour stuff has never been reprinted.

*Morrison pointed out to Rebellion that Fleetway didn't actually own Zenith.

Ellen Allien ... in my urethra? (sic), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 12:25 (nine years ago) link

A shame that neither is readily available. I really enjoyed what I read and would gladly pay for nice editions of both.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 13:07 (nine years ago) link

This new deluxe version of We3 is really nice. I didn't really notice the additions, but the print quality and extras are great.

unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 14:14 (nine years ago) link

I do hope that movie gets made.

L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 14:32 (nine years ago) link

Reading that RS article--there's no way, on that evidence, that I'll be reading Supergods... and I LOVED Animal Man, Doom Patrol, Flex, Invisibles, AS Superman, etc etc

not bulimic, just a cat (James Morrison), Thursday, 25 August 2011 05:39 (nine years ago) link

I'm planning to read the autobio stuff and barely skim his disingenuously inaccurate early-decades-of-superheroes stuff.

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Thursday, 25 August 2011 14:09 (nine years ago) link

I haven't read the RS article but I liked Supergods!

unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Thursday, 25 August 2011 14:34 (nine years ago) link

his disingenuously inaccurate early-decades-of-superheroes stuff.

this was the part I preferred, tbh


This review actually guarantees I'll be making my purchase of issue #8 (and soon - like after work) a priority.

Flaca (R Baez), Thursday, 25 August 2011 16:44 (nine years ago) link

haha that looks awesome!

RT @jollybaez: A glimpse at some of the new artwork from the expanded deluxe WE3!

Flaca (R Baez), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:36 (nine years ago) link

this was the part I preferred, tbh

lying about Siegel & Shuster to shill for his employers during the lawsuit is gross to me, so

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:03 (nine years ago) link

Wtf is that new WE3 panel? It doesn't even look like Quitely's art. And how does it fit into the story?

Tuomas, Friday, 26 August 2011 08:34 (nine years ago) link

that's a joke, it's from the new issue of Inc

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Friday, 26 August 2011 10:39 (nine years ago) link

Ah, okay.

Tuomas, Friday, 26 August 2011 11:03 (nine years ago) link

lying about Siegel & Shuster to shill for his employers during the lawsuit is gross to me, so

What did he say? I don't recall this at all, so I'm thinking I must have missed something potentially interesting.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 26 August 2011 12:00 (nine years ago) link

yeah I don't recall that either...?

That's the dick move? I read that interview and it seemed pretty damn innocuous.


EZ Snappin, Friday, 26 August 2011 16:48 (nine years ago) link

Even that quote doesn't seem like he's being a dick, only that he doesn't delve into the reasons why Bob Kane got a good deal at that point. Kane was the outlier, not S&S! I thought that was pretty clear when I read it.

I think he also mentions that Bill Finger was rather screwed over by history and finances.

unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Friday, 26 August 2011 20:05 (nine years ago) link

it's the context of totally glossing over them being fucked, 1) while a lawsuit is going on that DC are paying lawyers more to file paper on every month than they ever paid S&S while they were alive, and 2) Grant is actively redesigning Superman's costume and origin to be potentially legally distinct from the S&S creation, while being 3) ickily disingenuous about their situation, that I find unpleasant.

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Saturday, 27 August 2011 04:09 (nine years ago) link

So he's supposed to just avoid the franchise right now due to a lawsuit, or forever?

unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Saturday, 27 August 2011 04:37 (nine years ago) link

he can make whatever employment decisions he chooses, I'm not talking about that. I'm saying I personally find it distasteful to lie about the situation of creators of said franchise in this context, and thusly find his position on the backstage history of early superhero comics untenably compromised and proven inaccurate, so I'm unlikely to even read those aspects of the book.

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Saturday, 27 August 2011 06:56 (nine years ago) link

So you're saying you haven't read those parts of the book, or what he actually said? I think he's a little vague, but I think people are stirring the bucket and reading more into it than is there.

unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:47 (nine years ago) link

I have really enjoyed Supergords, it's got everything you love about Morrison comics: big ideas, lots of heart inconsistently spread out, misdirected spite, and glossing over of elements he finds boring or inconvenient. Not surprised that he has little sympathy/empathy for S&S considering the jackpot he scored with Arkham Asylum, which succeeded more because it was published at the absolute height of Keaton/Burton Bat-Mania than on its own merits. As humble as his writing/cartooning beginnings may be, the ordeal of Siegel & Shuster beyond his imagination. Which is a pity, considering his fascinations.

one month passes...

Caleb Mozzocco stirs the bucket.

robocop last year was a 'shop (sic), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 08:39 (nine years ago) link

I wasn't super-impressed with that, actually

boxorox (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 14 October 2011 06:05 (nine years ago) link

Morrison to put the sex back into Wonder Woman comics --

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Friday, 14 October 2011 14:31 (nine years ago) link

Just finished Supergods. Overall, I thought it was entirely inessential. It seemed to me like two books rather poorly integrated; his life through and in comics, and an overview of superheroes. I enjoyed reading the sections where he talked about what inspired him along the way, but thought he gave little insight into his own work (except for his admitted chickening out on pushing Final Crisis as far as he had initially planned), and his overall "history of the superhero" is, um, unique.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:04 (nine years ago) link

eight months pass...

Grant just got an MBE.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 16 June 2012 01:48 (eight years ago) link

I wonder if he's gonna give the Queen the issues of Inivisibles where he honours the royal family...

On a more serious note, is he the first superhero comic writer to get one of those? Do Gaiman or Moore have one?

Tuomas, Saturday, 16 June 2012 08:06 (eight years ago) link

Moore would turn it down, surely. (but that then raises the question of whether he'd say publically he'd turned it down, which is bad form iirc.)

woof, Saturday, 16 June 2012 09:30 (eight years ago) link

five years pass...

I've read it twice now, very slowly and carefully the second time, and I think Nameless is up there with his best stuff. Which is nice, given I thought he wouldn't produce anything that good again. A fair bit of the credit definitely goes to Chris Burnham, though.

albvivertine, Monday, 5 March 2018 18:55 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

ok lol

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 21:20 (one year ago) link

Wow! Is Morrison writing GL now, or is that just a one-off gig?

Tuomas, Friday, 7 June 2019 06:43 (one year ago) link

No, GM is writing one of the GL books. IMO it's not really lived up to the hype, some neat ideas but really doesn't hold together - it's more like a handful of 2000ad ideas in search of a character.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Friday, 7 June 2019 08:54 (one year ago) link

It's pretty silly but I like it! It's like Batman Incorporated In Space (although not quite as good as that sounds). It's the first thing he's done since Batman that I've enjoyed. although Liam Sharp doesn't really do anything for me - it's a bit sub-Gene Ha.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 7 June 2019 18:42 (one year ago) link

This cover sums it up really

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 7 June 2019 18:46 (one year ago) link

ASTOUNDING Sci-Fi style Green Lantern as dopey police procedural sums it up pretty well; I'm having a great time with it! The art is maybe overly florid in a Bart Sears way but it gets the job done.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 7 June 2019 19:35 (one year ago) link

would it be possible to execute the good and funny idea for a superhero cover any worse than they have done there?

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 7 June 2019 20:30 (one year ago) link

(like, there are many ways that you could make it just as bad. but from art to trade dress to layout to lettering, every element collaborates to render the dynamism and joke utterly inert

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 7 June 2019 20:32 (one year ago) link

not sure what the "'joke" is exactly but the covers seem like (occasionally witless) stabs at pulp homage more than anything. computer coloring certainly doesn't help.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 7 June 2019 20:37 (one year ago) link

the junkie cover is clearly a terrible defenestration of something that could have been much funnier

the god one tickles me, ugly fonts and all

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 7 June 2019 21:05 (one year ago) link

It's Liam Sharp, guys, govern yr expectations.

Fiat Earther (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 June 2019 23:25 (one year ago) link

Not that we saw this contextless cover itt with any expectations, but a) Sharp isn’t responsible for the rigid trade dress, right-to-left layout, bad balloon, awkward speech lettering, mixed fonts or font choices, and b) why do DC keep lumbering Morrison with primary artists who draw lumbering steroid cases & have no sense of humour or wit?

Case was a good match on Doom Patrol and Burnham was a gift from the heavens, perhaps the most “gets it” artist Morrison has ever had on any ongoing project, but apart from that the chasm between artists he brings himself and ones that DC assign to him is yawping.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 8 June 2019 00:28 (one year ago) link

See also: Quitely (obvs), Cameron Stewart

Fiat Earther (Old Lunch), Saturday, 8 June 2019 01:22 (one year ago) link

Quitely he brought himself; Stewart campaigned to get his Invisibles fill-in.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 8 June 2019 09:05 (one year ago) link

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