Grant Morrison S/D

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read a galley copy of his new book over the weekend - mostly a very entertaining history/overview of American and British superhero comics. Some choice barbs for Alan Moore and the Image guys. I started to skip some stuff towards the end when it got into more auto-bio territory, but his take on the various periods are generally great, insightful, and really funny.

metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 17:55 (nine years ago) link

Didn't know about this. Any idea when it's coming out?

Number None, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 17:57 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I want this as soon as I can get it.

:: checks amazon ::

Supergods? July 19th?

what made my hamburger disappear (WmC), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:08 (nine years ago) link

Cool. Will anticipate

Number None, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:13 (nine years ago) link

Amazon has this to say about the upcoming Flex Mentallo

Collected for the first time, an early classic from the ALL-STAR SUPERMAN team of Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely, newly recolored.

What's up with that? IIRC the colours in the original comic are perfectly fine.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 07:29 (nine years ago) link

different paper stock to blame maybe?

metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 15:57 (nine years ago) link

Pretty sure that they're recoloring it for the stock and to update it. I seem to recall that the same person who is recoloring WE3 is doing it, but might be misremembering. I'll be happy to have it all in one place but will treasure the single issues (and I can't say that about many books now.)

Matt M., Wednesday, 1 June 2011 21:48 (nine years ago) link

I currently treasure my .cbr's so i'll be happy to get a physical copy

Number None, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 21:49 (nine years ago) link

That's how I read it first, actually. Also the first files I loaded onto my digital reading device thingy.

Matt M., Wednesday, 1 June 2011 23:17 (nine years ago) link

So has anyone been able to work out whether Batmoz is going to be completely fucked up by the new DC plans? It seems as though it can't help but be, despite various assurances otherwise.

Apparently Batman Inc will take a hiatus once it gets to the point of the reboot, and will then return in 2012 as a mini-series. It's unclear at the moment if Morrison can set the story in the continuity he established, or if the reboot changes will be in effect.

Duane Barry, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 00:11 (nine years ago) link

Apparently Dick is going to be Nightwing again? I don't know, it sounds to me like DC is fucking over Batmoz and he'll leave all the titles soon.

mh, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 00:14 (nine years ago) link

would rather have Inc continue than a new-continuity Superman title tbh

all cats are gay (sic), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 01:33 (nine years ago) link

Bruce Wayne will be the only Batmang. I can't say that any of the Bat-teams really inspired confidence, aside from LEVIATHAN eventually happening.

Matt M., Wednesday, 8 June 2011 04:40 (nine years ago) link

I've liked most of Morrison's Batman run, but I'm still hella excited about his new Superman gig. IMO Supes, much more than Batman, is a character he was born to write. Have they confirmed the artist(s) for his Superman, though? (Obviously it can't be Quitely, since it's a montly title.)

Tuomas, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:58 (nine years ago) link

This whole leviathan thing is going to be able to happen before DC fucks with the books, right?

mh, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 14:46 (nine years ago) link

After. DC reboot is September, Leviathan is next year.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 15:08 (nine years ago) link


mh, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 15:08 (nine years ago) link

I have no problems with a reboot, but (viz. Wildstorm) just that they're wildly inept at them. Just need better creators and editorial direction.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 15:40 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

from the intro to Big Perp's section of the chunky, clunky three-part Rolling Stone feature on Morrison:

This is a guide to the highlights of his career, with the exception of his fantastically strange Flex Mentallo series with artist Frank Quitely, which has not yet been collected in paperback due to complicated legal issues.

so he genuinely thinks Joe The Barbarian is better than Big Dave and New Adventures Of Hitler and St Swithins Day and Zenith and A Glass Of Water and The World Shapers and New Toys? pffffffffft.

Ellen Allien ... in my urethra? (sic), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 10:16 (nine years ago) link

Plus Flex will be back in print in a few months, right?

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 10:33 (nine years ago) link

it's actually been in print in paperback in Europe for years, so that caveat doesn't even strictly hold. but I wouldn't believe anything about a DC collection until I hold one in my hands.

Ellen Allien ... in my urethra? (sic), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 10:52 (nine years ago) link

Is New Adventures of Hitler or Zenith collected in Europe? I've only ever had the chance to read bad scans.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 10:53 (nine years ago) link

Nope. I think there was a collection of NAOAH at one stage, but it is now out of print. There were several volumes of Zenith (but not the resolution of the long running story about The Plan) brought out by Titan, but they are out of print too.

Around the time he was setting up his FA website, Martin Skidmore mentioned that there was some talk of a new Zenith collection coming into print, but that does not seem to have happened.

Thanks to my local British Isles copyright library, I re-read all the Zenith collections they had last summer (for an article for FA I never got round to writing). I ended up thinking that it starts off well but that the loads of superheroes from alternate worlds get together to fight the Lloigor was not quite all that. It seemed a bit of a mess, plotwise, seeming to be an early case of the Grant Morrison problem (his writing stories that are very hard to follow for people like me of only sub-average intelligence).

I was a bit ambivalent about all the "oh there is that obscure British comic character" cameos in it... on the one hand, this is the kind of thing that annoys me about LOEG, but on the other, it was great to see some of those crazy characters get an outing again.

That said, I really hope that someone does bring out a complete Zenith collection. When it is good, it is amazing, and Steve Yeowell is a great artist on it.

The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 11:38 (nine years ago) link

Hitler's never been collected.

The first volume of a new to-be-complete round of Zenith collections was printed around ten years ago, sat in a warehouse for about eight years, then supposedly got pulped*. The Titan ones covered the first three "Phase"s of Zenith in five paperbacks; Phases 1 and 2 were also reprinted in 2000AD Super Specials or suchlike after the paperbacks went OOP; the colour stuff has never been reprinted.

*Morrison pointed out to Rebellion that Fleetway didn't actually own Zenith.

Ellen Allien ... in my urethra? (sic), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 12:25 (nine years ago) link

A shame that neither is readily available. I really enjoyed what I read and would gladly pay for nice editions of both.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 13:07 (nine years ago) link

This new deluxe version of We3 is really nice. I didn't really notice the additions, but the print quality and extras are great.

unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 14:14 (nine years ago) link

I do hope that movie gets made.

L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 14:32 (nine years ago) link

Reading that RS article--there's no way, on that evidence, that I'll be reading Supergods... and I LOVED Animal Man, Doom Patrol, Flex, Invisibles, AS Superman, etc etc

not bulimic, just a cat (James Morrison), Thursday, 25 August 2011 05:39 (nine years ago) link

I'm planning to read the autobio stuff and barely skim his disingenuously inaccurate early-decades-of-superheroes stuff.

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Thursday, 25 August 2011 14:09 (nine years ago) link

I haven't read the RS article but I liked Supergods!

unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Thursday, 25 August 2011 14:34 (nine years ago) link

his disingenuously inaccurate early-decades-of-superheroes stuff.

this was the part I preferred, tbh


This review actually guarantees I'll be making my purchase of issue #8 (and soon - like after work) a priority.

Flaca (R Baez), Thursday, 25 August 2011 16:44 (nine years ago) link

haha that looks awesome!

RT @jollybaez: A glimpse at some of the new artwork from the expanded deluxe WE3!

Flaca (R Baez), Thursday, 25 August 2011 22:36 (nine years ago) link

this was the part I preferred, tbh

lying about Siegel & Shuster to shill for his employers during the lawsuit is gross to me, so

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:03 (nine years ago) link

Wtf is that new WE3 panel? It doesn't even look like Quitely's art. And how does it fit into the story?

Tuomas, Friday, 26 August 2011 08:34 (nine years ago) link

that's a joke, it's from the new issue of Inc

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Friday, 26 August 2011 10:39 (nine years ago) link

Ah, okay.

Tuomas, Friday, 26 August 2011 11:03 (nine years ago) link

lying about Siegel & Shuster to shill for his employers during the lawsuit is gross to me, so

What did he say? I don't recall this at all, so I'm thinking I must have missed something potentially interesting.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 26 August 2011 12:00 (nine years ago) link

yeah I don't recall that either...?

That's the dick move? I read that interview and it seemed pretty damn innocuous.


EZ Snappin, Friday, 26 August 2011 16:48 (nine years ago) link

Even that quote doesn't seem like he's being a dick, only that he doesn't delve into the reasons why Bob Kane got a good deal at that point. Kane was the outlier, not S&S! I thought that was pretty clear when I read it.

I think he also mentions that Bill Finger was rather screwed over by history and finances.

unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Friday, 26 August 2011 20:05 (nine years ago) link

it's the context of totally glossing over them being fucked, 1) while a lawsuit is going on that DC are paying lawyers more to file paper on every month than they ever paid S&S while they were alive, and 2) Grant is actively redesigning Superman's costume and origin to be potentially legally distinct from the S&S creation, while being 3) ickily disingenuous about their situation, that I find unpleasant.

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Saturday, 27 August 2011 04:09 (nine years ago) link

So he's supposed to just avoid the franchise right now due to a lawsuit, or forever?

unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Saturday, 27 August 2011 04:37 (nine years ago) link

he can make whatever employment decisions he chooses, I'm not talking about that. I'm saying I personally find it distasteful to lie about the situation of creators of said franchise in this context, and thusly find his position on the backstage history of early superhero comics untenably compromised and proven inaccurate, so I'm unlikely to even read those aspects of the book.

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Saturday, 27 August 2011 06:56 (nine years ago) link

So you're saying you haven't read those parts of the book, or what he actually said? I think he's a little vague, but I think people are stirring the bucket and reading more into it than is there.

unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Saturday, 27 August 2011 17:47 (nine years ago) link

I have really enjoyed Supergords, it's got everything you love about Morrison comics: big ideas, lots of heart inconsistently spread out, misdirected spite, and glossing over of elements he finds boring or inconvenient. Not surprised that he has little sympathy/empathy for S&S considering the jackpot he scored with Arkham Asylum, which succeeded more because it was published at the absolute height of Keaton/Burton Bat-Mania than on its own merits. As humble as his writing/cartooning beginnings may be, the ordeal of Siegel & Shuster beyond his imagination. Which is a pity, considering his fascinations.

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