Christopher Priest: C/D

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Was going to start this after reading about Captain America & the Falcon supposedly getting the gasface. However, according to Priest, this is (technically) not the case. So here's to Big Announcements and the ouevre of Mr. Priest.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Really didn't like a lot of the stuff he did as Jim Owsley on Green Lantern in ACW.

Huk-L, Monday, 8 November 2004 20:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

But liked the Gerard Jones stuff that followed even less.

Huk-L, Monday, 8 November 2004 20:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

!!! I was about to start this thread yesterday. I don't think I've disliked anything he's written as Priest.

Black Panther is an absolute classic, although I missed the final storylines cause I wasn't really reading comics at the time (broke broke broke).

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The first, say, 8 issues of Black Panther, and the storyline/s featuring the Kirby Panther characters (starting w/ "Enemy of the State II"? & continuing until Kaspar Cole's introduction) are beyond classic. And the rest is, of course, fantastic. And THE CREW!!!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Black Panther was great except I stopped reading it when I stopped reading comics.

Quantum and Woody - also very good. Xero terrific EVEN IF it got screwed around. Also - STEEL!!!!

Excellent and unusual writer - unafraid of doing quite knotty plotting and dialogue-driven stuff, the feeling I get with Priest is that you can really tell that he was a child of the 70s comics-wise, he's the closest thing there is now to a Gerber or 70s Englehart, except he can usually get away with even less of the trad superhero trappings.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Also unafraid to send the Hulk clubbing.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I really liked the Spidey/Wolverine oneshot he did in the late 80s as Jim Owsley. Set in Cold War Berlin. Ned Leeds gets murdered by the KGB, I think. Contrasted Spidey and Wolvie quite well, probably better than every single subsequent team-up of the two characters..

And his Black Panther was brilliant....

David N (David N.), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Xero fucking KILLED. That entire series (and the way the story unfolds and the way the series ENDED) was golden.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Quantum and Woody was wonderful, and I also loved esp. the first few storylines on Black Panther. Steel was really inconsistent (partly thanks to art problems), but his niece Natasha was one of my favorite supporting characters ever. A very unusual and very very good comics writer. Someday, someone will let him write Batman, and the skies will fall.

Seconded David on the first Spider-Man Vs. Wolverine one-shot--exactly the kind of thing I usually hate, but after about five people told me "no, really, you should read this," I did, and it's one of the best-plotted straightforward superhero comics I've ever seen--total brilliant use of classic three-act structure form--a tragedy that comes straight out of Spider-Man acting TOTALLY in character and trying to be a hero, and the more selfless and heroic he acts, the worse things get.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 8 November 2004 23:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ACTUALLY! Speaking of Batman, he wrote an issue or two (number off the top of my head - #430) as Jim Owsley - it was between "Death in the Family" (AKA Call Now To Kill Jason Todd) & John Byrne's 3-part "Many Deaths of Batman" thing - that I recall being REALLY good. #430 is the issue that sticks out in my mind. I must've D/Led in in my massive B!tt0rr3nting binge from a couple weeks' ago. If I find it, I'll U/L it to my super-secret site & GMail you fine folks about it (& if you're not on the GMail booty train & you'd like to take a gander, EEEEEe-mail me).

I'm hoping he's the writer of this SHIELD series I've heard about.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 01:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

A SHIELD series or a Nick Fury series? (Not that the second wouldn't be the first, but the first wouldn't necessarily be the second.) He would definitely be a good pick for Marvel's espionage/intrigue flagship -- Black Panther definitely showed that he knows how to write World Events without reducing them to "Hydra was going to kill the Presidetn but then Moon Knight took that anaconda thing down HARDCORE!" and then never mentioning them or their repercussions again.

I totally forgot Byrne did "Many Deaths." That was a pretty uneven time for the Bat-titles, in general -- "Death in the Family," which should've been at least "pretty good," read like the filler stories you get in an annual or anthology title.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 02:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Was it Batman vs. the Crimesmiths?

Huk-L, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Huk, I think you're right!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ooooh. I love Priest. I even own a complete set of Triumph (a mini-series so bad, he went on a US tour offering to buy back copies from readers). Everything mentioned so far is great; I loved the start of his Deadpool run, but it soon became clear that the editor was a pain in the neck ('we've just set up Seinfeld with super-villains — so let's shoot Deadpool into space! hyyuk!').

But…the classic Priest story for me is one that I didn't even realise was written by him until years later. It's an Amazing Spider-Man annual, which was serialised in the back-up pages of Transformers UK. Iron Man of 2020 comes back in time to get the DNA from a kid who grows up to be a terrorist. Priest nails Spidey completely, and that final panel stil sends shivers down my spine…

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The official word on the NEW Black Panther series, coming in February (with director Reggie Hudlin [House Party, Boomerang, and, um, Saving Sara] at the keys & John Romita Jr. on the sticks):

"The new series will create an adventure that is of epic proportions, returning to the origins of the Black Panther and his ancestral home of Wakanda, a fictional country in the heart of Africa. Wakanda has remained elusive to the modern world, despite its advancements in science and technology, as well as its vast resource of a precious fossil fuel, vibranium. Not only does Wakanda¹s independence block the total dominance of Africa by colonial powers, its cultural evolution has gone unchecked for centuries.

"It's from this exiting culture that Hudlin begins to tell the rich history of the Black Panther and bring him into prominence within the Marvel universe. The first six issues will recreate the legacy of the character for Marvel fans - his family history, his enemies, and his strength. The second six issues will begin to integrate the character into the Marvel universe. By the end of the second story, the Black Panther will have impacted every major character in the Marvel Universe.

"When Marvel first created the Black Panther, there was excitement and real magic in the character for me," Hudlin said. "The Black Panther is a king of a powerful yet untapped country, a son avenging his father's death, and a man educated in the finest schools. I'm thrilled to be given the opportunity to bring back the character in a way that not only respects the original idea of Stan Lee, but also explores a side of his history that fans have never seen before."

"Reggie Hudlin's idea to bring back the Black Panther with a storyline that repositioned the character's role from that of a niche character to much larger role in the Marvel Universe was so fresh and exciting, we were all captivated with the idea," said Joe Quesada, editor-in chief. "In fact, we see the Black Panther taking on the same kind of prominence in the Marvel Universe as Spider-Man."


David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Of course, I'm being a absent-minded cockfarmer about Mr. Hudlin - he's working on the Boondocks TV show, and also collaborated w/ Aaron McGruder on Birth of a Nation.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Speaking of cockfarmery, the review I linked to in my previous post is quite tumescent. Dongtastic, even.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What the hell? That whole thing reads like neither Hudlin nor Quesada have read the Priest run! They're describing Priest's book almost exactly, but making it sound like it hasn't been done before!


"I'm taking Batman back to his roots of being gritty and sending him back to Gotham!"

This is frustrating because obviously I liked Priest's take and it's the one I want to see more of, even if it's not Priest I see it from, but I hate that they're spinning his spin without giving him props.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 18 November 2004 01:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

THANK YOU TEP! I'm glad you're seeing that, too - it's especially galling of Quesada to not mention Priest, as HE WAS THE CO-EDITOR when Black Panther began (as part of Marvel Knights).

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 November 2004 02:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have personally talked to (well, emailed with) Quesada about how good Priest was on BP! I mean, yes, there's as much chance that he was doing the "I'm the EIC, I talk everything up" thing then as that he's doing the "I'm spinning this new project to sound as good as possible" thing now, but Jesus. BP had to have been Priest's most acclaimed work, has he really taken so many hits that they're confident a verbal slap won't affect Marvel's working relationship with him?

It's not like they have to ignore Priest to talk up the new guy, so it just seems ... needless, and an easy way to alienate the existing Black Panther fans. You could easily appeal to new ones while still trying to keep the old ones. Maybe Priest is right, maybe editors really are afraid of a Christopher Priest curse, and they're afraid of risking it by mentioning him in connection with a project that isn't his.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 18 November 2004 03:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 18 November 2004 03:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If the Powers That Be actually gave a Priest project some support, then maybe there WOULDN'T BE a curse! (cf. the Red Sox "curse" being a simple matter of poor management that's FINALLY been remedied)

I read a version of the press release (possibly from the New York Times article that mentioned this) that talked about this being some sort of "hip-hop" crossover type thing. The thing is, that's what Priest was trying to do with The Crew! He even approached Marvel w/ a proposal to do some cross-pollenation marketing (through Vibe or The Source; I forget the details; they're available at his website) w/ a soundtrack & everything, & Marvel shot it down! AND THIS WAS LAST YEAR! What the hell has changed in the past 12-16 months that Marvel's coming around to the idea of FINALLY pitching shit to markets OUTSIDE of the 15-35 white male demographic while simultaneously making it sound that this is like some bolt out of the blue?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 November 2004 03:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The fact that this guy's a comics outsider, that's my guess. Marvel management has a hard-on for that, and admittedly, maybe it's an earned one.

Black Panther was reasonably well-supported at times, considering the B-list nature of the lead character, but a perfect example of a book that should have been hyped more for its approach than for its star -- you don't need to get people to like T'Challa, you just need to point out that they like the West Wing and this is kind of like "what if we replaced Martin Sheen with Batman." I mean, I don't think I EVER heard the West Wing comparison, or anything comparable, from Marvel itself, even though it was the first one fans used.

But Captain America and the Falcon, for instance, I didn't even know about until what, issue four or five or something, and only because you mentioned it! She-Hulk going virtually unnoticed is one thing, but Cap is not exactly a low-profile character.

They know Priest consistently gets critical acclaim, what on Earth stops them from putting him on one of the books that conventional wisdom says sells itself (Batman, Superman, Spidey)?


One of these days he's just going to give up on comics.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Classic: Xero. Dud: Deadpool. The BP pitch upthread sounds is to Priest's run what the current Gambit is to Fabian's.

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I liked his Deadpool! But I won't defend it as strongly as BP; it was an inconsistent run with brilliant moments.

On Priest's blog, re: the new Black Panther, the man sez:

Meanwhile, about (House Party, Boomerang, Great White Hype and Serving Sarah film director) Reggie Hudlin on BP: I'm totally jazzed about it! Reggie is an old friend I met through Denys Cowan more than a decade ago. We've lost touch due to my hermit's tendencies, but I still court him a personal (i.e. I have his home phone number) friend. I've known, for years, that Reggie's wanted to write comics, so this is great news for Reggie and great news for Panther.

Will this be great news for Marvel? Maybe. With JR Jr. on the book, that ought to guarantee a certain amount of look-see. And, yes, I will, for now, avoid the obvious observation that, had Marvel ever put a fan-fave "name" artist on BP while I was writing it, the book would probably still be going.

At any rate, I'm thrilled and will now be forced to actually return Reggie's phone calls.

My take: I was already going to check the book out, but if this guy is actually friends with Priest, he gets more benefit of the doubt (i.e. it doesn't have to win me over with the first two issues). Not that friends always write the same or anything, not at all, but you figure he's more likely to respect Priest's run -- even if he has a different direction he wants to go in, it will hopefully grow out of the old.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 November 2004 03:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What if Priest says he's also tight with Liefeld?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 20 November 2004 15:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh Lord, don't make me try to imagine a Liefeld Black Panther.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 November 2004 16:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...with the mask pulled up so he can make the aarrgh mouth every panel....

I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 20 November 2004 19:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, the issue I've read of Captain America and the Falcon is really great (especially when read alongside the latest Captain America, which while not terrible is the second Marvel comic I have read today to devote a large chunk of the issue to "a third party explains to the protagonist everything that has happened"). Is the deal that Sam has reverted back to being Snap Wilson, and Cap doesn't realize it?

JJJ is handled so subtly and well in this issue that I don't know if I can explain why I like it so much -- he's in like three or four panels, but he comes across so perfectly.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 25 November 2004 02:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
Black Panther #1 (full issue preview).

So far, seems fine, but it's such a first issue that it's hard to tell. (My one complaint: the bigwigs in the room don't seem to be aware of the Huge Earth-Shattering Events Wakanda was involved with in the last series, or of Ross's role in them.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Quantum & Woody return?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 14 April 2005 00:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...
But…the classic Priest story for me is one that I didn't even realise was written by him until years later. It's an Amazing Spider-Man annual, which was serialised in the back-up pages of Transformers UK. Iron Man of 2020 comes back in time to get the DNA from a kid who grows up to be a terrorist. Priest nails Spidey completely, and that final panel stil sends shivers down my spine…

came to this thread after reading owsley/priest's website, but yes, i loved this story. one of my absolute favourites...

i am not a nugget (stevie), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 09:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ten years pass...

Yay to Priest returning to comics, boo to Priest writing Deathstroke for today's DC.

Lyle Lovitz (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 August 2016 16:47 (two years ago) Permalink

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