I know I've said that many places, but I wanted to give it its own thread. The way it's funny without usually being laugh out loud funny, the way it plays with superhero conventions (#2: the "heroes fight over misunderstanding and then team-up" trope is summoned and dismissed and furthers the plot in the space of a page and a half of a story about Jen Walters representing a guy suing Roxxon Corporation for giving him superpowers) without being precious or clever or snide about it, the way a dozen different aspects of the Marvel universe are brought in left and right without being needless namechecks or fanboy wankage -- and I think you can get the stories perfectly fine without realizing what the references are. (#2 also mentions Marvel comics being used as legal evidence because they're licensed by the various superheroes, something frequently mentioned Back In The Day and pretty much ignored during a recent fifth-week event.)
I'm definitely nominating this for Best Of 2004.
What else has Dan Slott done? Why is he not being hailed as the next Bendis?
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:32 (twenty years ago) link
It's great about how to use existing superstuff in new ways as well, like those comic books, or the supervillains prison.
I like the way that it takes a character whose power is hitting things, and makes it not just implicitly but explictly about not hitting things. Also there is hitting things.
Also it means that I can point young whippersnappers at it and say "This! This is what Peter David was like when he was great!"
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:38 (twenty years ago) link
-- Tep (icaneatglas...), November 2nd, 2004.
Answers
Becuase he uses realistic dialogue, instead of Realistic Dialogue?
-- Andrew Farrell (afarrel...), November 2nd, 2004.
Yo ho!
― Huk-l, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago) link
She-Hulk and Pug (normal human guy) have just been attacked by the security system at Avengers Mansion:
SHE-HULK: Ohmigosh! Are you okay?
PUG: Yeah. Feel like an idiot, though. Here I go saying how I'm gonna watch YOUR back ... and then YOU gotta save me from overgrown coat hangers.
SHE-HULK: Made out of a super-strong carbonadium alloy!
PUG: You people just MAKE UP words, don't you?
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:09 (twenty years ago) link
I'm partial to the issue that focuses on Awesome Andy, and any scene w/ Awesome Andy gets my undying approval. & the Spidey issue is the most fun the "real" Spidey's been since the days of DeFalco & Frenz.
Dan Slott wrote a recent Batman mini (something about Arkham Asylum) that got some modestly good press when it hit the stands. Other than that, I think he wrote some of the licensed cartoon books for DC - I might've mentioned it on one of the many threads where I was pimping She-Hulk.
Jordan, I think there's a trade planned in the very near future, but not sure when or if.
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:10 (twenty years ago) link
Awesome Andy rules!
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:12 (twenty years ago) link
I imagine the lack of Bendisian kudos for Slott's work have a lot to do re: where Bendis came from (indie dahling w/ buttloads of buzz doing funnybooks) & where Slott's coming from (????). Andrew's spot on re: the difference between Slott & Bendis' dialogue.
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:18 (twenty years ago) link
He should do a mutant book. Seriously, this kind of not-taking-it-seriously-but-not-gags stuff, with the interest in and ability to write about the obvious extrapolations of Marveliana (exponential strength in gamma form -> increase strength in normal form and reap huge benefits when Shulked out, the elegance of that still kills me) would be perfect, given all the loose ends dangling from the X-library. Not X-Men itself, but you know, a solo book or X-Force or something.
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago) link
I had a sort of dull affection for the Byrne She-Hulk and even the issues Bryan Hitch drew (back when he was still an utter Davis clone) but hadn't even considered picking up the new series. Which is one of the good things about ILC. Thank you.
― David N (David N.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:11 (twenty years ago) link
i also loved that "you pppl just make words up don't you?" (as i remember vibranium, adamantium etc.)
― H (Heruy), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 4 November 2004 11:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 4 November 2004 11:53 (twenty years ago) link
She-Hulk will end with issue #12, and relaunch with a Runaways-style marketing push.
What does that last part mean? I'm unhappy about this.
― Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 7 November 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 November 2004 13:12 (twenty years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:12 (twenty years ago) link
― joan jett's real actual girlfriend (mark s), Monday, 8 November 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago) link
I don't know, does it mean that they're "cancelling" it, letting digest-sized trades marinate in store for a year, and then restarting it if the sales were good enough?
― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 8 November 2004 18:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:09 (twenty years ago) link
I'm not sure how Marvel will solve the cancellation issue when they glut themselves out of any new break-out successes by flooding the direct market with 284,382 new titles every month.
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:29 (twenty years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago) link
"As to why the series – though very well reviewed, had a tough time finding an audience, Brevoort pointed to a couple of factors. 'She-Hulk was launched during a period in which we started up dozens of titles, so it's no surprise that it got lost in the mix. Atop that, the standard answers apply--fans and retailers were skeptical, didn't know what to make of it, and never quite got around to revising their buying patterns. Plus that old favorite song of ‘waiting for the TPB’ - which should be on sale in a week or so, and was more heavily ordered than the average Marvel trade played a role.'"
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:01 (twenty years ago) link
Or both!
I miss Quesada's long-abandoned promise to minimize new books and especially new solo books, which he seems to have respun as "except for miniseries and really good stuff" (if your intent is just to limit output to "good comics," do you really need a promise more specific than that?) I think he gets way too much criticism, as Jemas did when he was around (and I think the criticism is mostly because he makes himself a more public figure than his predecessors did, and because no one had any real expectations of Marvel for a number of years before he stepped in), but that one's exasperating.
― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:02 (twenty years ago) link
"I've seriously been toying with the idea of pitching a four issue 'Awesome Andy' mini to the guys at 'Marvel Age.' Four done-in-one stories for all ages about what Awesome Andy does on his weekends and days off. Kind of like Curious George stories. Like, 'Awesome Andy Goes to the Zoo' or 'Awesome Andy and the Treasure Map.' What do you guys think?"
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 2 December 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Vic Fluro, Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 3 December 2004 00:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Huk-L, Friday, 3 December 2004 04:43 (twenty years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link
It really is very very very good indeed - and his Spiderman/Human Torch is BRILL as well.
― MJ Hibbett, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link
I really like the Spidey/Torch thing, but I think it would have been better if they had run it on newsprint. I think the effects they're going for with the colouring and inking don't translate to this newfangled glossy paper.
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Monday, 21 March 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link
JUAN BOBILLO! W00T!
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 21 March 2005 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link
hopefully this will soothe all my Crisis Anxieties.
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link
I've been excited about Two-Gun Kid showing up, because although not many people know Matt's not just a gunslinging honorary Avenger, he's also a Harvard-educated lawyer, I'm betting Slott does.
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link
I totally thought Starfox was the Avenger-in-stasis, tho, & have had to delay my Starfox-joy for 2 months, which is surprisingly hard!
GIVE SLOTT A SPIDER-MAN TITLE PLEASE! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!
DAMN IT PLEASE!
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link
I think I'm just saying Slott should write all the Marvel books from the Shooter era of my childhood. Slott's Beyonder Follies! Slott's Iron Man in Red And Silver Armor! Slott's Cloud And Andromeda -- Remember Them? Guest-Starring Firebird.
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― c(''c) (Leee), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link
i really really liked that many of the stories in the volume were one-issue wonders! i guess i've gotten used to extremely drawn-out plot arcs at this point (viz daredevil again... which is like the slowest arc ever... although i dig that too) so there's something really refreshing about it. i've always been on the fence in terms of narrative compression (largely because grant morrison is always getting props for it & i tend to think that despite his other skillz he's not very good at it) but it really works here. or maybe this isn't "compression" at all but just old-school comix storytelling.
also: funny!
also: i love the art! guess i better not get used to it huh
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 4 March 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 5 March 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 5 March 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 5 March 2006 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― c(''c) (Leee), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link
i think i wasn't as DELIGHTED with everything, which may have to do with
1) having read the first tp it's less novel2) i kinda felt like shit last night3) so i'm going to read it again
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pete (Pete), Monday, 13 March 2006 11:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 13 March 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:29 (eighteen years ago) link
ROFLS!
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link
they should!! or ultimate for that matter, why not?
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link
???
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Foghorn L. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link
meh.
― molly (bulbs), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 07:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link
There's a lot of talk about his Spiderman above, and I like the way that his JJJ is the opposite - a lot of dumb and crazy stuff has happened to Peter Parker over the last 40 years, so you basically have to pick and choose or end up burying him under the weight of it. Whereas with JJJ the more you pile on the funnier.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― jel --, Sunday, 25 February 2007 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jordan, Monday, 26 February 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― Leee, Monday, 26 February 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link
Slott's last issues were funny!
― Jordan, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link
Should I continue this thread to talk about the Tas Mas vehicle. Or go to MCU.Anyway, quite deeply fun. I do like a bit of Tas Mas. She's awfully good. & I'm sue she loves being called Tas Mas . Well anyway, glad this is another good tv show from Marvel. Was i seeing a LatinX element in the credits. Interesting if so.
― Stevolende, Friday, 19 August 2022 09:34 (two years ago) link
THat is to say, looking at end credits I was thinking there was LatinX presence in the crew etc, & pretty female.Which is good. Hoping that inclusivity and actual diversity is rising. I was watching a lot of the Film Fatales webinars a couple of years ago which seemed to indicate it was. not sure how clear a lens that would be though. May be its own gaze or something.
Now seeing that Head Writer is Asian American. which is cool in itself.
― Stevolende, Friday, 19 August 2022 09:57 (two years ago) link
Anyone been reading the current (Rainbow Rowell) series? I preordered the Vol. 1 trade on spec… been itching to read something new, and it sounded potentially good.
― Panda bear, my gentle friend (morrisp), Sunday, 21 August 2022 01:03 (two years ago) link
^Vol. 1 was good – cute and offbeat – and Vol. 2 (which just came out) is even better… kind of next-level, actually, in a few respects. Highly recommended!
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Thursday, 8 June 2023 06:18 (one year ago) link
I just took a look at the previews for Vol. 1 on Amazon, it does look promising.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 8 June 2023 19:30 (one year ago) link