TINTIN vs. ASTERIX

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vs. LUCKY LUKE?

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

TINTIN. Asterix is a good laugh but Tintin is genius.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What is this so-called "Tintin"? I only think of Rin-tin-tin whenever someone mentions it. I am not familiar with "*" either.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Tintin:

http://www.tegneserier.homepage.dk/html/opgave/images/tintin.jpg

Asterix:

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~dgbuck/asterix%20I.jpg


Both are classic fanco-belgian comics, and both are a lot less gay than they look from the pictures.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If you'd grown up in Europe you'd certainly know both of them; they're practically required reading for kids over here.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I definitely recommend both of them, but yeah, I think Wooden is right about Tintin ultimately being better. But I've never read Asterix in English (which is kind of weird since I can't really read French anymore), so I don't know what effect that's got on my opinion.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I grew up on Tintin and Asterix, both originally in French (I lived in Lyons for two years and went to a French kindergarten) and then again later in English when living in India. This is a very very tough call for me. I really admire Tintin's artwork, probably more so than Asterix, but after that I don't think I can rate one higher than the other on plot, characterization, etc. The Lucky Luke inclusion was kind of a joke.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Tintin definately wins out on plot, because there's actual suspense involved. You know Tintin won't get killed, cos he's the hero, but he physically could be. On the other hand, there's never any mention of death in Asterix's world, and if he gets in to trouble he just guzzles some magic potion, so it's purely about the humour - which is very funny.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

They both create extremely charming worlds. But I've been drawn back to the Tintin world as an adult and appreciated it more, whereas I think Asterix I wouldn't have that response to. So - Kid Tom: draw. Man Tom: Tintin.

Are the Asterix titles done after one of the creators died any good?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Not nearly as good as the ones done by both of them. The jokes seem very strained at times.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Are these available in America?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I just checked Amazon to see if they have Asterix (I know they have Tintin), and yep. You'd never guess from their listings that they aren't (exclusively) kids' books, though (some of them, you can't even tell their comics).

Libraries have Tintin sometimes -- more often than Asterix, anyway, in my experience.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Jordan, with Tintin I'd recommend starting with one of the following:

Tintin in Tibet
Destination Moon/Explorers on the Moon
The Calculus Affair
The Seven Crystal Balls/Prisoners of the Sun
The Shooting Star

The Castifiore Emerald is arguably Herge's masterpiece, but it's so atypical that it wouldn't make a good starting point. DON'T start with Tintin in America- it's crap and may put you off the whole series.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

As the top 100 I posted here suggested, it's Tintin for me too. Both Tintin and Asterix have layers that only adults can understand, and I think Asterix has even more of them; for example, there's the historical references (like Caesar's relationship with Brutus), and a lot of the Asterix books parody how different European nationalities are stereotypically portrayed - see Asterix in Spain, Asterix in Belgium, or Asterix in Britain, for example. But as Wooden said, there's more suspense, and also more emotion and serious themes found in Tintin, and for some reason people usually (me included) rate this sort of art higher than "mere" humour.

Lucky Luke is quite good too, in my opinion. (It's scripted by Coscinny, the same guy who wrote Asterix, in case someone didn't know.) Has it ever been translated to English? You'd presume Americans would like to see how two Frenchmen handle such an American genre as the western...

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'd have to say Asterix partially because I read them first and partially because I know of no theme park that's based on the Tintin universe.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've never seen Lucky Luke in the US, and I haven't read them since I was a little kid in Europe, so I can't really give an American viewpoint on them. I barely remember them at all actually, weren't there like three bad guys who were triplets or something? I remember the artwork as being less detailed than Asterix, but I could be wrong about that.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Tintin theme park would include the SUPER CALCUCOLOUR ride which would render you insensible. I love Goscinny's humour, but there are panels of Herge that can make you cry tears of joy.

Richard Jones (scarne), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There was a Tintin store in Paris a few years ago. Is it still there?

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There's still one in London, and in Brussels too.

Richard Jones (scarne), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've never seen Lucky Luke in the US, and I haven't read them since I was a little kid in Europe, so I can't really give an American viewpoint on them. I barely remember them at all actually, weren't there like three bad guys who were triplets or something? I remember the artwork as being less detailed than Asterix, but I could be wrong about that.

Yeah, the artwork (by Morris) is less detailed than in Asterix, but quite good in it's own right. The bad guys are the four Dalton brothers, supposedly the cousins of the real Daltons. The Lucky Luke comics play with all sorts of western conventions; for example, Jolly Jumper, Luke's horse, is so intelligent he plays chess with him. And there's also Ran-tan-plan, the world's stupidest dog.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Tuomas - Lucky Luke has been translated into English.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 22:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Tintin themepark is BEST IDEA EVER.
i never got half the jokes in Asterix when i was a kid, especially with characters names etc. recently reread one with egyptians speaking in hieroglyphs that made me laugh out loud.
has anyone read 'tintin and alph-art'?
also, this : http://meachams.com/brian/design/euro.html

zappi (joni), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Does anyone remember the Lucky Luke animated cartoon adaptation that Disney did? I saw it as a kid and I don't think it's been put out on video since the early 80's. It was a perfect adaptation of the comic, too. (the villains were sort of triplets (or was it quadruplets?) but they had different personalities, with the littlest one being the brains and the biggest being stupid).

Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh, this is impossible for me. grew up loving both and thier strengths are in different enough areas for me that it entireley depends on which mood i'm in.

H (Heruy), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

a friend just bought this http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0867199016/ref=pd_sxp_f/103-2872703-3075850?v=glance&s=books

and i'm supposed to snag it along with his entire tintin collection next week for a lazy beachside weekend.

H (Heruy), Friday, 8 October 2004 08:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ooh, I want that. I'd also recommend Harry Thompson's excellent "Tintin-Herge and his creation" to any Tintin fan. Don't know if it's still in print, though.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 8 October 2004 12:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Amazon has a So You'd Like To... thingie about Tintin, written by their DVD editor (although none of the movies are actually in print right now). Looks like a fairly handy guide to what they have.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 8 October 2004 12:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

You can get them four-to-a-DVD in Fopp for under a tenner, I think.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 October 2004 12:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Er, granted that's not much use to you.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 October 2004 12:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

They're a bit rubbish though, if you didnt watch them as a kid you won't get much out of them.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 October 2004 12:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

if anyone is interested, i'd actually be willing to scan in Tintin's and send 'em to anyone who does not already have 'em.

H (Heruy), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have a handful of cbr Tintins - Flight 714, Shooting Star, Broken Ear, Cigars/Pharoah.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I remember it being impossible to walk around the school playground holding a Tintin book without some jerk yelling (in appropriate booming voice) "HER-JAYS... ADVENTURES... OF... TINTINNN", and then me feeling like I wanted to die. Cultural barbarians.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Christ, that cartoon was awful.

By the way, I've had a look and I think the Harry Thompson book I mentioned IS out of print. If anyone in the UK would like to borrow it, I'd be happy to post it to them. Required reading for Tintin fans.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Seconded about Harry Thompson's book. I've checked "Books In Print" at my store, and it can't be ordered. He was a producer on HIGNFY, I think -- it's by far the best book on Tintin and Herge I've read (Farr's book is a little hagiographic) -- also good, if monstrously huge and pretentious, is Benoit Peter's "Tintin and the World of Herge", which has some fantastic reprinted art.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.lofficier.com/comicscoversupeasterix.gif

Huk-L, Friday, 8 October 2004 18:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wow, a Superman comic I want to read!

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 October 2004 18:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Whoa!

I remember the Lucky Luke animated series from my childhood, I haven't seen it since so I really can't say whether it was any good.

Have any of you seen any of the Asterix animated feature films? Some of them are pretty good, especially "The Twelwe Tasks of Asterix". It isn't based on any of the albums, but it's the only Asterix film actually scripted by Coscinny and Uderzo, and I think that shows. The recent live-action Asterix film was, on the other hand, pretty awful, even though Gérard Depardieu was a perfect choice for Obelix. I can't see the point of making live-action film versions of comics, when animation would be a far better form for them. Thank God the Corto Maltese film was an animated one.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 9 October 2004 11:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I kinda hate Tin Tin, as he reminds of 80's Arsenal footballer Perry Groves. Plus, the books were pretty boring.

Asterix is vastly superior.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 9 October 2004 16:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

A few years ago that Tintin haircut was pretty common in the Uk....
if only Asterix moustaches would become fashionable.

I can only base this on what I liked as a kid : Asterix over Tintin every time.
Tintin always seemed dry and somehow airless to me. Whereas Asterix was just fun. And funny.

David N (David N.), Saturday, 9 October 2004 23:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I admire Tintin far more than I actually like it, whereas I love Asterix, as well as admiring it greatly, so it's Asterix for me. The Uderzo solo ones aren't anywhere near as good - Goscinny was a really great comedy writer. Lucky Luke is terrific, as is Iznogoud and Oom-pa-pa (without going to check spellings) - there are English translations of all of these in the same large thin paperback format as Asterix is most often seen in.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 10 October 2004 11:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Iznogoud is great, I think that's where Coscinny really let his imagination fly. Post-Coscinny Iznogoud stories are pretty good too. Also, I don't think Uderzo is *that* bad as a writer; I like "The Son of Asterix" as well as some of his other post-Coscinny albums.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 10 October 2004 12:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

To answer a couple of questions from upthread, "Tintin and Alph-Art" is really cool, even though it's essentially an unfinished work. Work buying from a used bookstore or e-bay or something of the like. The only one of those books which is complete and utter shit is "Tintin in America," though I'm not fond of the quasi-colonialist mode of expression in "The Blue Lotus" or "Tintin in Tibet," either.

The Tintin store in London is right around Covent Garden. It's pretty neat. I got a Tintin Playstation game that's in PAL format, so it won't work on my American Playstation without modding it. But still, woah...a Tintin playstation game!

ng, Sunday, 10 October 2004 17:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Just in case you don't know, Tintin And Alph-Art was published in English earlier this year and is currently available from Amazon.co.uk for £6.99. I ordered a copy the other day.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Sunday, 10 October 2004 21:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i used to be totally obsessed with asterix (and his pal obelix, which i would pronounce OH-BEE-LEE-IX) as a kid! i'd take them out of the library every week. but tintin has nicer art, yes.

also the other people at most of the movie press screenings i go to generally resemble the supporting cast of a tintin book, so props for that too.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 11 October 2004 04:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I prefer Asterix over Tintin, because as a kid I found Asterix a lot funnier than the rather humourless Tintin. I do not know whih one I would prefer as an adult, but the art in Tintin is more appealing at this point. But it's always fun to say Vercengetorix.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 11 October 2004 12:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Blistering barnacles, Tintin is SO not humourless.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 11 October 2004 12:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It just has other aspects to it than humour, which Asterix doesn't really.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 11 October 2004 12:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Blistering barnacles"!!!

Ladies & germs, we just found the new IMPERIOUS REX!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 October 2004 13:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I SAW AN "ASTERIX & OBELIX" PLAYSTATION 2 GAME AT THE VIDEO GAME STORE YESTERDAY. IN AMERICA!!!

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.allgame.com/cg/agg.dll?p=agg&SQL=GIH||||45283

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think one of the earliest things I watched on cable was an Asterix / Obelix animated flick on the Disney Channel. I think, for a 2-3 week period, I was all about Asterix / Obelix.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I eagerly await the Tintin / Jimmy Olson crossover.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I would almost get a PSII just to play that. Almost.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Asterix and Obelix Kick Buttix"??!!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 11 October 2004 16:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Asterix and Obelix Eat Wheatabix"???!?!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 October 2004 16:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i was once sent asterix and obelix slash, for some reason far far more disturbing than tintin/haddock slash.

a completely non-geeky (unlike us) friend of mine decided once that I was Professor Calculus. I was deeply offended and still feel hurt even tho I love him.

H (Heruy), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

you can read the Anarchist Tintin comix online here http://tintinrevolution.free.fr/pages/image001.html

zappi (joni), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

did anyone ever see any of those french live-action asterix movies?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 16:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No, but check this out:

ihttp://www.geocities.com/pvermees/orange_g.jpg

I really hope the Spielberg version doesn't get off the ground.

Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 16:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

did anyone ever see any of those french live-action asterix movies?

Yeah. It was a'ight, great cast and a lot of enthusiasm making up for the fact that it costs a fortune to do the kind of effects Uderzo can do with a pencil.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 19:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

That was the second one, with Cleopatra.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 19:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The first one sucked, as I already said upthread. Haven't seen the second one.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 09:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The second one is a vast improvement! The humour is tighter, and the caricatures are less overt.

Richard Jones (scarne), Thursday, 14 October 2004 20:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"It's like Tintin in the Congo all over again"

Tom (Groke), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i love the actual headline, it sounds like a wrestling report = "DR Congo slams 'Tintin' minister"

mark s (mark s), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
asterix all the way. i guess tintin is at a disadvantage here because ive read asterix all my life and tintin for the first tiem last weekend, but tintin is so completely devoid of humour (not of funny, mind you) that its almost painful to read. the stories arent quite as exciting as asterix either.

:| (....), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

also maybe i picked the wrong twelve volumes, but how come there are no girls in tintin? except for that fat diva.

:| (....), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

Arse, forgot the http:// -- www.springerlink.com/content/x161246067q0h638/

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 17 June 2011 11:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm a huge fan of both of these, and Lucky Luke and all that. Ultimately, I think it's Asterix's humour and attention to historical detail that tops the list. Has anyone visited the comic museum in Brussels? Not very Anglophone friendly, but I highly recommend it. Comics are like a religion in that part of the world and it's a crying shame that artists like Franquin haven't been translated and released in the English speaking world.

the Sandalled Vandal (dog latin), Friday, 17 June 2011 11:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

i liked asterix more as a kid but tintin kind of stands now as one of the great edifices of 'what you can do in comics' so er well

thomp, Friday, 17 June 2011 11:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

aaah, how I loved these. a huge part of my childhood memories. including lucky luke (and les schtroumpf, at a younger age !). tintin is by far considered more artsy with the "ligne claire" ecole. funny cos I've just read one for the first time in years (rackham/licorne). nice but not sure there's much there for me anymore. the storyline was a bit thin (and that's a 2 albums story). haven't read any lucky luke or asterix. lately.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 June 2011 13:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

can someone explain exaclty what "ligne claire" is?

the Sandalled Vandal (dog latin), Friday, 17 June 2011 13:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

i liked asterix more as a kid but tintin kind of stands now as one of the great edifices of 'what you can do in comics' so er well

This seems pretty true but I still like Asterix more.

I have bought a few Lucky Lukes lately because some little publisher has finally taken on the project of a full set of English translations - finally I'm reading the actual text to comics I previously bought as a kid on holiday in languages I didn't really know and guessed wildly at. They're no Asterix but it's still nice to pick up nuances I'd missed before

also I just bought a set of Asterixes in German and (ahem) downloaded a set of Tintins in German on the flimsy pretext of needing to practise my German (which is not really up to the task, but), so maybe I'll have more of an opinion soon

sambal dalek (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 17 June 2011 13:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligne_claire

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 June 2011 13:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

Roman nationality, hypoglossal paresis, lost helmet, and ingestion of the magic potion were significantly correlated with severe initial impairment of consciousness

☂ (max), Friday, 17 June 2011 13:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

come to think of it I have wanted to be a cowboy and have some magic potion but never wanted to be a journalist with an alcoholic sailor friend.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 17 June 2011 13:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

I have bought a few Lucky Lukes lately because some little publisher has finally taken on the project of a full set of English translations

The lettering in this is so ugly that I can't bring myself to buy them. Although even TINTIN has recently been relettered with shitty computer fonting! Why on earth I don't even. It's grotesque vandalism.

underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have pwned (sic), Saturday, 18 June 2011 00:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

i could never get into asterix as a kid and so i haven't read enough to have an informed opinion but when i discovered tintin i remember being almost unable to believe something so cool could exist in so many volumes

my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 18 June 2011 02:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

for reference i was also a fan of novels set in the indiana jones extended universe

my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 18 June 2011 02:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

So many volumes, but not enough.

I'm really glad I still have several of my old Tintin books with the handwritten font, that new one is crazy ugly. "Grotesque vandalism" totally OTM. And weirdly, they've kept the old sound effects.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Although even TINTIN has recently been relettered with shitty computer fonting!

Blimey, this makes me a bit sad.

funny cos I've just read one for the first time in years (rackham/licorne). nice but not sure there's much there for me anymore. the storyline was a bit thin (and that's a 2 albums story)

Despite being probably the most famous Tintin story, this two parter is far from the best. Try The Calculus Affair or Tintin in Tibet.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 20 June 2011 01:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

(If there's a better Franco-Belgian comics thread do please point me at it)

Pleased to see Gaston Lagaffe finally get published in English but "Gomer Goof" is a terrible name. Amazon / publisher

also it's a Cinebooks release (unsurprising as they've been the publisher taking on other golden era Francophone comic translations including the Gaston-related Spirou & Fantasio) so sic will not be buying it for ugly computer lettering reasons I guess

wonder if we'll ever see Franquin's non-Gaston/Spirou stuff e.g. "Idées noires" in English

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 7 July 2017 11:24 (one year ago) Permalink

Gomer Goof? ugh..

Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 7 July 2017 11:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Idees Noires is amazing. I really wish they'd translate that. Still no idea why the majority of all these comics are lost to Anglophone audiences

Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 7 July 2017 11:29 (one year ago) Permalink

Agree that Gomer Goof is a terrible name - and I don't really buy Cinebook's justification that 'Gaston' means nothing to English speaking audiences. But if it's the price we have to pay for translated Franquin so be it, fugly computer lettering and all.

Aside from Idées noires (and all of Franquin's best Spirou volumes), what other major Franco-Belgian comics now remain untranslated?

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Friday, 7 July 2017 12:02 (one year ago) Permalink

has lucky luke been fully translated?

Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 7 July 2017 12:11 (one year ago) Permalink

Pretty much - Cinebooks have published all of the Goscinny-written ones, and made a good dent on the ones produced before and after his run.

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Friday, 7 July 2017 12:22 (one year ago) Permalink

What idiot thinks "Gomer" is a more well-recognised name than "Gaston"? Sounds like a 1970s Beezer strip.

I'm glad to have the Spirous (very, very gradually!) in English but TBH I prefer reading the French ones even if my translation skills aren't quite there. It's ever clearer from reading their bland transliterations just what an incredible job the Tintin & Asterix translators did. (Actually I believe the Tintins are being retranslated, which is idiotic.)

Whoever's on the Lucky Lukes has done a better job on the dialogue, but that's Goscinny I guess.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 7 July 2017 13:54 (one year ago) Permalink

Dailt Star and the Bounty Hunter are both vg non-Goscinny stories.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 7 July 2017 13:54 (one year ago) Permalink

Gomer Goof is actually the name that Fantagraphics used when they ran a few Gaston strips in their anthology magazine Prime Cuts. But that was produced for a predominantly North American audience, who would be familiar with the name Gomer Pyle from The Andy Griffith show.

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:02 (one year ago) Permalink

It's ever clearer from reading their bland transliterations just what an incredible job the Tintin & Asterix translators did.

Anthea Bell & Derek Hockridge's Asterix translations for Hodder Dargaud were great and v good with puns, yes! A remarkable achievement which I become more and more impressed by as I get older and fail to learn any languages with pun-spotting fluency.

So it surprised me that I actually prefer the Cinebooks translation of the first Iznogoud book to the B&H-translated 1970s edition which I found second-hand. The 70s edition has kept some puns which don't really make sense in English and the typesetting looks scrappy and doesn't fit the bubbles well in places. Not up to their Asterix translation standards but maybe a rushed job. The Cinebooks edition, on the other hand, was also not 70s Asterix standard but at least perfectly serviceable with no conspicuously literal pun translations.

(slightly vague as I don't remember the specifics, sorry - will have a look for the books over the weekend. Also apologies if I've already written this on ILX as it seems v possible that I have)

Gomer a jarringly odd name to me (plus Gaston perfectly pronounceable in English, and the Germans cope with him being called Gaston, after all) and "Gaffe" works perfectly well in English, with or without the "La", but oh well. Also "Mind the Gaffe" would have been an A+ pun and "Mind the Goof" is just, eh

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 7 July 2017 14:46 (one year ago) Permalink

(quick fact-checks: it's not the 1st Iznogoud that I have both editions of but the 2nd, "The Caliph's Vacation", and apologies for repeatedly & incorrectly pluralising Cinebook)

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 7 July 2017 14:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Anthea Bell interview here btw: https://www.connexionfrance.com/Archive/Making-Asterix-funny-in-English

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 7 July 2017 15:19 (one year ago) Permalink

I have one of those 70s Iznogouds too, they do seem like cheap knockoffs. Before Cinebooks, I had one English Lucky Luke that I read to death, "The Dalton Brother's Analyst" - translation is v. good, and Sic would prob approve of the hand lettering too.

Have many fond memories of avoiding the sun on childhood holidays so I could sit in a librarie and read Lucky Luke books for hours instead.

Great interview btw. This is amazjng:

Some of the later ones by Goscinny have long passages of extended literary allusions. In Le Cadeau de César [Caesar’s Gift] Asterix duels with a Roman soldier and he does it in the character of Cyrano de Bergerac, it’s wonderful, it goes on for almost a page. I sat looking at that and thought “the most famous swordfight in English literature is probably Hamlet and Laertes,” and the whole thing was done with quotations from Hamlet in the end.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:56 (one year ago) Permalink

I remember my secondary school French teacher (native French speaker) saying she thought the English translation of Asterix had better jokes than the original.

chap, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:44 (one year ago) Permalink


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