Explain me the Avengers.

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The point of the JLA is that they're the greatest heroes on the planet (I understand that this point was frequently undercut by office politics taking the big guns out on the line-up, but that still remains the point)

The point of the X-Men is that they're all mutants.

The point of the Fantaastic Four is that they're more or less a family.

The point of the Avengers seems to be that they're the greatest heroes on the planet, who are not already X-Men, or FFers, or Spiderman...

This lack seems to be the core of my antipathy towards the Avengers. But there are people who are diehard Avengers fans, possibly even beyond their attachment to the individual members. What am I not getting?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I am, I just realised, assuming that there is something in the concept rather than the execution: I've never heard anyone saying "'s fantastic Avengers run" that I can remember.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Englehart?
Perez?
I don't know.
What were/are they Avenging?

Huk-L, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

bah, there was supposed to be a <blank> inside those quotes.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The point of the Avengers = "Hmm, DC has the JLA, we should do some type of global watchdog team on our end."

I know nothing about Avengers history, I just know that Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Vision, Wasp and Hawkeye are all cool characters who still aren't cool enough to make me buy the comic.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'd say the point of the Fantastic Four is that their adventures were always amazingly trippy.

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Engelhart run is meant to be good. But it was over 30 years ago!

When I think of the Avengers I think of solid meat and potatoes superhero fare.

The problem is that there are a couple of conflicting 'models' for the team.

A) Marvel's top solo heroes get together to sort out threats that need more than one character - this was pretty much what the original line-up was. (And what the new line-up w/Wolverine and Spider-Man is)

B) Minor characters get their shot at the big time - this was the point of Hawkeye/Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch line-up.

Most line-ups have been an uncomfortable mix of the two, so you have stalwarts that could happily carry their own title, like Iron Man, and characters who you only got to see in the Avengers, like Black Knight. You could only really do character dev stuff with the minor guys so the comic was always a bit of a hotch-potch.

Within the Marvel U they're the 'establishment' superteam, I'm not sure how they got to be that exactly.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think it's a little thing called "by default".

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Also, I totally would by a Wasp series. MMMM JANET I LUV U

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, that makes them sound almost exactly like the JLA (my conception of "modern" JLA is Morrison's, so if they've added Snapper Carr or Booster Gold since then I don't care).

Bah, I've just remembered that I heart The Ultimates. Possibly because the members don't have solo books (and are been written by Mark Millar), so can be less than heroic.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah but I assume at some point there was a story where the government said "hurrah it's the Avengers, they have a tendency to recruit former villains but fuck it, that's what we do!"

(OK maybe the government didn't say exactly that.)

(Incidentally the Marvel Universe is hardly tough on crime. When a supervillain decides to repent do they i) serve their time with due humility or ii) straight away join the people who took them down? If nothing else it's a shining example for any police forces with staffing crises.)

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is my favourite Avenger btw:

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The man with the Roiphynol smile!

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh you crazy picture links.

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Or go here.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Anyway he is a balding ginger ponce with the power to make anyone love him and a sizeable copyright issue. What's not to like?

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Does the Marvel Universe have less of the Revolving Door Minimum Security Prison than DC? On the other hand, no supercriminals in jails = no Suicide Squad.

Also I think the goverment in The Ultimates says that sometime in issue 1.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

On a tangenital note, I've never understood why the normal folk of the MU seem fear and despise those who were born with their powers (the X-Men) yet respect and adulate those who got them through some kind of accident or being possessed by a Norse god or something (most of the Avengers, the FF).

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Heh, 'tangenital'. That sounds a bit rude.

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think pretty much every Marvel character gets a bit of "get outta town YA SUPER-CRUMB!" at some point in his/her/its career.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Classic Avenger run = Stern / Buscema / Palmer in the early-to-mid 80s. From #255 to #292 - some Kree / Skrull nonsense, Hercules & Sub-Mariner hop on board, the Jean Grey brou-ha-ha (oy), the Masters of Evil scuttlebutt the Avengers IN THEIR BACKYARD, a trip to Olympus to save Hercules, and then Roger Stern left in favor of Walt Simonson's WTF run due to "creative differences" w/ the editorial staff.

Actually, Roger Stern's run on Avengers (going back to #220-ish) was probably THE run (at least in terms of aging the best). One of my first "OH WOW COMICS" memories was my first trip to New Haven, CT (45 minutes from my home) at age 12 w/ a nice chunk of paper route money (or maybe my dad paid) and getting (among other goodies) issue #250, a DOUBLE SIZED EXTRAVAGANZA where the Avengers fought MAELSTROM (some Orphan Annied-eyed guy w/ connections to The Eternals).

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

But what are they avenging???

Huk-L, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hotpants.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Avenging the rise or fall thereof?

Huk-L, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Exception that proves Tom's rule = Captain America? And probably the black characters.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh come on there must have been stories where THE PEOPLE turn on CAP in a gasp-choke! can it BE??? sort of way.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Don't ask! Just buy it!
A new height in modern literature!
The People vs. Captain America!

Huk-L, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm seeing a Neal Adams cover here for some reason.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No doubt! Can't think of any off the top of my head, though.

Super-Crumb Seeds of Doubt (for the original 5):
Iron Man = WHO IS IN THAT ARMOR??
Hank Pym = wife-beating, Ultron-inventing, Egghead-killing machine
Thor = gods are slippery folk
Hulk = Well, how about HE'S THE HULK for starters?
Wasp = um ... too much of a jetsetter? a Pop Art Carrie Bradshaw?

They're avenging injustices all across the world or some shit, duh. Though I like Dan's answer.

xpost - funny; I see Steranko.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm sure it would be an allegory of some kind.

xpost

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Is there a black character in the Marvel (or DC) universe who HASN'T gotten a "GO AWAY BLACKIE BLACK BLACK WE HATE YOU" reaction?

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Eternity!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sunspot?

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sunspot's "GO AWAY BLACKITY DARKFACE" moment is inherent in his origin; one of the reasons he joins the New Mutants is because the father of his white girlfriend hates him and he accidentally hurts a white rival for her affections playing soccer/football.

I have no idea who Eternity is.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Meninha! When I look into their eyes I see...fear! Do they think me a monster?" etc etc etc etc for 100 issues plus mini-series.

xpost

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

THE ETERNITY

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Is there a black character in the Marvel (or DC) universe who HASN'T gotten a "GO AWAY BLACKIE BLACK BLACK WE HATE YOU" reaction?

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking.


Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Okay Dave, I think being black because you are an anthropomorphic embodiment of the eternal void is a little different.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

On a tangenital note, I've never understood why the normal folk of the MU seem fear and despise those who were born with their powers (the X-Men) yet respect and adulate those who got them through some kind of accident or being possessed by a Norse god or something (most of the Avengers, the FF).

This is ultimately why the only times I've read X-books regularly have been when I wasn't reading other Marvel comics regularly. I just can't buy the X-Men and their whole mutant-hatedom schtick coexisting with the Avengers, FF, etc. I think both halves of the situation would be much better off if they'd been kept separate.

It's like when there's an alien invasion in an issue of Superman that no one in the other comics seems to be aware of, except bigger and more ongoing and in your face.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I love the Avengers, mainly because they were big favourites when I was a kid - the early Kirby ones are great, I love the Heck "Wanda my sister" issues, and then there are some really good Thomas/Buscema ones too. Besides the Engleharts, the first Shooter run is very good - then he came back a couple of years later and was appalling. The Bendis stuff at the moment is the first ones I've read in years.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Silver age comics are so full of these annoying inconsistencies. There's an early issue of the FF, for example, where Reed finds organic matter in a metorite and exclaims excitedly "This proves there's life on other planets!" This after coming face to face with the Skrulls and the Watcher. Had he just forgotten?

xpost

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The maybe we can infer that he meant life on other planets that doesn't want to kill him?

Huk-L, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I should post to the My CBR Shame thread about this, but - one of the things I rec'd in my Defenders bitt0rrent booty was Avengers #83, the first appearance of the Valkyrie. (Pedant alert: I might have the number wrong.) Essentially, Roy Thomas tries to make a grand statement re: equal rights by having all the female Avengers fall under the spell of The Valkyrie, this Norse warrior goddess (who's actually The Enchantress) espousing all this bra-burning hooey. Essentially, the women are under The Valkyrie's spell because they BELIEVE in her man-bashing rhetoric, even when the big reveal occurs (oh my!), but then something (probably a heartfelt speech from one of the Avenging bohunks) snaps them out of it. And then I think someone makes a point re: the good intentions behind the rhetoric fueling The Valkyrie's hatemongering. And then there's fruit cup.

So, yeah - way to make a point about women's lib by portraying super-powered ladies as weak-willed sycophants willing to run around yelling "DIE, MALE CHAUVANIST PIG!"

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Also on the C side - Kurt Busiek's run on the latest (soon ending) version of Avengers. A little too reliant on the caption-as-narration technique, but a lot of the storylines (ESPECIALLY the year+ long "Emperor Kang" thing) had a sense of the epic "whoa cool" vibe to them that's rare in team books.

It's a shame they couldn't keep the art teams consistent - switching from Alan Davis to Keiron Dwyer is a rough patch to smooth over, but then throw on a few fill-in folks, and it gets very dodgy very quickly. Not so sold on the long-running Triune Understanding / Triathalon thing (and I don't think the writers that follow/ed are or will be, either), but so be it.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

haha, the Lady Liberators. sadly I remember tat took place in Rutland Vermont, for some reason it popped up in a number of differsnt storylines - can only assume someone came from there

http://www.plexico.net/avengers/covers/avg083.jpg

H (Heruy), Thursday, 7 October 2004 05:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Given that Roy & Danni Thomas (the writer) (and his wife) make a cameo, I imagine they're the ones w/ the connection.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
Is New Anvengers any good? That Sentry dude looks like a terrible character, I hate anyone who gets described as 'most powerful'.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

So far it's good -- jury's still out on the Sentry as far as I'm concerned, because his miniseries was pretty bad, and he hasn't really shown up anywhere else (except briefly and enigmatically in New Avengers).

I have no clue why Bendis is using the Sentry, which is interesting -- in other respects, the chemistry of the team is what makes it work so well. Jessica Drew, Luke Cage, and Spidey just work well in the same book -- at least the way Bendis writes them.

On the plus side, the Sentry had next to no real personality in his miniseries, so Bendis is free to portray him in all sorts of ways. I think the Sentry arc starts in #7 or so -- if nothing else, then, the first six are worth getting.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm about halfway through the "Once An Invader" trade. Geez, Scott Kollins's art really depends on his inkers, huh?
Anyway, this must be pretty immediately pre-Disassemble? Despite my newfound love for Captain America, I can't muster much interest in this story. Except for the naked Human Torchette.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

OMG Huk are you reading something written by CHUCK AUSTEN? RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

OH GOD THE DIALOGUE IS AWFUL!
I'll find some examples when I get home.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'll refrain from swearing in the following statement, as if I don't, then I'll just cuss up a storm: there is absolutely NO *** REASON AT ALL to read any of the *** garbage that directly preceeded Bendis' assumption of the writerly duties on this book. And when I call what directly preceeded Bendis's run on the Avengers "*** garbage", I am being *** kind. And I'm including the Avengers work of yr boy Geoff Johns, as his run on the book is pock-marked by arc-padding and really *** boring *** stuff and really *** lame *** supposedly important *** stuff. And Hank Pym going down on (and into) The Wasp.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And Hank Pym going down on (and into) The Wasp.
I remember seeing that page on the net. Probably on ILE in those crazy pre-ILC days.
FYI: The Avengers trade is from the library. I certainly didn't buy it.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I was actually defending that move when it first happened - "like, wow, sex, whatever; comic books aren't for kids anymore you betcha!" - but now (that I'm older) I'm just like "HUH?" Show the happy estranged couple getting their groove on, sure, but save the honeyed-up nude Pymdo for Marvel After Hours.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

At the time, I think my feeling was that if it was a signal of something -- you know, the way the opening sequence of Barbarella pretty much lets you know right away if you're in the right theater or not -- then okay, fine. A weird choice, but whatever.

In retrospect, it was a weird choice AND gratuitous and if you're going for gratuitous fan service, why single out the macro/microphiles? Bring on Hydro Man, show some love for the watersports.

If you go back far enough into the pre-Bendis age, though, Busiek's run had some good moments. Earlier than that, and you're pretty much reaching WAY back to Roger Stern and the Siege on the Mansion era.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I just realized this is an old enough thread that I probably said exactly all of that already.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I have the Avengers Disassembled trade, it's pretty unreadable, I regret getting it. Is it worth persisting with?

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'd skip straight to New Avengers -- Disassembled was like sweeps week, mostly shock value and shaking things up and whatnot. (Although the vaguely connected arcs in some of the solo books were better, especially in Thor's case.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"GO AWAY BLACKITY DARKFACE"

The Ghost of A Gift For Languages (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Search Micheline/Byrne. I believe The Yesterday Quest (Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in not-raised-by-kindly-gypsies SHOCKAH!) has been TPB'd, and makes a nice prologue to HOM.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
hahaha i was just thinking "i need somebody to explain me the avengers"

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 28 August 2005 04:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think the point of the Avengers lies somewhere in between what Tom said: they are the "heavy hitters" of the MU but they are different to the Justice League because it's more than just "everyone here has a comic book, we only get together to fight THE REALLY BIG MENACES!". I mean, there are always minor characters that get developed in the pages of the Avengers and that sense of history and "bonding" of the team is what makes them special.

And the whole point of the X-Men is to be a metaphor for hatred and bigotry. Replace "mutants" for "blacks" or "homosexuals" and the concept behind the X-Men makes a little more sense. Anyway, it's an idea that's become a little stale lately and I believe what Morrison tried to do with his run is address that problem, saying that there's no point in the X-Men being "hated and feared by humanity" because it's been going for so fucking long. So, he tried to take them to the next step in credibility and to make them do something proactive to try to change that situacion. Too bad everyone in Marvel ignored most of this and are trying (once again) to go back to Claremont.

Amadeo G. (Amadeo G.), Monday, 29 August 2005 18:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I loved that Defenders vs. Avengers thing when I was a kid, but I was on the side of the Defenders.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 29 August 2005 18:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That's because The Defenders would totally kick the Avengers ass (full nerd mode on!).

Amadeo (Amadeo G.), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

HULK SMASH forever & ever.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 13:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
it is true though WHAT are they avenging? the implication is a little more bad-ass than the execution no?

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 30 June 2006 03:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I still stand by my "hotpants" answer.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Friday, 30 June 2006 11:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Direct links to Tripod images don't work.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 30 June 2006 14:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I kind of read the Byrne West Coast run regularly when it came out, but later on assumed it was rubbish, until Kurt Busiek (and to a lesser degree, Dan Slott) started referencing it all over the place.

asdf, Friday, 30 June 2006 15:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y298/hukl/hulkdog.jpg

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 30 June 2006 15:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Silver age comics are so full of these annoying inconsistencies. There's an early issue of the FF, for example, where Reed finds organic matter in a metorite and exclaims excitedly "This proves there's life on other planets!" This after coming face to face with the Skrulls and the Watcher. Had he just forgotten?

Maybe he meant that it proved it to the general populace?

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Friday, 30 June 2006 15:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The whole army saw the skrulls as well.

Vic F (Vic Fluro), Friday, 30 June 2006 15:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The whole army saw the skrulls as well.

**Whole** Army?

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Friday, 30 June 2006 15:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

A large body of them.

Vic F (Vic Fluro), Friday, 30 June 2006 15:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

How many?

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Friday, 30 June 2006 15:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

7

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 30 June 2006 15:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Practically the entire Army. And at least one general.

Vic F (Vic Fluro), Friday, 30 June 2006 16:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

I just watched 7 episodes of the new Avengers animated series on Netflix last night... dude doing Tony Stark/Iron Man is straight-up impersonating RDJ from the movies, it's kind of hilarious.

The series itself is pretty good, although I think Wasp is a lot more annoying than I ever remember her being in the comics. It's also kind of funny seeing the power disparity between her and EVERYONE else.

CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Thursday, 11 August 2011 15:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Revengers."

I just slammed my desk into my head.

Matt M., Thursday, 11 August 2011 19:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

I noticed that Marvel has finally collected Roger Stern's whole Avengers run, and I've been reading this stuff for the first time since I was a kid, and it's quite good. I mean, Stern isn't the sort of person who does mind-blowing mystical/cosmic tales or anything, but his plotting and especially his characterization is very solid: each character has a voice of his/her own, and there's a good balance between thrills and more quiet personal moments.

I've been trying to read some older Avengers stuff too, like Thomas and Englehart, but I'm always distracted by the casual sexism and the uneven plotting. Like, Englehart's celebrated "Celestial Madonna" arc is all about making a strong, independent female character accept the fact that her whole life has been manipulated so she could give to birth to a cosmic Messiah, or something (it's never really explained what the child is supposed to be). So basically she's reduced to a baby machine, and this is presented as a happy ending! And what should be the climax of the story involves two issues which mostly consist of a talking stick doing a monologue that retcons some earlier Avengers stories. I can't for the life of me understand why this considered a classic arc?

I also read Thomas' "Kree-Skrull War", another acclaimed arc, and while it was somewhat better than Celestial Madonna, it was really disappointing that even though the eponymous war is mentioned several times, we actually get to see very little of it, mostly in the final issue, and instead we're dealt with boring stuff like the Avengers devolving into cavemen. Plus the whole solution to the story was a total deus ex machina! I guess it at least had kinda interesting metafictional angle to it, but it still felt like a cop-out, especially since (as far I know) nothing was done with the massive revelation about Rick Jones until Kurt Busiek brought that subplot back in "Avengers Forever", 25 years later!

So yeah, I was wondering, are there are some Avengers stories from the 70s that would be both thrilling and would not be blatantly sexist? I'd love to read some more pre-Stern stuff, but the stories I've tried so far are just too much "of their era", which the Stern stories aren't.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 07:45 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I've been picking up a lot of the early Stern issues at the comic shop. They're pretty great: love Starfox and Captain Marvel/Monica Rambeau. As Tuomas pointed out, Stern doesn't really go for psychedelic/cosmic broke but he's fantastic with characterization, and he's good at building up event storylines organically from Marvel continuity...

sushi and the banh mis (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 3 December 2016 06:59 (two years ago) Permalink


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