The Valiant Thread

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I bought all the issues of the Unity crossover, good grief, that's 30 quid or so I'll never see again.

The rise and fall of Valiant - what did it all mean? Not the stories so much, but did the attempt to crack open the Big Two/Three have any lasting impact on the industry?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

In context, this was post-Image, wasn't it? It must've seemed like any chancer with Barry Windsor-Smith in his pocket could print money.

Or was it before? Time is hazy, much as it was in that famed conflict of Gold Key characters.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sort throught the tangled threads of time: No Valiant -> No Milestone -> No Xombi -> John Rozum dies penniless -> No Midnight Mass. -> Baby Jesus cries.

There may be other threads in there. That's why they're called threadS.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Baby Jesus would not cry if there was no Midnight Mass., because Baby Jesus does not like dull comics.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Anyway, I thought this was going to be about the British war comic "Valiant".

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I thought it was going to be about inexplicably long-running newspaper comic strip Prince Valiant.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Baby Jesus doesn't like YOUR FACE, son.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 20 August 2004 08:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hey! Gary Gianni draws PRINCE VALIANT now. It's ace!

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Friday, 20 August 2004 17:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Marvel Comics can't shoulder all the blame. The rise of Valiant was, at least partially, responsible for the mid 90s comics bubble burst. I remember walking into a store and seeing Harbinger #1 selling for $125 about 8 months after it came out. And then maybe two years later: a pile of issues of the Valiant titles in the 2/$1 bin. Most of the 'original' stuff was really, really terrible -- though the way they brought Magnus: Robot Fighter stayed true to the roots of the character.

Lasting benefits: directly contributed to the rise of small-press publishers doing traditional comics (i.e. not Dave Sim/Jeff Smith/Donna Barr types). Also, the first Turok: Dinosaur Hunter game was *awesome*.

ng, Thursday, 26 August 2004 13:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I always thought SOLAR was a missed opportunity. Here is the superhero with THE POWER OF GOD! And he looks really creepy and has the creepy name of DOCTOR SOLAR. What'll we do with him??....

....another 'realistic' comic, please, Jim.

Vic Fluro, Thursday, 26 August 2004 22:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

BTW, Dark Horse is collecting the Gold key Solar comics (& Magnus, too, I think) in hardcovers - first collection is out in December. Cool cover, too.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 August 2004 22:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 15:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Turok & Ninjak. Hologram & chromium. ONE POINT SEVEN MILLION! F*cking speculators.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 15:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Amazing times.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 15:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I blame _Wizard_. And, actually, I believe the Turok cover was actually chromium, too - however, unlike full-on wraparound chromium on the Ninjak cover (& X-O Manowar #0) (both drawn by Joe Quesada - COINCIDENCE!), the Turok cover featured a slab of chromium glued to a cardboard cover. No holograms. That was Marvel's bag. & I don't know why I included Ninjak up there, since Ninjak #1 sold 1/5th the amount of Turok.

One more time - Ninjak. Ninjak.

X-Men #1 sold SEVEN MILLION COPIES. I'll never be able to wrap my head around that.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 15:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I would kill (or even chake) to find SOME PLACE that had any Quantum & Woody books. (Yeah, this is Acclaim, but it's the same goshdarn thing.)

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

XO Manowar was so LAME

charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 12 March 2005 01:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...
four months pass...

Anyone reading the new comics? I never read the original runs -- I was out of comics when they were happening -- but these are surprisingly good. Might even argue that Archer and Armstrong is one of the best 4 or 5 hero books at the moment.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 27 November 2012 21:19 (six years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

i'm going to post old valiant covers i like
start with

brimstead, Saturday, 24 August 2013 04:52 (five years ago) Permalink

brimstead, Saturday, 24 August 2013 04:57 (five years ago) Permalink

brimstead, Saturday, 24 August 2013 05:00 (five years ago) Permalink

eternal warrior cover divorced from title/logo/etc

brimstead, Saturday, 24 August 2013 05:04 (five years ago) Permalink

hate whatever cobblers this is about obscuring the real Valiant

the arpeggio as will and idea (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 24 August 2013 10:54 (five years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

i just purchased the collected edition of the 1997 garth ennis shadowman run as well as the first trade of the new x-o manowar run. anything else good in nu-valiant?

even as a tween i could tell their shit was d-list but there was a noble component to their bottom feeding. creators less trashy in their anonymity than their glam image counterparts. even the logo is drab, looks like 1960s insurance company letterhead as opposed to the forever up-thrusting image phallus. hardworking, respectable garbage comics.

adam, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 17:29 (two years ago) Permalink

Thought the revive was going to be about this story - definite suspicions of ballot stuffing by Nu-Valiant associates:

Still, I'm sure that X-O MANOWAR #38 is a worthy successor to Kurtzman's Mad in the humour comics game

Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 7 July 2016 12:32 (two years ago) Permalink

The Harveys have been stuffed by individual companies almost every year this century, Archie more than once (visible this year too). Kim Thompson used to lobby people to fill out ballots to counteract the extreme gameability of the process, but nobody has taken up his mantle (as in so many etc). Tbf, nobody takes them seriously as a result of this, so can't be bothered, either...

glandular lansbury (sic), Thursday, 7 July 2016 13:26 (two years ago) Permalink

jeez they could have been a little less obvious

mh, Thursday, 7 July 2016 14:38 (two years ago) Permalink

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