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I was just popping over here to link something to the most recent mention of Vertigo, and decided that even though the ILC thread drift isn't a bad thing, this may as well be its own thread -- not this article specifically, but you know, Vertigo lately, upcoming Vertigo stuff, what have you.

First off: Swamp Thing has a new writer, Josh Dysart of Violent Messiahs. Like I mentioned recently: I still don't know what to think of the new Swamp Thing, simply because it isn't its own story yet, it's a wrap-up of previous stories. I'm enjoying it, for what it is.

Second: the top paragraph there also mentions that Bruce Jones is going to do "a Vertigo take on Deadman." Bruce Jones is the guy writing Hulk, right? (Or he was recently.) I'm cool with that. Hulk moved too slowly for me to read much of it, but I'll pick up the TPBs at some point.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 23 July 2004 00:34 (fifteen years ago) link

I really liked the new Swamp Thing up until Diggle's last issue, which was a little bit too tied-up-with-a-bow-back-to-status-quo. Then again, I never really read ST the first time around, so whatever.

Other current Vertigo I love:

Y, of course, Fables, of course, Lucifer (which I at first dismissed as cashing on the Gaiman cow, then tried to get into, failed, and then really got into ten issues later...I've been onboard for a good six issues or so now), and probably some things I'm forgetting. Is Human Target on Vertigo? They really seem pretty solid these days, despite the token goth-kid comics like that new witch series.

I really want to like Hellblazer, since I like John Constantine and I like Mike Carey on Lucifer, but it's one of the very few comics that the art just turned me the hell off of (in the last arc). The writing didn't help. Maybe the other stuff is better.

NB I'm drunk.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 23 July 2004 05:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Loved the Andy Diggle ST run, although I didn't massively get on with the art. Been reading Lucifer for about a year... can't really work out why I do though. Sometimes I like an issue, but a lot of the time I find myself thinking it'll be better next month. I really haven't liked Hellblazer since Brian Azarello's run started but have to still buy it for the g/f.

Y has overplayed the limited hand it had, I think, and is starting to recycle plots - or maybe it just seems that way. Also, the last Fables arc has done nothing for me.

The two best ongoing Vertigo titles at the moment though are certainly Human Target and The Losers.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:12 (fifteen years ago) link

I just finished the second Y trade, and I'm thinking that if I was reading it issue-by-issue, month-by-month, I probably would have stopped during that arc. Or at least put it on notice.

What's Constantine been up to for the last 150 issues? Still narrowly avoiding meaningful relationships and eternal damnation? Did that Vampire King from #50 ever turn up again? Is his niece all grown up now, what was her name, Gemma?

Huck, Friday, 23 July 2004 13:59 (fifteen years ago) link

A bit more on Vertigo's upcoming plans.

Lucifer and Fables are certainly tops for me -- sometimes in that order, sometimes the other way around. I haven't been all that tempted to pick up Hellblazer again, though, despite Carey ... I haven't read the title since Ennis was writing it, except for an issue here and there, and I don't know if I've lost my interest in Constantine per se (I always thought he was a better supporting character) or just my investment in the title.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:02 (fifteen years ago) link

oh no, Please don't tell me that Y does not live up to its promise, oh no!

I'm loving Fables, and I think I may actually go buy individual issues this weekend, which I never do.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Fables just keeps getting better as far as I'm concerned.

Y is certainly taking its sweet time, but I keep thinking that something big has got to actually happen soon (or later). It's still pleasant enough when nothing is happening, and I love the art. It reminds me of Steve Dillon on Preacher, very clean, lots of space.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes, the use of space in Y is great, and I was very impressed by the beauty of "It's a Bird." So stunning, and quieter than the other Vertigo titles I've read.

I have a crush on Bigby Wolf.

Vermont Girl, please tell me I'm not alone.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Re: Y

I just get a little frustrated when they introduce this wicked idea and put things in motion that will supposedly lead to some sort of explanation or revelation, but then they sort of go, "okay, now that we have you hooked on the BIG MYSTERY, we're gonna take a bunch of sideroads."
I mean, I guess they can't just reveal everything or that would be the end, or the beginning of Vertigo-Kamandi or something.

Huck, Friday, 23 July 2004 15:00 (fifteen years ago) link

It sort of seems like it's meant to be an epic, but other than structurally, it's just ... not. I'm not sure yet that's a bad thing -- by the same token, there's an arc and a half I haven't read, and I don't feel like I'm missing any story.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:29 (fifteen years ago) link

One of the things that struck me as odd, unsettling or whatever, was in the Cycles trade, where the leader of the Daughters of the Amazon is about shoot Y in the head and she says "Alas, poor Yorick..."
and then Y gets all in a huff, "Like I haven't heard that a million times before!"
And I'm like, but a writer chose that name for you. That always gets my nads in a knot, when some really farfetched coincidence happens in a fiction and then some character comments on it and, unless it's done really expertly, I just go nuts.
Like say there's a science fiction story where somebody named Marx becomes a Donald Trump-like tycoon and then someone says "that's trippy that a dude named Marx would be such an uber-capitalist, what are the odds?"
THE ODDS ARE ZERO, because it's a controlled environment you dick! It was DESIGNED to be ironic, therefore it's not ironic at all!!! I'm gonna tear this fucking book apart at the spine!

Okay, I don't get THAT emotional about it, but it irks me.

Huck, Friday, 23 July 2004 15:37 (fifteen years ago) link

... is it really designed to be ironic, though? I don't see a real connection between Shakespeare's Yorick and The Last Man On Earth. I mean, Yorick makes a point of mentioning that both he and his sister have dorky names because of their parents. I think the closest thing to the irony is the Y.

Wouldn't it be much, much more artificial if you had a guy named Yorick running around and no one ever commented on it?

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 23 July 2004 16:16 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
SEEKERS: INTO THE MYSTERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:34 (fifteen years ago) link

How did I miss this thread when it first aired? Yes, I have a crushy crush on Bigby. He's just such a... manimal.

Vertigo can do no wrong in my eyes because it birthed the Sandman. Do you think it would be fair to say that Vertigo is the house that Sandman built?

I get lots of Vertigo titles: Y, Fables, The Witching (and I'm trying to ignore the "They really seem pretty solid these days, despite the token goth-kid comics like that new witch series." comment that Jordan made...), We3, the new Books of Magick and...

I think that's it.

What does "SEEKERS: INTO THE MYSTERY" refer to? I don't get it... What was it about?

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:05 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.comicskins.com/csnnews/comfychair/09_29_2003/Seekers.jpg

It was about hippie bullshit.

Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link

It was an awful, awful, mid-90s Vertigo series. I can't remember the plot. I can't remember if it had a plot. I can't remember if it PRETENDED to have a plot.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.lightworks.com/MonthlyAspectarian/1997/September/0997-07.html

Several more blasts from the past.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Hippie is my favorite kind of bullshit.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:29 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm reading the Fables: Animal Farm RIGHT NOW! (not really right now, as I'm at work, but y'know)

Huk-L, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:29 (fifteen years ago) link

and I'm trying to ignore the "They really seem pretty solid these days, despite the token goth-kid comics like that new witch series." comment that Jordan made...),

Keep in mind it's not like I've actually read it or anything. :>

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link

"The last two years of the book introduced a writer new to comics yet familiar to fans of utter shit"

Vermont Girl OTM about Sandman's place. It's been directly responsible for a boggling number of titles as well: Lucifer, The Dreaming, two Thessaliad series, the Mervin one-shot, the Corinthian miniseries, The Witching, the Prez one-shot and two (three?) gallerys. Add in two series of The Books of Magic, The Trenchcoat Brigade and Black Orchid to assess the lengths Karen Berger will go to in order to keep making money out of suckers the breadth and depth of his contribution to adult edgy comics.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:39 (fifteen years ago) link

At least Lucifer and the last Thessaly series are good, and I feel comfortable ignoring most of the rest (especially if they keep Vertigo going and able to release stuff like Seaguy and We3).

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link

God, they inserted part of The Witching into Fables #twentysomething and it was awful. The Craft came out in 1996, okay? But I did get a cool Sky Captain poster. Sorry Vermont Girl, but oh yes...manimal!

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I remember the colour on Vertigo as being absolutely grotesque. I picked up a bulk pack of SCARAB at a convention for two quid or some similarly tiny amount, and the whole thing was a garbled mess, with the writing and art ('difficult' stuff from John Smith) subsumed completed in a wash of sludgey browns and dark blues that washed over the whole page. Meanwhile the superfolk still had the full gamut of colours and had them all staying inside the lines, but I guess they weren't trying to be 'art'.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Ironically, the colouring on Sandman was pretty shocking up until around the point Vertigo was established.

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:03 (fifteen years ago) link

I think everyone got a Sky Captain poster. Jeeze, I now have 2-5 and am subsequently craving 1 and 6 strictly because I don't have them.

Yes, okay, The Craft is one of those movies I can watch over and over again, but there are some pretty cool parts in the most recent Witching (#3?). The story still feels a little unfocused but once the three get together, I think some cool shit might go down.

I don't know, the three and the maiden, mother and crone thing will never go out of style for me. I loved it in Sandman and, [I'm revealing an embarrassing secret here, which leaves me open to ridicule and therefore vulnerable, so don't be too mean] a total cheese romance trilogy. Agghh! I'm so embarrassed!

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link

The Witching might be an awful book, but those Tara McPherson covers are lurvely. Not lurvely enough to buy the awful book for, but lurvely all the same.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, I've read those too VG (Secret Shame Revealed!)

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh wait, I read the Ireland Fairie Folk ones. My mistake.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Just to post the link: http://www.taramcpherson.com/

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:07 (fifteen years ago) link

This poster makes me giddy.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link

David just made my day.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Wow, I didn't even realize I was a Tara McPherson fan. I loved her Thessaly covers and Neil Gaiman recently posted her "New York is Book Country" poster on his Journal.

[And thanks for the fake-out Jocelyn. I read your first comment and literally went, "Whew! Tee hee. I guess I'm not the only-" and then your next comment, "- WHAT?! Arrrggggh..." It's all good, though. It's all good... I mean, hah, I was just kidding about all witch stuff, hah ha... ha.]

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Tara McPherson was at Comic Con and I didn't see her!!! Even though I got her Sleater-Kinney poster there.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link

O ho VG, but they do exist! I used to read Nora Roberts books when I worked the late night library shift in college. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0515128546/ref=pd_rhf_f_1/103-6773884-1871842?v=glance&s=books&no=*&st=*
On topic-Wow that Tara McPherson being attacked by the Kit-Kat clock cover is Great!

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link

never... read it... must. not. give. in. ... but faeries are... so fucking cute... faeries and romance... ... Aghhh! I have to get it now! The whole Irish Trilogy!! Curse you Jocelyyyyyynnnn!!!

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...
HI DERE! Anyway, here's my totally pfft scorecard re: nu-Vertigo! Sit on it! Also, if any DC upper management is reading: shut up about Vertigo being the HBO of comics!

DMZ: veddy nice grounded post-apocalyptic schmear, tho it's been dragging of late.
THE EXTERMINATORS: nice art by Tony Moore, but the "edgy" story turned me off after 6 issues.
LOVELESS: naked pretentious cowboy balls & snatch.
TESTAMENT: This Is The Bible (Or Whatever). This Is Real Life Mirroring The Bible (Or Whatever). This Is The 15th Straight Issue Of This. This Is Me Not Reading This Anymore.
CROSSING MIDNIGHT: intriguing mystical horror Japanese schmear; art might not be up to snuff for some, but Mike Carey is almost always swell.
SCALPED: dunno
ARMY @ LOVE: dunno
OTHER NEWISH TITLES I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THEY EXIST: dunno

David R., Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:14 (twelve years ago) link

THE EXTERMINATORS: nice art by Tony Moore, but the "edgy" story turned me off after 6 issues.

there's nothing edgy about cockroaches. This is a humour title.

DMZ: veddy nice grounded post-apocalyptic schmear, tho it's been dragging of late.

I would like to like this, but whenever I buy an issue it seems somewhat dull.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

TRDV, the issues of The Exterminators I read suggest otherwise. It was aiming more for a "black comedy" drama angle (somewhat like Six Feet Under or The Sopranos, I guess?), but it was having trouble balancing the funny w/ the serious, and seemed at once too ridiculous & not ridiculous enough. If that makes any sense.

David R., Wednesday, 2 May 2007 17:25 (twelve years ago) link

The Other Side was a bit heavy on the "this again?" Vietnam-isms, but mostly was a well-written little psychological war thing. Showing the VC POV was a nice touch, even if I could never let myself believe that the writer guy could even BEGIN to understand what that POV must've actually been like. And of course Stewart's art was fantastic. This was the first Vertigo mini-series I've read since Sebastian O! Well, if you ignore the trades of Morrison's '04 three-peat.

Garrett Martin, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

Did American Virgin or whatever get canned?

Jordan, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

Has Vertigo printed an ongoing that's better than Y, ever?

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

(Doom Patrol doesn't count)

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

I forgot about AMERICAN VIRGIN: really liked the Josh Middleton covers; have not even cracked open one issue. & it's still going. I think you'd have to maim Karen Berger (or do something bad to Jesus) to get yr Vertigo title cancelled.

David R., Wednesday, 2 May 2007 20:06 (twelve years ago) link

I like Human Target, Fables, and the Invisibles as much or more than Y.

Jordan, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 21:21 (twelve years ago) link

forgot about them. i must give invisibles a proper go someday

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 21:25 (twelve years ago) link

HUMAN TARGET, when it was on, was definitely fantastic. Also, THE LOSERS had its moments (especially near the start of the series).

David R., Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:34 (twelve years ago) link

Best current Vertigo ongoing, Y notwithstanding: DMZ, which reads great in trades.

American Virgin is a very interesting comic--I still can't decide if I like it or not, but it's definitely some new territory. As we've been discussing in the other thread, Army@Love is a pretty compelling mess.

Actively dislike: Testament, The Exterminators, Deadman, Scalped, Loveless; the first two have much better intentions than the last three, it feels like. Always forget that Hellblazer and 100 Bullets are still running. Fables/Jack of Fables = just fine, thanks.

I have read the first few issues of Crossing Midnight and still can't tell what it's about, but I'm willing to keep going.

Best ever Vertigo ongoings, per me: The Invisibles, Doom Patrol, Preacher. And yeah, I really like Sandman too.

Douglas, Thursday, 3 May 2007 07:26 (twelve years ago) link

(Doom Patrol doesn't count)

because it was COMPLETELY SHIT!

energy flash gordon, Thursday, 3 May 2007 11:53 (twelve years ago) link

ace Vertigo ongoings: Invisibles, Sandman, Sandman Mystery Theatre, Preacher. Fables v. good at what it does. Flinch strolled the hit-or-shit line reasonably as I recall. these might be the only good ones I have ever read.

energy flash gordon, Thursday, 3 May 2007 11:58 (twelve years ago) link

bg, the material largely and surprisingly holds up (I reread everything from Moore's ST through Lucifer about ten years back) even if some of it has the color range of a rusted rain barrel full of mud

oh yeah, i have a lot of fondness for a lot of vertigo stuff (and precursors like morrison's animal man, which is still maybe my favourite-ever run out of everything he's ever done) but damn i also have a lot of teenage memories of squinting at brown-and-purple-smeared pages trying to work out wtf is going on

The recolourings are worse though, esp Sandman

90s computerised mud >> 00s computerised recolouring

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 25 May 2018 16:43 (one year ago) link

has anything from Vertigo ever been recoloured? even Sandman wasn't afaik

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 17:28 (one year ago) link

(went to Vertigo circa #37 iirc)

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 17:29 (one year ago) link

checked: #47.

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 17:31 (one year ago) link

I know at the very least that Flex Mentallo was controversially and fairly radically recolored for the collected edition.

oh ya

not muddy brown-&-purple to begin with though

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 18:05 (one year ago) link

Sandman was recolored for the massive omnibus versions.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 18:56 (one year ago) link

I've been tempted to re-read Shade the Changing Man but idk

I really soured on Sandman on my last re-reading (some thoughts here: Neil Gaiman - S/D)

Swamp Thing is still all-time great of course. That Bissette/Totleben artwork is some of the greatest comics art ever imo, I never get tired of looking at it.

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 May 2018 18:59 (one year ago) link

I don't know that Shade held up as well on a reread but there are bits that are still fantastic. It was probably my favorite of the bunch by the time Vertigo proper was underway.

Books of Magic is a sleeper. I love the majority of that first series. The initial Gaiman miniseries is also good.

yeah the initial Books of Magic miniseries is p good

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 May 2018 19:15 (one year ago) link

Sandman was recolored for the massive omnibus versions.

the question was about Vertigo comics

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 19:50 (one year ago) link

Gaiman's Sandman wasn't Vertigo?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 19:59 (one year ago) link

sic, you're slipping, man.

this is a v upsetting development

sic are u okay

Gaiman's Sandman wasn't Vertigo?

bg, the material largely and surprisingly holds up (I reread everything from Moore's ST through Lucifer about ten years back) even if some of it has the color range of a rusted rain barrel full of mud.

― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Friday, May 25, 2018 10:15 PM (yesterday)

oh yeah, i have a lot of fondness for a lot of vertigo stuff (and precursors like morrison's animal man, which is still maybe my favourite-ever run out of everything he's ever done) but damn i also have a lot of teenage memories of squinting at brown-and-purple-smeared pages trying to work out wtf is going on

― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Friday, May 25, 2018 10:26 PM (yesterday)

The recolourings are worse though, esp Sandman

90s computerised mud >> 00s computerised recolouring

― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, May 26, 2018 2:43 AM (three hours ago)

has anything from Vertigo ever been recoloured? even Sandman wasn't afaik

...

(went to Vertigo circa #37 iirc)

...

checked: #47.

― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Saturday, May 26, 2018 3:31 AM (two hours ago)

I know at the very least that Flex Mentallo was controversially and fairly radically recolored for the collected edition.

― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Saturday, May 26, 2018 3:32 AM (two hours ago)

oh ya

not muddy brown-&-purple to begin with though

― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Saturday, May 26, 2018 4:05 AM (two hours ago)

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 20:11 (one year ago) link

It was the Sandman Absoloute Editions that were recolored.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 20:16 (one year ago) link

please to tell me which issues of Sandman #1 through #18 were published by Vertigo in the 1990s with a muddy brown-and-purple colour palette, and were also somehow numbered somewhere between #47 and #75

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 20:36 (one year ago) link

Dunno about any of that I'm just saying which Sandman books were recolored.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 20:55 (one year ago) link

I'll give you eighteen guesses at which issues of Sandman were recoloured for the "absolute" editions

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:08 (one year ago) link

Whew, okay, didn't realize you were just kicking it up into uber-pedant mode, don't scare us like that bruh.

Mods, plz change thread title to 'The Vertigo (and properties which one might consider grandfathered into the Vertigo imprint, were one a dullard) Thread'

The colour pallette under discussion is specifically a Vertigo thing - though derived from pre-Vertigo Hellblazer, neither Sandman nor Doom Patrol nor Swamp Thing nor Shade The Changing Man nor Animal Man (under Morrison or Milligan or Truog) nor Black Orchid nor Watchmen nor Prez The Teenage President used it.

Plenty of '90s Vertigo that did use it could toootally benefit from a recolouring though, which is why I was asking!

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:52 (one year ago) link

or 12-issue collections of Sandman Mystery Theatre printed in b&w, with light half-toning if needed for clarity

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:52 (one year ago) link

Would buy except that I wouldn't allow myself to get burned by a third SMT reprint project that distractedly wanders off before it's finished what it set out to do (the most recent having ended with a paltry two volumes).

I had also totally forgotten that Sandman wasn't always a Vertigo comic, so good to be reminded/corrected.

My fave Vertigo comics remain two mini-series written by Pete Milligan at the top of his game - The Extremist, with Ted McKeever, and Enigma, with Duncan Fegredo.

Ward Fowler, Saturday, 26 May 2018 07:43 (one year ago) link

Enigma was one of the best things to come out of Vertigo.

(In before the boffins: Enigma was actually intended to be part of Disney's Touchmark mature readers imprint along with several other titles that ultimately formed the foundation of Vertigo proper after Disney got cold feet.)

I always liked Sebastian O, from Grant Morrison’s “cheeky young man” phase, although it might have benefited from being half or twice the length.

I’ve started Enigma multiple times in my life and never finished it. Will try again this weekend.

Has the gap between Seaguy 1&2 been longer than the gap between 2 & now? Not that I need to see them - the sequel was only ok.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 26 May 2018 23:32 (one year ago) link

Vertigo was practically the Sandman imprint rather than vice versa and I’m not gonna budge on it

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Saturday, 26 May 2018 23:45 (one year ago) link

There’s definitely an argument that one of the reasons the imprint existed was because of the widespread recognition and respect that the Sandman was receiving - but even so that’s some impressively crazy talk there.

What it definitely was, was the Karen Berger imprint - I was wondering if the thread revive was related to her new imprint, which I haven’t read anything in yet.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 27 May 2018 06:31 (one year ago) link

Extremist and Sebastian O were also both Touchmark books iirc

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 09:50 (one year ago) link

Also Tattered Banners, Mercy. Maybe also Tell Me, Dark?

I think the Shadow's Fall miniseries by John Nay Rieber was Touchmark as well.

Duane Barry, Sunday, 27 May 2018 13:34 (one year ago) link

Tell Me Dark was published by DC pre-Vertigo, Shadows Fall was Touchmark, as was Mercy. Tattered Banners seems unlikely as it was so much later, not even faintly gothy, and neither Giffen nor McMahon were in Touchmark's promo, but iirc it did lay fallow for years before being finished without Giffen.

Still, if there's one thing we can say, it's that what Vertigo definitely was, was the Art Young imprint.

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 19:34 (one year ago) link

Five years between Seaguy 1 and Seaguy 2, nine years and counting since Seaguy 2.

Never mind though: yeah, Seaguy 2 was weak, Seaguy 1 was the worst of that cluster of Morrison minis, and Morrison is sadly bad not good now.

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 19:36 (one year ago) link

Here's a good rundown on the Touchmark backstory, with scans of promo material: https://www.cbr.com/comic-book-legends-revealed-321/

I think I mistakenly included Tattered Banners because it was announced very early, alongside many of the initial Vertigo titles, but as you mention wasn't released until many years later.

Tell Me Dark was published by DC pre-Vertigo

also not Vertigo:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/14/148518/2883281-better_mr_e_1_cover.jpg

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 23:01 (one year ago) link

K.w. jeter?!

Οὖτις, Sunday, 27 May 2018 23:07 (one year ago) link

Speaking of proto-Vertigo mature readers titles, I just remembered that a collection of Del Close and John Ostrander's Wasteland was hinted at a while back but has apparently disappeared into the ether. That's a bummer.

would for sure be a lesser reading experience in collection

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 23:52 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

A few of these are now being published by Dover, of all people, who have also rescued some other lovely, earlier comics works from neglect: http://store.doverpublications.com/by-subject-graphic-novels-and-comics-graphic-novels.html

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 28 June 2018 00:55 (one year ago) link

Oh sweet, thanks for the tip.

I have that Puma Blues collection. Or a Puma Blues collection. If it's Dover, I never noticed.

A Frankenstein + A Dracula + A Mummy That's Been Werewolfed (Old Lunch), Thursday, 28 June 2018 01:20 (one year ago) link

If it's the 2015 one with the new ending, that's the Dover one.

There's only one Vertigo book in that lineup, really - Mercy was a Touchmark refugee, but probably came along with the Seekers rights when they were dealing with deMatteis.

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Thursday, 28 June 2018 02:00 (one year ago) link

Yeah, that's the Puma Blues edition I have. It's a nice big hardcover, which is not what I generally associate with Dover.

Delano's World Without End was a proto-Vertigo DC mature readers title.

A Frankenstein + A Dracula + A Mummy That's Been Werewolfed (Old Lunch), Thursday, 28 June 2018 10:27 (one year ago) link

The Charyn/Boucq graphic novels are all essential, esp The Magician's Wife - just a shame the page size is smaller than on the original Catalan translations.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 28 June 2018 10:31 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

It ain't been what it once was for many a moon, but still...RIP(?) Vertigo.

Fucken DC, man...

Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 23:04 (six months ago) link

If true, it feels inevitable, but still sad.

And that 25th Anniversary celebration book didn't even materialise!

Duane Barry, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 01:06 (six months ago) link

My first reaction was, BUT... SEAGUY 3!!

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 19:45 (six months ago) link

I'm sure Morrison will be given carte blanche to do whatever he wants to do under the regular DC banner, but I'm not sure he'd want to given the changes they made to creator contracts a while back.

I mean, there's not much material change, as whatever little wisp of Vertigo currently remaining doesn't in any way resemble what it was back in the day, and since (as far as I can tell) the Vertigo-esque/Vertigo-lite stuff they've been publishing lately (eg Gerard Way's Young Animal stuff, the Sandman-verse titles) are unaffected. Even though the line has been a bloated drunken shut-in for most of its existence, I still mourn for the impact it had in its sleek and jaunty youth.

Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 19:54 (six months ago) link

I think the last Vertigo comic I bought before Seaguy was the third issue of The Invisibles. Inbetween was my “comics, they ARE just for kids” snooty teenage phase.

TBH, as a kid, Vertigo’s biggest draw was the extra boobs in SHADE.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:01 (six months ago) link


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