S/D X-Men Runs

Paging Doctor Casino:

http://daviduzumeri.tumblr.com/post/45140694544/any-chance-of-revisiting-the-uncanny-x-men-chats-with

hahah was that you? David sent me that earlier. I knowwwwww, I know!

It was me. :) I can't help it if I miss reading those posts.

I miss doing them! We talk about it every now and then, we're both game, it's just a matter of time - I'm in a PhD program now and it's just hard to commit to something like that. But I really did enjoy it. Maybe we could manage to do, like, one a month or something.

That would be awesome.

Yeah, please do some more!

would read. would read the fuck out of, in fact.

Yeah same here. Love those.

Y'all are the best. We're in talks. Maybe, just maybe!

Woohoo! Tentatively, of course.

start a kickstarter

yeah really I don't even like X-Men and found the blog v entertaining

help me out guys! a friend of mine was wearing this shirt, and i feel like i should've known instinctively which artist it was. my first guess was Art Adams, but not too sure. based on the team line-up it's '81-'83?
http://i.imgur.com/MUXNsmd.jpg

Art Adams, no doubt - he drew the covers for Classic X-Men, the reprint series of the Claremont era that begin in the mid-late 80s.

Is that Kitty between Nightcrawler and (I assume) Rogue?

yup!

As much as I love Art Adams, there's an unsettlingly Liefeldian quality to the character on the left there (Rachel?)

Liefeld is Art Adams without the whimsy or genius. I stopped reading comics before the Liefeld era but I can imagine his work would swiftly have cooled my teenaged ardour for Adams' work.

And yes, that's Rachel on the left in her early Phoenix outfit. Has to be 85-86ish because I don't think Rachel was on the team before then.

Yeah, I knew Adams was a big influence on Liefeld and I'd seen evidence of it in Liefeld's work before - this was the first time I'd seen it so clearly in Adams' own work. Rachel's mullet is spectacular!

When did Storm lose the 'mo?

Storm had a moustache?

Doesn't that image appear in the (Adams-drawn) X-Men/New Mutants crossover, where they travel to Asgard?

When did Storm lose the 'mo?

IIRC, it was just before the "Fall of the Mutants" storyline, when Storm and Forge were stranded on some alternate Earth with no humans for a year or so.

Damn, nice memory Tuomas - I was going to say it was done when Roma resurrected all the X-Men right after Fall of the Mutants, but you're dead on.

You rule, Tuomas! I'm guessing it was interior art, since I've been looking for the source on X-Men/NM covers to no avail.

Yup - just checked my singles, it's a variant of Adams's title page art from UXM Annual #9. Very possibly ginned up for the Classics reprint series, or maybe specifically for T-shirt use etc.

(which is the annual that concludes the Asgard two-parter, per Tuomas's memory)

Whoa, my memory is better than I thought, considering I haven't read that stuff in 15 years or so...

I think the Asgard story was also where Rachel first wore the "Phoenix" suit, which didn't get very good reactions from the other X-Men, since Cyclops didn't even know Rachel was the alternate earth daughter of him and Jean.

Yup, exactly right, as the X-Men are gearing up to go to Asgard. Using the magic space thunderbolts Cyclops saved from their encounter with Arkon the Space Barbarian a few annuals back, since apparently Cyclops is such a good pilot he can even steer a bag of thunderbolts. It's overall a pretty awesome storyline, pretty sure I've raved about it on this very thread actually but I just love the vibe of the whole thing. Sort of my perfect era of X-Men, just the right lineups for both of the teams and a real sense of family/camaraderie rolling through the high adventure and cheesecake scenes.

I feel like I remember reading somewhere that early in their careers, both Liefeld and McFarlane were regarded as Art Adams copycats. Ive never read it but Ive heard Leifeld's debt to Adans was v apparent in his work on Hawk and Dove...

Casino quit teasing us if you wont revive your blog :P

Right from the start, Liefeld and Jim Lee's artwork seemed to mash up Art Adams (especially all the fiddle-faddle rendering) and Michael Golden (cartoonish faces, rounded figures). The element of grotesque caricature in McFarlane's work makes him slightly harder to place, imho.

^Agree with that. McFarlane's general twistiness/disproportion seemed more deliberate and stylized in comparison

Casino quit teasing us if you wont revive your blog :P

;_; I have schoolwork to do! Negotiations continue. Might float it back in this summer on a trial basis, or something...

Aww I'm not trying to messyour life up, I forgot u were still doing school

Yup, exactly right, as the X-Men are gearing up to go to Asgard. Using the magic space thunderbolts Cyclops saved from their encounter with Arkon the Space Barbarian a few annuals back, since apparently Cyclops is such a good pilot he can even steer a bag of thunderbolts. It's overall a pretty awesome storyline, pretty sure I've raved about it on this very thread actually but I just love the vibe of the whole thing. Sort of my perfect era of X-Men, just the right lineups for both of the teams and a real sense of family/camaraderie rolling through the high adventure and cheesecake scenes.

Cosign this, totally! The Asgard storyline was actually the first X-Men story I read, and I was immediately hooked. There was some angst and drama, but the Bronze Age sense of thrill and adventure was still there too, things hadn't gotten overtly dark yet (Mutant Massacre came a couple years later, right?). I didn't get half of the references in those comics (like who was Rachel's mother, whose tragic past they kept alluding to?), but that was part of the charm - there was a past, a larger universe these characters lived in, and I wanted to find out more about it.

Mutant Massacre was when I started buying X-Men comic books and remains IMO one of the best crossover stories ever told.

Seconded, Dan. Still my favourite story, with all the bleakness, the darkness and the death.

Like, it blew my mind that with each issue, actual serious changes were occurring to this universe and this line-up. It helped that I was young and naive enough to think that these changes would be inviolable, but the story remains a visceral, dramatic slog (in a good way), or at least it was the last time I read it.

Angel has never been the same since Mutant Massacre, though; even when they sort of gave him his original wings back, he kept the Archangel persona, and now that's he's been blank-slated he still has the metal wings

Ah, right... I remember being crushed that Kitty couldn't unphase, and Colossus couldn't un-Colossus.

the miniseries where they fixed Kitty's phasing problem was really, really great IMO

of course the permaphase was brought back by Fraction after Whedon shot her into space in that giant bullet but we knew it wasn't going to be permanent

the miniseries where they fixed Kitty's phasing problem was really, really great IMO

I don't think I've ever read this, which one is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic_Four_vs._the_X-Men

Especially that part where Kitty contemplates killing herself

Mutant Massacre - i hated that, thought it was an ill thought out debacle (of course i bought all te books) but it was - as usually turns oust to be the case a stupid ending and it wa sthe start of my deep annoyance, verging on hate of the X-books as I (as ranted on other comic threads before) thought the variance between the rest pf the MU where these people interact with other heroes and so there should be some pushback on the hatred just went ridiculously over the line

i guess this is why i have Uncanny Avengers which, umm.., is not what i wanted (be careful what you wish for being the message again) and have no idea if just coz i have not been reading comics in a while that it seems bad or is bad

now also mebbe coz of age but i loved the mutants in asgard set across x-men and new mutants, karma lost her weight, sunball was happy for a change, hanging out with warriors three, magik turning tables on enchantess, felt like there was charcter development with just a fun bring these two worlds in the MU never meet together and have fun with it

i read that sean howe marvel marvel book last month -- totally great! made me want to read (or re-read) a bunch of things. I think as a kid the first thing I read was Fall of the Mutants, but as I went back into that mutant massacre stuff, that's the stuff that really sticks with me. the only thing i have left is a collection of those asgard stories -- pretty fun.

xp: conversely, I thought reading a multipart story where multiple heroes were seriously hurt/disfigured and the bad guys won, setting up a series of plot strands with major consequences on the books for the next several years (particularly on the X-Factor side) was amazing

yeah, I think that was why i loved it too dan

Mutant Massacre also didn't really have anything to do with public mutant-hate, right? It was basically a squad of mutant goons mass-murdering the Morlocks for reasons unexplained, and our heroes getting torn up as they try to intervene.

yup

It was a pretty shocking way to jump into collectordom