The Watchmen: Classic, duh!

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Yes.

Dr. Superman, you just made my day. I demand that Neal Adams create this series!

mh, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I'm a bit disappointed that Darwyn Cooke's involved in this. Hard to say if I'm interested or not. I'd honestly rather see a crazy, let-it-all-hang-out sequel.

But prequels are a perfect commentary on superhero comics right now, so prequels it is.

Matt M., Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

I finally caught the Watchman movie on cable tonight. I thought they really did a pretty good job considering how much is in the series to get out in a couple of hours.

It doesn't bother me a bit that DC is doing the Watchmen prequels. Personally, I am really surprised they waited this long. It's a great comic story but in the end - it's still a take on the Charlton characters. Whatever gets done doesn't change the original comics.

Why be disappointed in Darwyn Cooke? Ultimately Cooke's most known comics are doing The Spirit, JLA, adapting Richard Stark novels and working on the Batman cartoons. It's totally what he kind of does and probably the perfect guy to do this kind of thing as he will work on the details to get it right. Think about it. It's better than some jagwagon like Geoff Johns doing this and saying "I know what they SHOULD have done".

The Straczynski ones I could see being the screwed up, as he goes on some weird tangents in his comics (the latter half of his Spider-man run and that totally odd ball abandoned Superman run coming to mind). He also kind of already had a take on this one on his Squadron Supreme, as his take on Hyperion and all is pretty much out of the Watchmen playbook. Considering he is doing the comic with one of the Kubert brothers, it probably will end up getting finished by Phil Hester and Scott McDaniels about 5 months late anyway.

earlnash, Sunday, 12 February 2012 06:32 (twelve years ago) link

Think about it.

oh wow you have TOTALLY OPENED OUR EYES good point

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Sunday, 12 February 2012 11:23 (twelve years ago) link

http://watchmen2creatordarwyncooke.tumblr.com/

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Sunday, 12 February 2012 11:32 (twelve years ago) link

totally with earl here, Cooke is the right choice for the project. not that it had to be done in the first place, but still...

Nhex, Sunday, 12 February 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

yes, he's right that Watchmen sucks because of a lack of "hope," and that he can fix it by making a story with more hope set before the hopeless one

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Sunday, 12 February 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link

ugh

valleys of your mind (mh), Sunday, 12 February 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link

I too idly watched a fair chunk of the Watchmen movie on cable last night and it is absolutely horrible, a completely tone-deaf rendering of the material.

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 February 2012 03:15 (twelve years ago) link

that Tumblr's pretty scathing and all, but fuck it, maybe Cooke's kids need braces or something. I'm sure DC made it worth his while to eat his words, and, really, I don't see how his Parker adaptations any different in terms of servicing flawed nostalgia. I enjoyed the first one enough, but have passed on the rest (though someone let me know when he gets around to Slayground!).
This kind of fucking over (or at least complicity thereof) your forerunners is kind of part of the deal if you wanna work for DC or Marvel. If Morrison gets away with glossing over (to put it generously) DC's ongoing shit treatment of Siegel & Shuster, and now this weirdo Ghost Rider biz at Marvel...I dunno, so much of it isn't even IP management, it's Brand management.
And who knows, maybe DC will overexpose & overexploit Watchmen to the point where demand dries up, it falls out of print and rights revert back to Moore & Gibbons in time for the 30th anniversary. (unlikely, but best case scenario)

like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Monday, 13 February 2012 03:31 (twelve years ago) link

If the rights go back, it'll probably go out of print forever, if Moore's actions regarding 1963 are indicative of anything.

valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 13 February 2012 03:35 (twelve years ago) link

now this weirdo Ghost Rider biz at Marvel...

What's this referring to?

Tuomas, Monday, 13 February 2012 06:54 (twelve years ago) link

Almost everything Darwyn ever does is terrific, but I'm not sure he's the "right choice." He's a pessimist, not a nihilist like Moore. Watchmen is as much about the sensibility as the characters, and I can see him cracking the latter, but not the former.

Also, I've met him a coupla times, he's a great guy, and I woulda thought this sort of work was too hacky for him.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 13 February 2012 13:44 (twelve years ago) link

21 Notes on Watchmen 2, excellently thought by Tom Spurgeon

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link

a formative experience a tiny bit further in the past than Fantastic Four #1 one was when the Moore/Gibbons series hit the stands.

I was too young to read Watchmen when it came out, but holy shit is this a sobering fact

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 02:43 (twelve years ago) link

And by sobering, I mean "the comics audience lies so far to either side of this that it'll never really occur to most people how disconnected this is"

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 02:43 (twelve years ago) link

My own disappointment in Darwyn taking this job is that it's keeping from doing his own comics based on material that he's come up with himself. I've enjoyed the vast majority of his comics work, but really want to see him do his own thing. But then again, it's not any of my damn business which jobs he chooses to do or not do.

I thought the WATCHMEN flick tried to have its heart in the right place and made some horrible missteps along the way that made me really not like it at all. Less reverence would have served the film far better. Granted, 99% of the audience didn't read the source as I had, but every shot call out to the original material just jumped right the hell out and reminded me that it was a shadow cast by another work.

Matt M., Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

I thought the Watchmen movie sucked.

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link

the Watchmen movie thread on ILX was very ugh

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't seen all of his films, but the only thing of Zack Snyder's I've found tolerable was his Dawn of the Dead remake!

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link

But back to the point: that tumblr repeatedly posting the cover image of the Azzarello series is way, way on point.

The point of Watchmen was that it was a cynical take on the genre. I mean, there have been series already playing out such takes -- like The Authority and the entire history of post-Watchmen inward-looking comics. The best part of the story was that the characters were cutout archetypes. Once you flesh them out, they're no longer just cutouts and the original series has a different context and... ugh.

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link

I thought the WATCHMEN flick tried to have its heart in the right place and made some horrible missteps along the way that made me really not like it at all. Less reverence would have served the film far better.

That's just it -- it was a reverent adaption by someone who had somehow missed the whole point

Not only dermatologists hate her (James Morrison), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link

The comic's strength was in showing the sketchiness of the whole superhero endeavor, that each character had their own reasons for doing it and their own human strengths and failings. Treating the idea of their being superheros seriously. The point of the movie was LOOK MOM I MADE A SUPERHERO MOVIE THAT IS SERIOUS.

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link

His DAWN OF THE DEAD is really good until it becomes just a sorta regular action movie and then tries to lower the boom at the end. But man, that first 15 minutes are gripping.

Matt M., Wednesday, 15 February 2012 02:15 (twelve years ago) link

four years pass...

Been reading the Before Watchmen series, started out with what I presumed would be the best one, Cooke's Minutemen series. And it was shockingly good!
Question that's killing me though - who is the blonde-haired orphan ("Jacob"?) in the serial killer's photo (from the Comedian's final story) supposed to be? Adrian?

Nhex, Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:40 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

FIRST LOOK! #DoomsdayClock #1 has what I think is the coolest lenticular cover ever. Thank you, Dave! @1moreGaryFrank @bdanderson13 11/22/17 pic.twitter.com/UltJCZFI6G

— Geoff Johns (@geoffjohns) August 30, 2017

koogs, Monday, 4 September 2017 09:15 (seven years ago) link

thought for a minute that that was a heart at 12 o'clock. not sure if the actuality is better or lamer.

koogs, Monday, 4 September 2017 09:17 (seven years ago) link

i am powerfully unhyped for this

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 September 2017 09:58 (seven years ago) link

I wish I had Photoshop installed so I could turn those blots into Alan Moore's face, a middle finger, and three dollar signs.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 September 2017 14:02 (seven years ago) link

This is like when young people like shitty bands and it makes you feel old, except the young people are older men and it makes me feel completely neutral

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 4 September 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link

lol

Nhex, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 06:41 (seven years ago) link

eight months pass...

http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/watchmen-hbo-damon-lindelof-1202818921/

Those original twelve issues are our Old Testament. When the New Testament came along it did not erase what came before it. Creation. The Garden of Eden. Abraham and Isaac. The Flood. It all happened.

Sounds like he has the inevitably overwrought ’tude toward the subject matter...

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 00:58 (six years ago) link

Ah – I steer clear of ILE

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 01:19 (six years ago) link

Shivers at the phrase "true fans"

Uuuugggggghhhhhh

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 13:59 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

Rorschach may have spoken truth, but he wasn't a hero. Enter a new mystery in RORSCHACH by @TomKingTK and @jfornes74: https://t.co/OHw9cO3Qtt #DCBlackLabel pic.twitter.com/NkBQQQuaRs

— DC (@DCComics) July 15, 2020

FAC 179 (morrisp), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link

I saw the graphic comic. His mask is actually a woman’s dress.

— EvanBarracuda14 (@EvanBarracuda14) July 15, 2020

bat ain't Thad (sic), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:07 (four years ago) link

*mind blown*

koogs, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:15 (four years ago) link

i'll give it a chance because i still like Tom King

also DC Black Label has been retaining good cover designers

Nhex, Thursday, 16 July 2020 02:08 (four years ago) link

That 'Batman: Damned' book is really nice. I have it on my stack to read next.

earlnash, Thursday, 16 July 2020 04:56 (four years ago) link

hope Alan enjoys this. maybe after watching the tv series

Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 16 July 2020 18:24 (four years ago) link

in his flat in London

bat ain't Thad (sic), Thursday, 16 July 2020 20:10 (four years ago) link

Alan famously resides in his hometown of Northampton, sic. surprised at that from you

Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 16 July 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link

I base all my Alan Moore knowledge on the public statements of Zack Snyder, as fact-checked by entertainment media

bat ain't Thad (sic), Thursday, 16 July 2020 21:01 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Anyways, within a few decades people would still have forgotten the alien and the cold war would be back in effect, unless Ozymandias would keep bombarding the Earth again and again with new aliens.

just finished the tv show and saw this early thread comment !

mark e, Wednesday, 26 August 2020 18:57 (four years ago) link

ahh ... just re-read - its a quote from an AM interview.
that makes more sense now.

mark e, Wednesday, 26 August 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link

perhaps AM gave lindelof some pointers

Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link

Along with his blessing.

the secret of sucess is to know all rules ...and brake them (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 19:02 (four years ago) link


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