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Does anybody even read these anymore?

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 February 2022 00:26 (three months ago) link

I'm looking forward to issue #2 of Juni Ba's Monkey Meat this Wednesday.

peace, man, Monday, 7 February 2022 02:02 (three months ago) link

I've been working my way through Swamp Thing and I've finally gotten to the more recent stuff. How long does it usually take for issues to be collected into a trade? The first half of the most recent run has been collected but not the second half. Trying to figure out if I should be patient or just find the individual issues. There's a new limited thing called Green Hell that I'll pick up at some point.

Apart from that I'm picking up random Alan Moore things. Got a Captain Britain omnibus that I'm pretty excited about. I've also been picking up the stray Hellblazer tpb.

Cow_Art, Monday, 7 February 2022 03:30 (three months ago) link

Crisis Zone by Simon Hanselmann - Def the best thing done about the pandemic in any medium I've seen. Funny, disturbing and, in the end, quite touching.

Jim Starlin's Warlock - The page layouts in this are just off the charts. I've been watching a bunch of Cartoonist Kayfabe videos lately and I think they've helped me appreciate stuff that I might not vibe with 100% thematically more. Flipside is I've become much less indulgent of stuff where the craft's not there.

Currently reading Bobby London's 80's run on Popeye/Thimble Theater. Sometimes explicitly about capitalism and gentrification, sometimes loveably quaint with its 80's references, sometimes just kind of an unfunny legacy strip. Art always good tho. Also a reminder of all the weird characters in the Popeye universe, Alice the Goon and Eugene the Jeep!

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 7 February 2022 11:43 (three months ago) link

also spinning off last year's thread I'm in the market for some essential Rebellion releases breakdowns

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 7 February 2022 11:45 (three months ago) link

xxp

I thought the first issue of Green Hell was pretty fun! I haven't fully caught up with Ram V's Swamp Thing run - I get the issues in my pullbox but I've been too distracted by other things to read it. Will make a point to catch up before the series resumes in March (it was extended from a 10-issue run to 16).

In my experience, trades sometimes come out like 6 months after a comic comes out, although I feel like I've seen some shorter wait times recently.

peace, man, Monday, 7 February 2022 11:49 (three months ago) link

I've been holed up inside at home during all my free time and reading as many comics as I've ever been tbh

Probably buying too much Marvel as usual

Nhex, Monday, 7 February 2022 13:36 (three months ago) link

Is there a book of the Bobby London Popeye?

(I’ve not heard of one, but I just can’t read a chunk of comics on a screen these days)

bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Monday, 7 February 2022 16:33 (three months ago) link

Yes, on IDW. Dunno if it's in print tho, bought the first volume some years ago.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 7 February 2022 16:37 (three months ago) link

I wanna give the strongest possible recommendation (and equally strong trigger warning) for Glenn Head's memoir Chartwell Manor from Fanta. Astonishingly naked biography, amazingly raw and powerful.

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 February 2022 19:35 (three months ago) link

Cliff Chiang's Catwoman series is pretty damn great

Duane Barry, Friday, 11 February 2022 22:38 (three months ago) link

It is. I was impressed.

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 February 2022 00:19 (three months ago) link

Am enjoying the new Walter Mosely Thing mini too - can anyone recommend any of his novels?

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 14:45 (three months ago) link

I've been liking it too - didn't know anything about him. My library has Maximum Fantastic Four, so I'll check that out.

Nhex, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 14:56 (three months ago) link

"Devil in a Blue Dress" is a good starting point. The first Easy Rawlins book (and made into a movie with Denzel Washington), so if you like it, you have the rest of the series in order.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 15 February 2022 15:26 (three months ago) link

Fun rant on fascist supermen in GMo's Substack: https://grantmorrison.substack.com/p/162-superman-and-the-authority-annotations

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 17:09 (three months ago) link

I learned it from watching you dad

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 17:35 (three months ago) link

My library has Maximum Fantastic Four, so I'll check that out.

Not Mosely's fault particularly, but the repro/colouring on that really isn't very good at all. A more recent edition, shot directly from a pristine copy of FF1, is apparently the one to look out for:

https://www.abramsbooks.com/product/fantastic-four-no-1-panel-by-panel_9781419756153/

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 17:44 (three months ago) link

xp that rant was fun!

interesting that Chip Kidd did his own dissection of FF#1 too. i'm not sure i'm THAT into the issue to read both of them, but i guess we'll see

Nhex, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 18:15 (three months ago) link

I'll have to check out that Thing series, looks good. I'm really enjoying Tom King's Human Target as well, though I'm a bit ambivalent, given the poor reception his other recent comics got (at least in places I've looked). Let's hope this doesn't go off the rails!

Duane Barry, Thursday, 17 February 2022 01:14 (three months ago) link

15/. For now, we’re retiring DRM-free downloads. Previous purchases with downloadable content will continue to be downloadable from https://t.co/09sMXawxXF, so no need to rush.

Your DRM-free downloads can now be found here: https://t.co/LZqT0VbDRT

— Comixology (@comiXology) February 11, 2022

so comixology have migrated everything to amazon and have stopped drm downloads (although that tweet seems to say two different things - "For now, we’re retiring DRM-free downloads" / "Your DRM-free downloads can now be found here:")

(all the links go to amazon.com and i was using comixology.co.uk so they are no use to me. and i don't think the uk is quite up to speed yet, even though the web link redirects to amazon)

so i'm sat here with a bunch of pre-christmas purchases that i can no longer download to my laptop / tablet.

amazon sales pages are terrible. the sandman sale for instance shows you about 10 titles at a time, mixed between sandman graphic novels, single issues, sandman mystery theatre, dead boy detective, petrifax, all jumble together.

koogs, Friday, 18 February 2022 11:34 (three months ago) link

xp Duane - Rorschach and Strange Adventures (especially) were great imo

Nhex, Friday, 18 February 2022 16:27 (three months ago) link

turns out there are comixology download links on amazon.com and my amazon.co.uk login works on there too. will download everything over the weekend.

the new android app crashes within 5 seconds of opening a book, can't get past the cover. good job amazon. all you had to do was nothing.

koogs, Friday, 18 February 2022 17:27 (three months ago) link

A rundown of the Comixology complaints for those of you like me who didn't understand all the changes:
https://www.polygon.com/22938958/comixology-app-changes-amazon

Nhex, Saturday, 19 February 2022 17:16 (three months ago) link

Also lol'd at GM's (pretty good!) spin on Boo Radleys pop here: https://grantmorrison.substack.com/p/212-artboy. It's such a specific rhythm section sound you could literally date it by the year and month.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 21 February 2022 14:52 (three months ago) link

There's a line in The Worst Person in the World about living before the internet, spending all your time going to physical stores, collecting comics and books to try to reattain the feeling you got in 20s... and continuing to do that that rest of your life even though you never got that feeling again. Spoken by a character in his 40s.

It cut deep.

Nhex, Monday, 21 February 2022 20:48 (three months ago) link

Reminds me of the Seinfeld about how men wait until they feel happy and independent for the first time in their twenties, then never ever change their dress sense again

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 21 February 2022 20:57 (three months ago) link

ouch

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 February 2022 21:25 (three months ago) link

Otoh it’s very ok to do silly things that make you happy or slightly happier

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 21 February 2022 22:20 (three months ago) link

Like it’s possible to indulge in nostalgia without becoming a gamergater, a comic book guy, or Rob Lowe on the football pitch in St. Elmo’s fire

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 21 February 2022 22:22 (three months ago) link

spending all your time going to physical stores, collecting comics and books to try to reattain the feeling you got in 20s... and continuing to do that that rest of your life even though you never got that feeling again. Spoken by a character in his 40s.

It cut deep.

― Nhex, Monday, February 21, 2022 8:48 PM (yesterday)

I got this feeling back by going to second hand book shops (usually charity shops like oxfam). I didn't think it would ever come back, but it's beautiful and I guess it might fade away in time too. I think part of the reason it went away is because comics that excite me are really hard to find and a lot of them are either on tiny print runs, not widely distributed or they don't actually make actual comic books, just comicky things on instagram, which I can barely look at now because my account has been broken for several months now (fuck you instagram).

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 18:56 (three months ago) link

My experience is you gotta go cold turkey for a while and then the enthusiasm resurfaces.

This does prevent me from being the Authorative Chronicler Of Culture During My Lifetime that 18 year old wanted me to be tho.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 10:39 (three months ago) link

But what is this being compared to? Does everyone still get excited about other shopping? I still get as much excitement looking for music and books as I ever did, and charity shops are more exciting because they're unpredictable. With comic shops I feel a cynicism that I don't even get when looking at the film sections of shops, because I dislike a lot of the publishers, Diamond and so much of the readers; film business is also stupid, largely shaped by even more stupid tastes so I don't know why it never put a cloud over film buying.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 15:05 (three months ago) link

Maybe it's because films are so ubiquitous, they never seemed that special. My first few visits to a comic shop were total ecstasy because newsagents only ever had a handful of them and book shops had a very small section at that time

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 15:08 (three months ago) link

the new comixology… everything.. sucks so incredibly bad

mh, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 15:40 (three months ago) link

Breaking my nearly 100% lurker status to share some thoughts on comics I've read recently:

The Children of Mu-Town by Masumura Jushichi - a quiet tragedy about a gradually dying housing complex in Tokyo called Marigaoka. The story centers around two friends Juichi and Hajime, yakuza related maybe earlier twenty somethings trying to figure their shit out. Vivid spectacular art, a story centered around the brutality of neoliberalism (sorry) and gentrification, and writing that somehow manages to feel sparse and dense and confounding all at once.

Heaven No Hell by Michael Deforge - fantastic collection, my introduction to Michael Deforge, a writing style that reminds a lot of the best of James Tate. Hilarious and confident and a wonderful rendering of this burdensome world.

Magician A by Natsuko Ishitsuyo - six short stories that are interconnected in slight ways and are all about sex, but honestly saying that they're about sex seems shallow and nearly misleading. Sex here is adjacent to pleasure and more a method of maybe gaining some competitive edge in their worlds. Success, whatever that might mean, is the main drive of all the various protagonists, and they aim to achieve it with a casual ruthlessness and a resolve that suggests that makes it appear as though they will never reach resolution. It's not meant to be titillating, is weirdly funny, surreal, complex, unsettling and has haunted me since i read it.

bridge of donkeys, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 15:49 (three months ago) link

Liked those first two, will check out the third!

Ant Colony is another DeFporge banger.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 15:51 (three months ago) link

Oh great, I will definitely seek out Ant Colony

bridge of donkeys, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 16:30 (three months ago) link

even bad deforge is generally worth a read

i will check out Mu-Town

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 February 2022 20:35 (three months ago) link

I’m finally reading Tom Strong, which I always assumed was the dud of the ABC line and avoided, but it’s fun! Chris Sprouse’s work improved somewhat since his JLI work.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 26 February 2022 23:37 (three months ago) link

oh yeah, it totally ruled

Nhex, Sunday, 27 February 2022 00:07 (three months ago) link

Yeah loved Tom Strong. As far as ABC duds go I remember losing my patience with Promethea's "magic: let me explain you it" thing but it's been ages since I read it.

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 27 February 2022 10:56 (three months ago) link

Really enjoying this collection of the Friday Foster newspaper strip from the early seventies - gorgeously groovy artwork from Jordi Longarón:

https://www.comicsbeat.com/friday-foster-editor-christopher-marlon-interview/

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 3 March 2022 09:36 (two months ago) link

that's on Hoopla - will check it out. I remember greatly enjoying the Pam Grier movie

Nhex, Thursday, 3 March 2022 15:56 (two months ago) link

Figure this makes more sense on here than on the ILB what you reading thread:

Very close to finishing All The Marvels, an ex-ilxor's book of essays based around his reading, indeed, everything Marvel published since the first appearance of the Fantastic Four.

I suppose the point of the book is that the continuity modifies the reading experience, that having decades of writers and artists work on these properties makes new moments resonate in ways that would otherwise be impossible. Obv I'm not impervious to that, or I'd never have gotten into Marvel and DC in the first place, but on that level the book doesn't really convince me much that it's all worth it; the reboots and re-imaginings are described in ways where you can see how they would matter to the character, but not why they would "matter" in a larger sense outside of insular continuity porn.

Prob the weakest chapter is on the NORMAN OSBOURNE PRESIDETN era, partially because there's so much happening that the chapter has much more description than analysis, but then the analysis itself suffers majorly from this weird liberal amnesia - he views the whole thing as prophetic of Trump, when really it was writers reacting to and digesting the Bush era.

Much more enjoyable are the chapters where he focuses on a single character - Shang Chi, Black Panther - and just kinda guides you through what the best runs of it are, and usually the strenghts he pinpoints in those are unrelated to continuity. The chapter on Ms Marvel and Squirrel Girl is also v good.

I'd be totally up for further installments of just letting me know who his fav runs on Doctor Strange or Ghost Rider or whoever are.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 5 March 2022 15:01 (two months ago) link

That project reminds me of the Flaming Carrot’s origin story: “he read too many comic books in one sitting, and became simple”.

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 5 March 2022 16:27 (two months ago) link

haha, quoted in the first chapter!

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 5 March 2022 16:59 (two months ago) link

Lol

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 5 March 2022 23:13 (two months ago) link

Ut!

bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Sunday, 6 March 2022 01:04 (two months ago) link

Yeah, I can agree with that a little, although I think that being difficult to follow is intentional to an extent.

peace, man, Monday, 9 May 2022 01:19 (two weeks ago) link

Okay I completely missed a Nestor Redondo book from 2017 and it seems to have gone scarce but there's a Sanjulian book coming soon. I was never a great fan of Sanjulian but I really liked a book cover by him recently and maybe I should give him another look. These are both books by Manuel Auad and I have a few of his previous art books like the Alex Nino book. I find a lot of classic illustrators a little bland so I didn't go for a lot of the others. He made some Jordi Bernet books and I'd file him as another good noir artist but a lot of his cartoonier stuff I just didn't like

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 9 May 2022 02:16 (two weeks ago) link

Which is partly what I like about Kayfabe, the whole Outlaw Comix thing they push.

Really wouldn't claim this for them, they cover so much Big Two stuff and when it's something outside that sensibility it tends to be entry level (Clowes, Hergé, Akira). Even with the b&w 80's stuff that used to get written up in Wizard and shit.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 9 May 2022 09:37 (two weeks ago) link

RAG, I don't know if you're on Facebook, but if you are it's worth friending/following the artist and comics historian David Roach. He's a massive expert on Filipino comics and often shares rare artwork etc.

Ward Fowler, Monday, 9 May 2022 09:50 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, I can agree with that a little, although I think that being difficult to follow is intentional to an extent.

yeah agree on that

Quick recommendation: I randomly started reading an Image comedy/mystery series called "The Six Sidekicks of Trigger Keaton" and it's quite funny unusually well-plotted for a throwaway comic. (Proviso: I've only read two issues.)

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 9 May 2022 14:30 (two weeks ago) link

Daniel_Rf - I was just meaning the trashy mainstream styled independent comics. I don't watch their videos that regularly, or many other podcasts really.

Ward - I'm not on facebook but I couldn't find his page so I guess you need to join to see his image posts?
I'm glad to see he's got a Luis Garcia art book out next month, I've been waiting for a book dedicated to him. Someone says the date keeps getting pushed back. Hope it comes out soon because there's so many books that just never came out: A Glenn Chadbourne book. I'm not sure Krenkel's Drawings Of Women ever came out (I don't think so). Kaluta's art book will probably never come out from the publisher who announced it. The Lale Westvind book has been pushed to august and I really hope it's going to come out then.
I haven't been a regular comics buyer for several years and I forgot just how bad the delays can be.
I passed up the book of Spanish comic art because I think I had already seen most of it.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 00:28 (two weeks ago) link

I haven't been a regular comics buyer for several years and I forgot just how bad the delays can be.

Comics printing and shipping delays are far, far worse during COVID, various supply chain collapses, and a war that impacts the production of paper and packing materials, than they were years ago.

Yul Brynner film festival on Channel 48... (sic), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 01:49 (two weeks ago) link

Sorry if this has already been covered upthread, but why haven't the big comic companies tried to get back into grocery and drug stores? Why not bring back the spinner racks? There's a huge built in audience from the movies, why aren't they taking advantage of it?

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 01:52 (two weeks ago) link

I don't know about the Westvind and Luis Garcia books but a lot of the others I mentioned seem to have been abandoned during the process. That Kaluta book was promised for several years (went from Desperado to IDW) and then no word. I'm tempted to email Kaluta about it but I'm scared it will be the thousandth time for him.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 01:58 (two weeks ago) link

xp because people buying periodicals is just, dead

I could see the convenience store in my neighborhood that’s a block from the high school selling a few copies, but I also remember my middle school classmates giving me a great deal on comics they’d “already read” and it took me way too long to figure out they were just pocketing comics from the grocery store and making a quick buck (or less, this was when cover prices were $1.25 or less)

the distribution chain broke a number of years ago and it’s not coming back. I haven’t seen more than a couple tabloid diet/celebrity things at grocery stores for years, and I don’t think the large commodity chains really have a full rack of magazines. comics are collections and/or niche

mh, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 03:09 (two weeks ago) link

My toddler love magazines and comics and not-screen things, so do most other kids and teens I know.

Yes, it's about the collapse of the periodical and mag distribution industries (and the relentless optimisation of grocery store shelf space as family grocery stores and newsagents get smaller and smaller), but it's also about the way the floppy publishers stopped marketing/making comics for kids (or do a crap job of it).

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 09:28 (two weeks ago) link

E.g. A manageable sum for a low-quality Marv Wolfman/Jim Aparo Batman comic vs. £4.99 for a part 1 of 6000 modern DC batcomic with characters being skinned alive in loving detail

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 09:32 (two weeks ago) link

xp yeah, I didn’t mean to imply the demand isn’t there, but all of the progressive closing of the distribution chain and the business decision to get out of accepting returns probably burned a lot of bridges

mh, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 14:58 (two weeks ago) link

wld love to see Cow_Art pitch Perlmutter on the concept of returns

Yul Brynner film festival on Channel 48... (sic), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 15:36 (two weeks ago) link

I agree that the system is too fucked to be fixable at this point

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 15:39 (two weeks ago) link

I just ordered some stuff from MyComicShop for the first time in years. How many of you still track stuff down at dedicated back issue sites/stores? There isn't that much I really crave badly, I mostly just hope for reprints or anthology pieces turning up on blogs.

I spent a huge chunk of my teenage years writing and rewriting checklists for things I lost interest in.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 20:48 (two weeks ago) link

I read all the Swamp Things a while back, and I had to hunt down a lot of single issues.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 00:16 (two weeks ago) link

a huge built in audience from the movies

I didn’t mean to imply the demand isn’t there,

It might be safe to just say it. Three of the top twenty graphic novels sold in mainstream outlets last year were Baby-Sitters Club books, and the top twenty include Attack On Titan, My Hero Academia, and Demon Slayer. Sales on those range from 313,000 to 150,000.

Marvel's top-selling title, on which the major plot thread of their Avengers films is based, ranked at #892, with 10k sold.

Yul Brynner film festival on Channel 48... (sic), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 01:29 (two weeks ago) link

There's TONS of Marvel interest with the kids I work with and they all obviously see the movies, and given how graphic novels/comics/manga are super popular in with kids in general - maybe even more than before, because comics aren't really "uncool" anymore - can't help but feel Marvel and DC are really missing the boat. Walking Dead capitalized on it, right?

Nhex, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 02:19 (two weeks ago) link

and given how graphic novels/comics/manga are super popular in with kids in general

I don't think you can bracket them like that - graphic novels (mostly YA stuff) are self contained stories, manga is serialized sure but usually has the advantage that you can start with a Volume 1. So both are easier to access than US superhero comics and both also provide better value for money. I don't think US comics are super popular with kids at all, in fact what I hear from art teachers and such is that manga is universally adored, western comics (not just DC and Marvel either) mostly ignored and the graphic novel stuff that's popular bases itself on manga, in style and storytelling.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 09:32 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I think there's a reason everybody reads Watchmen first.

I mean obviously DC and Marvel have published many (or at least several) outright masterpieces that can be read as discrete stories and enjoyed by non-comics audiences (the Miller run on Daredevil springs to mind) but good luck finding them at a comic book store at an affordable price

A counter example might be Grant Morrison's JLA's run - it's incredible! But there's a lot of DC continuity tied into it, and I can't imagine a new fan being patient with Howard Porter's dreadful art

I did think those manga sized reprints published in the 2010s by Panini in the UK, of Claremont's X-Men run, were a pretty good attempt but they didn't seem to take off at all

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 12:54 (two weeks ago) link

I mean ultimately most of these comics and pieces of shit that you had to be young to enjoy and still be sentimental about. Like, I don't think David Tennant's Doctor Who ever resulted in a mass audience run on Castrovalva DVDs

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 12:56 (two weeks ago) link

*are pieces of shit

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 12:57 (two weeks ago) link

Growing up in Portugal my access to US superhero comics used to be these Brazilian paperbacks, kind of Archie digest format, and being used to that the first time I found out what US issues were like was a real "lol why the fuck would anyone bother?" moment.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 13:01 (two weeks ago) link

Now I'm remembering the last gasp of Marvel on the newsstand... via Archie Comics. I guess that Marvel Comics Digest lasted eight issues in 2017 before they canned the experiment.

mh, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 19:26 (two weeks ago) link

I don't think you can bracket them like that - graphic novels (mostly YA stuff) are self contained stories, manga is serialized sure but usually has the advantage that you can start with a Volume 1. So both are easier to access than US superhero comics and both also provide better value for money. I don't think US comics are super popular with kids at all, in fact what I hear from art teachers and such is that manga is universally adored, western comics (not just DC and Marvel either) mostly ignored and the graphic novel stuff that's popular bases itself on manga, in style and storytelling.

Yup 100% the US floppy format kinda sucks ass and is so expensive. Only benefits are getting regular material every month (hopefully) in color and on nice paper compared to manga

I know we're likely sort of using "Big Two/Image/DH/etc." as shorthand for US comics en total, but that's really not true anymore. You have to include Scholastic as a major publisher and very representative of the industry at this point (as well as companies like First Second, Boom, etc.)

and yes, also 100% every series being discrete/being easy to pick up is a huge reason why these YA series and manga are doing well, i mean look at the Babysitter's Club series and flippin' jankass Dog Man. (lots of books also that aren't really manga style, closer to Cartoon Network/Disney TV, many current animators putting out GAs) there is ZERO reason American superhero comics can't be produced like this and DC is at least trying with their standalone YA books with Batgirl, Raven etc.

we have tons of checkouts in my school of the low-effort "ready to read" paperbacks in Marvel and DC, they love the MCU movies and cartoons, but sadly few decent comics actually aimed at the audience (age 5-11). (The Marvel Adventures stuff is clearly B and C-tier work, and DC seems content reprinting old Batman Adventures comics from 20 years ago.) Meanwhile these same kids are reading everything put out by Jennifer Holm and Raina Telgemeier while constantly asking me for manga like Jujutsu Kaisen and Toilet-Bound Hanako-Kun which we're never going to buy for them (lol)

so - yeah, i get that it's not completely fair to bridge YA material with standard superhero comics, but trust me, the audience and interest is there. they are just completely blowing the opportunity on a massive scale OR choosing not to understand it

A counter example might be Grant Morrison's JLA's run - it's incredible! But there's a lot of DC continuity tied into it, and I can't imagine a new fan being patient with Howard Porter's dreadful art
lol yes
I mean ultimately most of these comics and pieces of shit that you had to be young to enjoy and still be sentimental about. Like, I don't think David Tennant's Doctor Who ever resulted in a mass audience run on Castrovalva DVDs
lol ok, but tbf the Doctor Who 2000s reboot actually DID get me to watch a bunch of the old serials

Nhex, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 21:49 (two weeks ago) link

no idea what's in Marvel Adventures these days, but these digest collections c. 16 years ago were great* - about six bucks, fun all-ages superhero stories with jokes in. basically the only way that C21st superhero comics should even exist.

https://i.imgur.com/YcU3n6J.jpg

* I mean, eventually I bought one that wasn't primarily written by Jeff Parker and tapped out - probably the third one - but kids don't need them to be as funny as I did.

Yul Brynner film festival on Channel 48... (sic), Thursday, 12 May 2022 00:37 (two weeks ago) link

lol ok, but tbf the Doctor Who 2000s reboot actually DID get me to watch a bunch of the old serials

Ha yeah I was quite happy to revisit Happiness Patrol and Paradise Towers but I didn't see a lot of Tumblrs posting Kandyman and Richard Briers gifs

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 12 May 2022 11:03 (two weeks ago) link

It's interesting how incomprehensible continuity is often brought up as the #1 reason the comics don't get more new readers but at this stage going to see a MCU movie w/o having seen the last thirty or so must be equally disorientating and yet ppl love it.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 12 May 2022 11:39 (two weeks ago) link

I dispute that a bit - the continuity is huge but the movies (or at lest the successful ones) usually work well as simplistic and discrete units -- like, no one who missed the first 45 minutes of Ragnorok is going to have trouble fingering out who the good and bad guys are, or whatever the MacGuffin is this time round.

But, like that's a way smaller measure of difficulty than DC's obsession with deep cut characters ("who are these yellow headed men and why are they suddenly in my Animal Man comic") or, like, trying to fathom the fuck of what happened in Secret Empire (I still don't get it), or why this Bendis can't ever start or finish a story etc.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 12 May 2022 12:04 (two weeks ago) link

Or, e.g. I loved the Hickman revival of X-Men but it just became a TOO MANY COMICS headache and who has time

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 12 May 2022 12:08 (two weeks ago) link

this is why I said "at this stage" - try going into Doc Strange 2 not having seen anything except Doc Strange 1.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 12 May 2022 12:09 (two weeks ago) link

agreed on the Hickman thing, i was really sad that it eventually just turned back into your standard overpublished morass

i had some big problems with Dr Strange 2 (mostly regarding how it followed up Wandavision) but at its core it's still a very watchable/fun theme park ride that people can just show up for and see CGI pew-pew and some funny jokes

Nhex, Thursday, 12 May 2022 12:24 (two weeks ago) link

Lol, I was considering watching Doctor Strange 2, as I had finally caved to a years-long MCU apathy and watched Doctor Strange 1 a month ago and thought it wasn't bad. I guess that's a fool's errand, huh?

Also enjoyed House of X/Powers of X, but gave up after too many side-projects came out.

peace, man, Thursday, 12 May 2022 12:27 (two weeks ago) link

That may have turned me off of superhero books altogether, although I make an exception for Swamp Thing.

peace, man, Thursday, 12 May 2022 12:28 (two weeks ago) link

nah, go see it! it's totally fun. and if you haven't seen Wandavision it definitely won't bug you the way it did me
i do think it's a little more restrained than the first Doctor Strange was, ironically, at least with the wacky VFX set pieces

Nhex, Thursday, 12 May 2022 12:31 (two weeks ago) link

but at its core it's still a very watchable/fun theme park ride that people can just show up for and see CGI pew-pew and some funny jokes

Sure, but you can also pick up a continuity wank comic and enjoy it for the cool battles and grody art. A generation of X-Men fans happily read entirely incomprehensible comics for those reasons.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 12 May 2022 12:48 (two weeks ago) link

ha, fair enough!

Nhex, Thursday, 12 May 2022 13:02 (two weeks ago) link

I haven't seen Doctor Strange 2 yet, but 'more restrained' is not what I'm looking for there!

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 12 May 2022 14:12 (two weeks ago) link

xp I remember starting to read Marvel comics, specifically the X-Men, during one of the worst on-boarding period (early 90s) and part of the draw was figuring out what the hell was going on, who these characters are, and why they're battling each other

There was a huge audience boost at the time! It's still really funny that they had a semblance of an entry point with X-Men #1, with Chris Claremont/Jim Lee and Claremont's overly verbose "this is who this character is, their powers, and what drives them" excessive text boxes, and managed to completely blow it up after six or seven issues.

mh, Thursday, 12 May 2022 14:19 (two weeks ago) link

My initial experience with comics as a child was buying random issues off the spinner racks in 7-11, just plopping down in the middle of a story and forgetting about it again for several months before grabbing an issue and finding new incomprehensible action and drama.

When I was trying to seriously get back into comics a few years ago, I tried this tactic. I wanted to recapture the chaos. I would just walk into my LCS, grab a bunch of issues off the wall, semi-randomly. I was also storing them in accordion folders, as a little rebellion against bags and boards. After a while, I concluded that this was not a satisfying means of reading or storage for me and switched to bags and boards and pull-box.

peace, man, Thursday, 12 May 2022 14:40 (two weeks ago) link

i feel like i'm unintentionally misleading a bit. DS2 is NOT more restrained in most ways! It's more like i feel there's nothing quite as cool looking as the "glass" effects in DS1, but there's PLENTY else to watch in it, especially going in as a horror or Sam Raimi fan

on occasion i do like to pick up random issues of stuff i've never read just to try, and it's just not really how comics are built nowadays

Nhex, Thursday, 12 May 2022 14:49 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, I really have to get in on a first issue or if something I missed has been getting a lot of hype, I'll go pick up a trade and start from there.

peace, man, Thursday, 12 May 2022 14:51 (two weeks ago) link

at this stage going to see a MCU movie w/o having seen the last thirty or so must be equally disorientating

will report back in a week or three

like, no one who missed the first 45 minutes of Ragnorok is going to have trouble fingering out who the good and bad guys are, or whatever the MacGuffin is this time round.

fingering out your mum morelike tbf I was fairly bemused by the first 45 minutes of Ragnarok because I had no idea who was being introduced for the first time and who was from one or three or eight other films

Yul Brynner film festival on Channel 48... (sic), Thursday, 12 May 2022 17:36 (two weeks ago) link

Beyond wanting decently scanned reprints of DC and Marvel (hopefully people are torrenting good scans), I'm kind of glad that people are looking to other things, but I bet Disney owns some of them too. I don't have high hopes for this Disney Must Pay thing, I'd rather people didn't work for them.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 12 May 2022 18:32 (two weeks ago) link

the whole point of Disney Must Pay is that the people didn't work for Disney. you're free to agitate instead on a case-by-case basis, hundreds and hundreds of times over, for eg Alan Dean Foster to not write the Alien novelisation in the first place because he will receive royalties for 40 years, and then Disney will buy 20th Century Fox, but it might be less practical than the current movement.

Yul Brynner film festival on Channel 48... (sic), Thursday, 12 May 2022 20:38 (two weeks ago) link

Of course there's many more issues than the royalties situation.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 12 May 2022 20:51 (two weeks ago) link

I got this little series Knighthawk in the mail
https://www.comics.org/series/5322/covers/
Because there was a Filipino special issue of Comic Book Artist in their Top Shelf era that cited Knighthawk as some of the most accomplished Xtreme 90s comics, a highlight for Nestor Infante and the picture shown looked pretty good. It is nice but Neal Adams really dominates the thing, sometimes it looks like he's doing most of the work.
I forgotten how much adverts break up the mood of a comic when they keep interrupting the story.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 23 May 2022 18:00 (four days ago) link

This was the issue, really worth tracking down, it was probably my favorite of all the ones I read
https://www.topshelfcomix.com/catalog/comic-book-artist-vol-2-4/209

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 23 May 2022 18:06 (four days ago) link

Neal Adams is the only one credited on first issue of Knighthawk.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 23 May 2022 18:08 (four days ago) link


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