Love & Rockets - classic or dud

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I may have asked this already on ILX.

anyway, is L&R any good? I bought the first book a while ago to see what all the fuss is about, and I found it rather unengaging.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I've never read it. Really, I stay away from comics that aren't superhero stories because I read comics for superheroics.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I am Dan.

Also, the first L&R fans I knew were the kinds of people who make you want to never like the things they like, which unfairly biased me against it.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I've never read actual issues / collections of L&R, but I've read an associated one-shot or two (The Maggie & Hopey Color Special, most notably), and enjoyed its gentle comedy, and I also enjoyed the art stylings of the Hernandez Bros., especially the one that draws just like John Romita.

Wasn't the 1st book more a sci-fi romp than the sort of thing that L&R became known for?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I also used to confuse L&R with this:

... which had a "... COCAINE?" bit in its advertisements, which made me think it was going to be some lame Don't Do Drugs romantic comedy. Which it might've been, but it wasn't Love & Rockets after all.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I always think Rocket from the Crypt when I see Love & Rockets for some reason, even though I haven't read or listened to either one.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

b-b-but love and rockets has superheroes in it!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

WTF! You guys need to read it. It's probably my favorite comic ever. It's like somebody pulled out the entire imaginations of three (well, mostly two) really smart, incredibly artistic Hispanic boys in the 1980's and just layed it all out on paper.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't read it for 10 years but what Dan said. also Maggie=comic character crush.

mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

"the death of speedy" is probably the best intro-to-jaime volume to get: it stands up pretty well on its own and isn't as arcane as the later books or um, dopey as some of the early stuff.

with gilbert you'd probably better just start at the beginning; it's hard enough figuring out what's going on without having to read everything out of order!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link


By the time I get back from work today I want an Angel Love thread with 50 answers. (btw it was rubbish Tep.)

Love And Rockets is grebt but I've not read it in 10 years. I wonder if Morrissey has read it.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 06:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I've read Love & Rockets only spottily, but what I've read was definitely good. The final L&R story almost brought tears to my eyes.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 08:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Do sample The Death Of Speedy and, if you want to try just one Gilbert volume, maybe Poison River. I think L&R is one of the best comics I've ever read. Ignore Mario, of course.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 14 May 2004 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, Lordy. Love & Rockets starts out EXTREMELY spotty but promising--a couple of kids getting their free-form fantasies down on paper in sort of interesting ways--and in about eight issues becomes one of the GREATEST COMICS EVER.

My favorite Jaime book is "Wigwam Bam"; favorite Gilbert book is probably "Love & Rockets X," though I'm not in agreement w/ many people on that one. Maybe just go for "Palomar."

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:36 (seventeen years ago) link

"Death of Speedy" is my favorite Jaime book, and is also (as others have said) the best Jaime introduction. It also works very well as a standalone volume, because there are lots of flashbacks. I've given it as a gift several times.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think I've ever seen both "the golden years" and "the years after" portrayed so well.

soundtrack: The Pixies' cover of "I can't forget"

It was high and fine and free, oh you should have seen us

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 10:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"Death of Speedy" is my favorite Jaime book, and is also (as others have said) the best Jaime introduction.

OK. so should I just give up on "Music For Mechanics" and throw good money after bad acquiring a copy of "The Death Of Speedy"?

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe...whats in Music for Mechanics again? is the early stuff? what Douglas says is OTM

mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Explain me more about this "L&R has superheroes in it" thing? Or better yet ... what's the series about?

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

in the early episodes there were futuristic elements to Jaime's stories (hover bikes etc) and superheroes. one of the characters, Penny, wanted to become a superhero. Gilberts early stories had monsters and weird stuff too.

then they got phased out.

mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Love and Rockets = genius. Read lots of it.

David Simpson (David Simpson), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
Woah I can't believe in all the years I've read Love and Rockets I never realized Luba was supposed to look exactly like Susan Sontag! It adds several layers of meaning to the boobs.

Dan I., Saturday, 10 December 2005 01:56 (fifteen years ago) link

all of a sudden i am FOR interpretation all over again

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 10 December 2005 11:32 (fifteen years ago) link

have the post first 50 L&Rs come out as paper collections yet?

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Saturday, 10 December 2005 23:45 (fifteen years ago) link

First volume coming soon.

Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 11 December 2005 00:06 (fifteen years ago) link

That fantagraphics post is really helpful. I don't have Locas, since I bought the trades, but I'm pretty amazed at how exclusive they are--that huge thing doesn't include Flies on the Ceiling!

kenchen, Sunday, 11 December 2005 08:55 (fifteen years ago) link

It's helpful but misleading. While whoever wrote those guides would have you believe otherwise, there is an awful lot of non-Locas/Palomar stuff in the original trades, most of it well worth reading.

An aside: I think I love Beto's Fear of Comics almost as much as Locas or Palomar.

Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 11 December 2005 16:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Whoever = Fantagraphics publisher Kim Thompson, as noted in the "POSTED BY" bit. And how misleading are sentences like the PALOMAR book collects EVERY SINGLE "Palomar" story from LOVE AND ROCKETS #3 to #50, with the exception of about 42 late pages in LOVE AND ROCKETS VOL. 14: "LUBA CONQUERS THE UNIVERSE," excluded because they have plot roots in POISON RIVER.


Therefore, if you've purchased and enjoyed PALOMAR, your first stops will be LOVE AND ROCKETS VOL. 12: "POISON RIVER" (the early story of Luba) and LOVE AND ROCKETS X (a story set in then-contemporary L.A. which featured one of Luba's daughters and has since worked its way into post-Palomar continuity).


LOVE AND ROCKETS VOLUME 1 has about 60 pages of stories such as "BEM," "Music for Monsters," et al. (Also available much cheaper --five bucks total!-- as LOVE AND ROCKETS #1 and #2.)


There are four very early "Locasverse" stories in LOVE AND ROCKETS (Vol. 1) #1 which were not included in LOCAS because they were comparatively crude. As it happens, you can still buy the original 64-page LOVE AND ROCKETS #1 for only $2.50 through the Fantagraphics catalog -- or you can buy LOVE AND ROCKETS VOL. 1: MUSIC FOR MECHANICS, which reprints #1 and #2. Although this latter ploy will give you a duplicate copy of the 40-page "Mechanics" story which leads off LOCAS, the other 80 or 90 pages of comics are not collected in either LOCAS or PALOMAR, and well worth the price (especially Gilbert Hernandez's "BEM," featuring a pre-Palomar Luba.


There's about 100 pages of "Locasverse" stories that were cut from LOCAS because they focused on peripheral characters -- Rena Titañon wrestling stories, Penny Century larks, etc.; unfortunately for collectors, they're scattered in Volumes 2, 4, 5, and 6, which otherwise contain mostly stories collected in LOCAS and PALOMAR. (Volumes 7, 11, and 13 are COMPLETELY collected in LOCAS -- well, except for one 3-page story in Vol. 13 that didn't make the cut -- so you can ignore them.)


However, LOVE AND ROCKETS VOLUME 9: FLIES ON THE CEILING, while it does contain a number of pages collected in LOCAS, is a relative bonanza in this regard, with 37 pages of non-LOCAS "Locasverse" stories, including two of the very, very best: "Flies on the Ceiling" (the story of Izzy in Mexico) and "Spring 1982" (a haunting flashback to the early days of the Doyle character). Volume 9 also contains Gilbert's stunning "Frida."

He doesn't cover Mario at all, but didn't he disappear from L&R almost entirely after the first few, siphoned off into anthologies and Brain Capers and so forth? I don't remember anything non-Locasverse by Xaime at all, so he's covered. What else is there, maybe a five-page short by Beto every three books, if that? (nb: if at home I would actually check this, no belligerence intended in question!)

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 12 December 2005 01:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, it sounded complete, I was just surprised by the ommission of FLIES, since the comics journal ranked the 5-or-so-page story as one of the top 20 comics of all time!

kench, Monday, 12 December 2005 01:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, the omission of that and the other Izzy stories etc. made me decide to spend $150 on TPBs 11-15 instead of $65 on Locas. So far this has only led to volume 11 being bought, because the bookshop doesn't have any of the later ones or Locas...

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 12 December 2005 02:25 (fifteen years ago) link

i don't think i understood "flies"

tom west (thomp), Monday, 12 December 2005 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I think remember someone (Douglas?) commenting on how weird or fucked-up the new issue of Love & Rockets (#23?) is, but I didn't find it any more weird than the rest of nu-L&R?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link

in the latest CJ there's an ad for a new series of 'manga format' COMPLETE chronological L+R reprints (one series for Jaime, one for Beto) - can't wait

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I think it was the combination of no Maggie/Hopey and Beto derailing both of his ongoing stories into sex scenes that are like the opposite of fanservice and screwing up everybody's lives.

Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I can see that. I thought it was because of Ray's moustache.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

COMPLETE chronological L+R reprints

three volumes each for Locas and Palomar characters, then one at the end for Mario and Rocky & Fumble* and BEM and Errata Stigmata and all the other oddments. All from v1 #1-50, none of the subsequent series covered.

*(which I totally forgot about in my really-kinda-belligerent post up above)

nu-mongrel (kit brash), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:48 (fourteen years ago) link

According to Kim Thompson, they're repackaging all the old L&R collections to be more accessible and in-narrative-order-y.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link

no, I'm 99.7% sure they're basically in publication order - it'd be interesting to have them re-sifted into narrative order, but mostly impossible/pointless given that both use flashbacks so heavily.

nu-mongrel (kit brash), Saturday, 13 January 2007 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link

So I just picked up "Blood of Palomar" for dirt cheap and have never read any L&R before. Is this a reasonable place to start or am I better off not reading it yet?

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 14 January 2007 03:35 (fourteen years ago) link

it's ace and pretty self-contained, go for it.

nu-mongrel (kit brash), Sunday, 14 January 2007 05:52 (fourteen years ago) link

just read the first issue of "new tales of old palomar" and it was pretty good, way better than i expected.

zappi (joni), Sunday, 14 January 2007 06:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Chris, tell us what you think of it!

Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 14 January 2007 06:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, that was confusing. Forty thousand characters (although they were fairly well distinguished). So many little narrative jumps! I felt like I was reading every third panel of a comic.

Anyway I'm not sure what I think of it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 15 January 2007 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Having pretty much raced through LOCAS over the past few days (early, early mornings and late, late nights being quite beneficial in this regard), I'm curious as to if there are more Izzy stories around and, if so, where I might find them. It seems quite clear that there's an Izzy storyline or two elliptically alluded to throughout the Maggie/Hopey adventures and I'm eager to read...


R Baez, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link

R, most of Izzy's story happens off-panel; the one major, major exception is the excellent short story "Flies on the Ceiling," which is not in LOCAS but is in MAGGIE THE MECHANIC and the old L&R vol. 9, also called "Flies on the Ceiling."

Where to next w/r/t LOCAS: if you don't love the wrestling stuff, skip over WHOA, NELLIE!, which is mostly about Xochitl and Gina, and head straight to LOCAS IN LOVE, then DICKS AND DEEDEES, then GHOST OF HOPPERS. The stuff after that hasn't been collected yet; it starts with #11 of the current L&R series (mostly the "Day By Day With Hopey" story).

Douglas, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link

The new L&R collections are so pretty. **grumble** formatting** **etc**

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Okey dokey, Douglas.

R Baez, Friday, 23 March 2007 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link

"Flies on the Ceiling" is NOT in Maggie the Mechanic :(

chaki, Saturday, 24 March 2007 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link

o god i love that last LUBA collection AND dicks and deedees. i kinda thought i'd lost interest in this for good my. maggie is...lovely again. and doyle is there too...

mully, Saturday, 24 March 2007 11:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Help me out. If I just bought the library books I’d have everything and not need the separate novels? I haven’t read love and rockets in years because I got so confused, and pissed after buying the same thing and so many different formats. Tempted to sell everything I have and just buy all the library volumes.

dan selzer, Monday, 3 June 2019 11:39 (two years ago) link

Maggie and Hopey are getting older. Is there a future in which one of them might die?

Yeah, but I’m not sure when. I’m going to be 60 in October. I can see an end to this. My brain will go or my hand will go. My ideas will go. But so far it’s still working. I still got stories to tell.

the thought of either maggie and hopey dying or l&r otherwise coming to an end is not something i'd given a lot of thought to and it's surprisingly upsetting tbh

naked rollercoaster-riding world record holder (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 June 2019 11:41 (two years ago) link

dan I think we’ve done this upthread, but the “Library” volumes collect most of everything if you don’t mind reading in that shrinkydink size.

Basically they stay at a respectful pace behind Jaime (about 7 years or so) and have completely given up on staying current or comprehensive with Beto’s output, but that’s okay because his quality control has been replaced with an untethered hose. (The latest book in the Library was a Beto, and included Luba-and-her-descendants material from 2002 to 2006.)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 3 June 2019 12:00 (two years ago) link

If I want the bigger size and get the "novels" though, will I miss stuff?

dan selzer, Monday, 3 June 2019 14:45 (two years ago) link

I think you get extra stuff — Jaime adds sequences, codas, etc. (but I’m not positive that those don’t also make their way into the shrinky-dinks).

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Monday, 3 June 2019 15:18 (two years ago) link

I really don’t know what to make of this section of that Jaime interview:

I have to admit that with Hopey changing so much, it was hard writing her into this new story. I didn’t really like her. I thought, I don’t like her as a person. I don’t like what she’s doing. I don’t like how her life turned out. She is one of those friends you’re disappointed in.

...considering that in this volume, Hopey “gets real,” confronts difficult things in her past, has settled down & appears happy, shows considerable growth as a character (and “person”), etc.

I’m honestly flummoxed by Jaime’s assessment!

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Monday, 3 June 2019 15:38 (two years ago) link

(but I’m not positive that those don’t also make their way into the shrinky-dinks)

i think that everything in the "novels" gets collected in the library editions. since they started releasing those books the l&r publishing schedule has *generally* been:

1. initial publication of material in whatever "magazine" is currently running.

2. that stuff gets collected into large-sized hardcovers. editing usually gets done at this stage and sometimes pages are added, as morrisp mentions above. if you buy only these editions you will, for the most part, have everything.

3. several years later all of that material is collected in the smaller "library" paperbacks. the only editing happening at this point may be different ordering of stories.

visiting, Monday, 3 June 2019 16:56 (two years ago) link

Thanks for the spoiler morrisp.

I started disliking modern Hopey in the comic where she is a teacher disciplining a kid who snuck out the fence during recess. Hopey proceeds to have a laughing fit because it reminded her of her old self. That was the most unfunny thing in the world.

ilm jive mind (FlopsyDuck), Monday, 3 June 2019 22:13 (two years ago) link

Nothing I wrote constitutes a spoiler — unless you don’t even want to know the vaguest background details of the setup (in which case, sorry I guess...).

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Monday, 3 June 2019 22:32 (two years ago) link

“Hopey married the glasses lady”

ilm jive mind (FlopsyDuck), Monday, 3 June 2019 23:03 (two years ago) link

That’s on page 1! Sorry, man.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Monday, 3 June 2019 23:15 (two years ago) link

It’s okay, better page 1 then somewhere near the end.

ilm jive mind (FlopsyDuck), Monday, 3 June 2019 23:29 (two years ago) link

also it’s a spoiler of a comic from four or five years ago

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 01:00 (two years ago) link

Maybe the Hopey marriage stuff was boring and I forgot they were married. The way Morrisp put an exclamation mark after “Hopey Married the glasses lady”, I thought it was something new.

ilm jive mind (FlopsyDuck), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 01:31 (two years ago) link

We knew Hopey was married with a kid at the end of Love Bunglers, but I don’t think we saw who her wife was until now (...“now” meaning 2015 — when this story debuted in New Stories #7 — as sic pointed out).

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 02:07 (two years ago) link

...Man, flipping back to that page size / paper stock really drives home the superiority of these large-format reprint editions.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 02:13 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I can barely read the first volume of the library editions, the typeface is so small

Like A Turrican (stevie), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 11:52 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

My copy of the Tonta hardcover arrived. The material is drawn from a few issues of New Stories (#5-6); but it sure looks good printed all big and stuff.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 00:42 (two years ago) link

this really had me thinking about beto's b-movie books

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 2 August 2019 15:15 (two years ago) link

The Tonta book is good, I recommend it as a one-off, especially for folks who haven't been following the series closely (it stands on its own, and Jaime's "main" characters don't even appear, so you won't be stressed about continuity/catch-up). The story has a lightness and wit that have been absent in the recent tales of the Locas crew.

That said, there is some timeline weirdness here (which devoted readers will notice) -- a flashback at the end retroactively & roughly nails down the age of a few characters, making them "too young" to have been the adults they were when they first appeared in the early 2000s. This funkiness is clearly a byproduct of telling an ongoing story in small installments over many years; I'm sure Jaime could avoid it if he cared, but artistic license rightly takes precedent.

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Friday, 9 August 2019 20:20 (two years ago) link

yeah, I was really impressed at how well the Tonta book held together as a single story. the one thing that didn't play was the trial taking place in a few seconds' reading, instead of being spaced out amidst other stories, but oh well.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 9 August 2019 20:25 (two years ago) link

I agree the ending is kind of abrupt.

Btw, I realized you can fudge the timeline if you pretend the story takes place several years before publication -- it can't be set any earlier than 2008, as one plot point involves a Twilight movie in theaters. But I think it was probably supposed to be set in 2012, when Jaime started writing it, and when the last of those movies came out... and that late date is def. incompatible with Vivian's age. I know this doesn't matter at all.

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Friday, 9 August 2019 20:31 (two years ago) link

Getting super forensic (sorry) -- the only Twilight movie released in the summertime (the story's setting) was Part 3, in 2010... I'm gonna satisfy myself by calculating that puts the flashback around 1996, which is just far back enough for Viv to have been a (very) young adult when Maggie & Ray meet her in 2001. I don't know how this timing works with Angel's post-Ti Girls storyline (her move to Texas, then back to CA), but I'm not gonna worry about it.

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Friday, 9 August 2019 21:03 (two years ago) link

My books are all in another hemisphere so I can't read back & check, but are you just judging by Vivian? could it be that she was a bratty 19-year-old with a body that clouds men's minds in her first appearances, and is a bratty 31-year-old with etc etc in Tonta?

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 9 August 2019 21:12 (two years ago) link

lol xpost

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 9 August 2019 21:13 (two years ago) link

haha, yeah -- I mean she *could* have been 19 back then, but it seemed like she had been on the scene a little longer than that, based on her personal history (she had dated that comic-book guy Vartan at some point in the past, etc.). But at this point, we've winnowed it down to where I'm just splitting hairs over a few years.

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Friday, 9 August 2019 21:17 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Apparently this is an hour-long video interview w/Jaime; I may try to listen while I work later today:

#YABASIC (morrisp), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 14:09 (two years ago) link

Sweet! Gonna watch sinecright now.

I really enjoyed this recent interview with Ed Piskor about Jaime's early days.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 14:24 (two years ago) link

six months pass...

Stumbled across this old print ad while reading sixties Batmans. Given the art style and the fact he's called "BEM", could this be the secret origin of Los Bros Hernandez?

Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Monday, 13 April 2020 15:50 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

I feel like this vaguely rips off the comic’s title & original logo (or maybe it’s just a coincidence):

New Adventures in WiFi (morrisp), Saturday, 24 October 2020 06:22 (eleven months ago) link

More likely a rip of the 2006 Dr Who episode Love & Monsters

Un-fooled and placid (sic), Saturday, 24 October 2020 07:00 (eleven months ago) link

Given the art style and the fact he's called "BEM", could this be the secret origin of Los Bros Hernandez?

"BEM" is an old sci-fi acronym for "bug-eyed monster". Presumably that's where Gilbert got it from, since, you know, he uses it as a name for a sci-fi monster. :)

Tuomas, Thursday, 5 November 2020 08:17 (eleven months ago) link

four months pass... (sic)

This best-of book spotlights the women who are often ignored in pro wrestling in 125 full color illustrations: pin-ups, action shots, fake wrestling magazine covers, all presented in a large paperback format that echoes the lucha libre magazines of the 1960s. Hernandez also discusses the work in an interview with fellow cartoonist Katie Skelly.

beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Thursday, 1 April 2021 16:11 (six months ago) link

six months pass...

Just learned Jaime did a poster for that band that adopted his character name:

juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 1 October 2021 05:50 (three weeks ago) link

always wondered if he was involved with that / approved it

Nhex, Friday, 1 October 2021 12:02 (three weeks ago) link

Def remember Los Bros were none too happy abt the UK group Love & Rockets, understandably so

Ward Fowler, Friday, 1 October 2021 13:28 (three weeks ago) link

If I were a curious new L&R reader who clicked on this "handy guide" to the series (which Fanta just promoted in today's newsletter), I would probably close my browser and forget about being an L&R reader!

juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 1 October 2021 20:57 (three weeks ago) link

(I guess the core Where to Start With Love and Rockets sections (for Jaime and Gilbert, respectively) of this page are better, but the impact of the entire page is arguably even more off-putting.)

juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 1 October 2021 21:01 (three weeks ago) link

One little side note, which I also mentioned on things you were shockingly old when you realized, Speedy Ortiz more or less rhymes with Sadie Dupuis.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 1 October 2021 21:04 (three weeks ago) link

it's fucking hard to get people into l&r these days and it's also hard to lend out the books because if you walk with my v1 of anything, it will be the sixth copy i've lost that way!

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 October 2021 06:16 (two weeks ago) link

lol, yeah, Fanta's reader's guide is insane. Just list the digests and then have a 'wanna know more?' link to the full publication history.

Donald Fhtagen (Old Lunch), Saturday, 2 October 2021 13:13 (two weeks ago) link

I binged L&R during the shutdown. Jaime stayed remarkably consistent. Berto lost me when he left Palomar. Eventually it turned into a comic obsessed with huge breasted women in LA.

Cow_Art, Saturday, 2 October 2021 14:10 (two weeks ago) link

kinda with you there. i like his more gonzo shit. Blubber is impressively unhinged.

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 October 2021 17:47 (two weeks ago) link

Blubber is completely unhinged.

I do like his experimental, gonzo stuff but generally, yeah, it's safe to stop with the Palomar material when it no longer takes place in Palomar. Before that, though, he and Jaime's worlds were just about equal imo.

Donald Fhtagen (Old Lunch), Saturday, 2 October 2021 18:15 (two weeks ago) link

don't sleep on the "New Tales Of Old Palomar" standalones though, those are good

sleeve, Saturday, 2 October 2021 18:19 (two weeks ago) link

yeah i'd agree with that

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 October 2021 18:35 (two weeks ago) link

Grandfathered in on the 'tales place in Palomar' clause.

Donald Fhtagen (Old Lunch), Saturday, 2 October 2021 19:34 (two weeks ago) link

tales takes

Donald Fhtagen (Old Lunch), Saturday, 2 October 2021 19:34 (two weeks ago) link

I stopped with Gilbert's second B-movie graphic novel because I felt his art has lost some of its oomph and weight but I'm tempted to get the Blubber collection. I admired Palomar and some of his later stories were very sad but ultimately I wasn't into it enough once the drawing declined a bit.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:10 (one week ago) link

I haven't read a graphic novel over 60 pages in 5 years or something like that.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:12 (one week ago) link

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