Tried the first omnibus of Valerian & Laureline (titled simply Valerian to tie in with the film), consisting of the first 3 volumes. Gave up just over half way through. I could see the improvements by the third episode and that is where many say it really begins but at the time I just couldn't hack it. I didn't hate it or anything but things about the style and the panel arrangements made it a bit offputting for me. Read the Tuomas guide and since his recommendation would require only a further 3 omnibuses, I think I'll buy those and try again later. This might be a bad idea to ignore all my warning signs but I'm just very intrigued by all this acclaim. I'm bad for buying comics in bulk and then realizing I just cant get very far with them. I try to block out my memory how much they cost.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 4 January 2019 19:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Yeah, sadly Valerian & Laureline is your textbook example of "gets better as it progresses". It started out as an adventure comic for kids, which is obvious with the first two books. The political allegory and social commentary doesn't really kick in until the 1970s. Looking at what's included in the omnibuses, vol. 2 is already way better than vol. 1, and vol. 3 has what I would argue are the three best books in the entire series. So if you still don't like it after reading vol. 3, there's no point in buying any of the later ones, it doesn't get any better than that.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink
And you absolutely should not buy vols 6 & 7, the diminishing quality of both the art and especially the writing is just sad. Vol 5 is borderline, IMO only one of the three books included in it ("The Living Weapons") is good, and you really don't need to follow the longer story arc beyond "The Wrath of Hypsis", which provides a decent enough finale for the series. The actual series finale ("Memories from the Futures") is just embarrassingly bad.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Haha, looks like even Cinebook realised "Memories from the Futures" is bad, because it's not included in the omnibuses, the final omnibus ends with the penultimate book. Though to be fair, the penultimate book was originally supposed to be the final book, until Mezieres and Christin decided to do one more victory lap.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Love Tom King's stuff and Clay Mann's a good artist, I've been reading Heroes in Crisis.Anyone read #4? It's weird that... well... there's some strangely contextualized sexualized female shots in this? Maybe it's just me, but I'm talking about the full page Lois pin-up in the Superman shirt and panties saying "What do you want me to do?" to the reader and ESPECIALLY the Batgirl confession that has her pointing out her bullet wound in an almost fetishistic fashion.If this were an everyday teen manga I probably wouldn't even notice it but it's really odd in such a serious story, isn't it?
― Nhex, Friday, 11 January 2019 00:20 (one week ago) Permalink
I saw a few articles in the comic/pop-culture press reporting on that (one included the full Batgirl page as part of the discussion). A particular panel of Poison Ivy was also being discussed in the same context (I won't mention the specific content of the panel, as it's spoiler-y).
My "takeaway" was that I've seen more sexualized art in comics; but I've also seen, er, less sexualized art. It didn't look like something I'd want to read, anyway.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 11 January 2019 00:32 (one week ago) Permalink
(for other reasons, artwork aside... but I also didn't care for the art.)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 11 January 2019 00:33 (one week ago) Permalink
I didn't completely see the furore about the Batgirl page - I didn't think it was any worse than the Poison Ivy or Black Canary ones - but the Lois page, which nowhere seems to making a big deal out of that I read, was just awful.
I've actually been nearly enjoying Heroes In Crisis at the plot level, but the execution is kind of off.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Friday, 11 January 2019 10:21 (one week ago) Permalink
heroes in crisis feels a bit like a geoff johns joint tbh which is to say, i'm not liking it
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 11 January 2019 12:23 (one week ago) Permalink
King's style has become too self-parodic and decompressed - like he's having his own "overindulgent mid-2000s Bendis" phase.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 January 2019 15:20 (one week ago) Permalink
And I'm not sure having stabby psychopaths and Booster doing Robin Williams in Fisher King is really the greatest way of, er, "addressing mental health issues". (I mean, for comparison's sake, look how great Stan Lee - of all people! - is at portraying depression in FF 51.)
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 January 2019 15:25 (one week ago) Permalink
To quote Alan Moore: “None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with YOU. You're locked up in here with ME.” 🤣 https://t.co/8TCmKNJlkD— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) January 11, 2019
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 January 2019 17:32 (one week ago) Permalink
beat me to it
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 11 January 2019 18:34 (one week ago) Permalink
FWIW, Alan Moore said he was terrified that there were actually people out there who thought Rorschach was cool.— Elitist Dentist-Goer (@agraybee) January 11, 2019
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:20 (one week ago) Permalink
I guess we're only allowed to cheekily quote sympathetic fictional characters now
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:26 (one week ago) Permalink
Given the critical faculties of a public that is probably convinced that AOC will be donning a swirly-twirly mask any day now, I guess so.
― A Nugatory Excrescence (Old Lunch), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:37 (one week ago) Permalink