Tried the first omnibus of Valerian & Laureline (titled simply Valerian to tie in with the film), consisting of the first 3 volumes. Gave up just over half way through. I could see the improvements by the third episode and that is where many say it really begins but at the time I just couldn't hack it. I didn't hate it or anything but things about the style and the panel arrangements made it a bit offputting for me. Read the Tuomas guide and since his recommendation would require only a further 3 omnibuses, I think I'll buy those and try again later. This might be a bad idea to ignore all my warning signs but I'm just very intrigued by all this acclaim. I'm bad for buying comics in bulk and then realizing I just cant get very far with them. I try to block out my memory how much they cost.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 4 January 2019 19:06 (six months ago) link
Yeah, sadly Valerian & Laureline is your textbook example of "gets better as it progresses". It started out as an adventure comic for kids, which is obvious with the first two books. The political allegory and social commentary doesn't really kick in until the 1970s. Looking at what's included in the omnibuses, vol. 2 is already way better than vol. 1, and vol. 3 has what I would argue are the three best books in the entire series. So if you still don't like it after reading vol. 3, there's no point in buying any of the later ones, it doesn't get any better than that.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:08 (six months ago) link
And you absolutely should not buy vols 6 & 7, the diminishing quality of both the art and especially the writing is just sad. Vol 5 is borderline, IMO only one of the three books included in it ("The Living Weapons") is good, and you really don't need to follow the longer story arc beyond "The Wrath of Hypsis", which provides a decent enough finale for the series. The actual series finale ("Memories from the Futures") is just embarrassingly bad.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:14 (six months ago) link
Haha, looks like even Cinebook realised "Memories from the Futures" is bad, because it's not included in the omnibuses, the final omnibus ends with the penultimate book. Though to be fair, the penultimate book was originally supposed to be the final book, until Mezieres and Christin decided to do one more victory lap.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:19 (six months ago) link
Love Tom King's stuff and Clay Mann's a good artist, I've been reading Heroes in Crisis.Anyone read #4? It's weird that... well... there's some strangely contextualized sexualized female shots in this? Maybe it's just me, but I'm talking about the full page Lois pin-up in the Superman shirt and panties saying "What do you want me to do?" to the reader and ESPECIALLY the Batgirl confession that has her pointing out her bullet wound in an almost fetishistic fashion.If this were an everyday teen manga I probably wouldn't even notice it but it's really odd in such a serious story, isn't it?
― Nhex, Friday, 11 January 2019 00:20 (six months ago) link
I saw a few articles in the comic/pop-culture press reporting on that (one included the full Batgirl page as part of the discussion). A particular panel of Poison Ivy was also being discussed in the same context (I won't mention the specific content of the panel, as it's spoiler-y).
My "takeaway" was that I've seen more sexualized art in comics; but I've also seen, er, less sexualized art. It didn't look like something I'd want to read, anyway.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 11 January 2019 00:32 (six months ago) link
(for other reasons, artwork aside... but I also didn't care for the art.)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 11 January 2019 00:33 (six months ago) link
I didn't completely see the furore about the Batgirl page - I didn't think it was any worse than the Poison Ivy or Black Canary ones - but the Lois page, which nowhere seems to making a big deal out of that I read, was just awful.
I've actually been nearly enjoying Heroes In Crisis at the plot level, but the execution is kind of off.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Friday, 11 January 2019 10:21 (six months ago) link
heroes in crisis feels a bit like a geoff johns joint tbh which is to say, i'm not liking it
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 11 January 2019 12:23 (six months ago) link
King's style has become too self-parodic and decompressed - like he's having his own "overindulgent mid-2000s Bendis" phase.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 January 2019 15:20 (six months ago) link
And I'm not sure having stabby psychopaths and Booster doing Robin Williams in Fisher King is really the greatest way of, er, "addressing mental health issues". (I mean, for comparison's sake, look how great Stan Lee - of all people! - is at portraying depression in FF 51.)
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 January 2019 15:25 (six months ago) link
To quote Alan Moore: “None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with YOU. You're locked up in here with ME.” 🤣 https://t.co/8TCmKNJlkD— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) January 11, 2019
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 January 2019 17:32 (six months ago) link
beat me to it
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 11 January 2019 18:34 (six months ago) link
FWIW, Alan Moore said he was terrified that there were actually people out there who thought Rorschach was cool.— Elitist Dentist-Goer (@agraybee) January 11, 2019
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:20 (six months ago) link
I guess we're only allowed to cheekily quote sympathetic fictional characters now
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:26 (six months ago) link
Given the critical faculties of a public that is probably convinced that AOC will be donning a swirly-twirly mask any day now, I guess so.
― A Nugatory Excrescence (Old Lunch), Friday, 11 January 2019 19:37 (six months ago) link
Bought a two issue serialization of Kaluta's Carson Of Venus. Why bother serializing a reprint over two issues? For the variant covers probably. I think serializing reprints in floppies is madness in general.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 January 2019 20:42 (five months ago) link
I got a cut out hardcover of Annihilator by Grant Morrison and Frasier Irving last weekend. Irving's artwork is even better than the DC stuff he did with Morrison and some pages seem to be channeling some Bill Sienkiewicz during Elektra Assassin days. It's a fun read, pretty much Grant goes to Hollywood story and the multiverse reacts.
― earlnash, Saturday, 26 January 2019 20:36 (five months ago) link
I also happen to be re-reading Valis by PKD and Annihilator has two items both the "download into the mind" and "the creator god was insane, which is why the universe is f-ed up" sentiments pretty much straight from the book. It was a very PKD synchronicity.
― earlnash, Saturday, 26 January 2019 20:37 (five months ago) link
Irving's artwork is even better than the DC stuff he did with Morrison
disagree, the almost total absence of backgrounds especially makes panel-to-panel continuity a pain to try and infer
― sans lep (sic), Saturday, 26 January 2019 21:19 (five months ago) link
Irving's artwork is a bit different style, he seems to use a bunch more feathery detail work on everything. Some of the pages are also almost designed paintings with the text overlaid including the pages on the godworld and viewing the space station. Those were some of the pages that reminded me of Billy the Sink.
Can't remember if Irving colored his own artwork on the DC comics or not.
― earlnash, Saturday, 26 January 2019 21:40 (five months ago) link
I thought it was pretty fun and would read a sequel, if ever made.
― earlnash, Saturday, 26 January 2019 21:41 (five months ago) link
Need to track down the last 2 issues of Nameless, which I never got on my pull list. Did not see how that crazy story was going to wrap up in 2 issues at all, it seemed like it was setup to be a longer series to me on the first 4.
― earlnash, Saturday, 26 January 2019 21:43 (five months ago) link
I lost patience with Nameless, the body horror stuff was a bit offputting. IMO GM is much stronger at showing the horror/weirdness in the quotidian that going full oogum-boogum-horror.
I kinda hate Irving's art, I'm afraid. Klarion was fine but everything since has Bachalo-levels of unintelligibility to me, and I don't like the way he draws faces.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 28 January 2019 13:24 (five months ago) link
I know this is not exactly the right thread for this - do we have a thread for superhero movies that don't have their own thread yet? - but the news that there's going to be a Birds of Prey movie with* Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn* Jurney Smollett-Bell as Black Canary* Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Huntress* Rosie Perez as Renee Montoyahas brightened my day a bit
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:25 (five months ago) link
Formatting help you lieeeee
i'll put money on that movie never materialising
― maxwell’s silver hang suite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:28 (five months ago) link
You don't think they'll release the Birds of Prey movie they're shooting right now?
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:51 (five months ago) link
It's the next The Day the Clown Cried.
― See you later, I'm going to go take a look at this suicide robot. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:58 (five months ago) link
I knew that would happen once I heard about the subplot with Jared Leto in a concentration camp.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 15:59 (five months ago) link
St Marks Place closing next monthhttps://www.facebook.com/stmarkscomicsny/posts/1981009038615305
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:18 (five months ago) link
Huh... I lived in NYC at one point, but don’t remember a comic shop on St. Marks.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Friday, 1 February 2019 05:11 (five months ago) link
Seriously?!? That place was my store for like six years. It's very much what I think of when I think of a comic book shop.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 1 February 2019 05:13 (five months ago) link
so... if i want to give less money to amazon but my LCS is a dumpster fire (I've ordered about a dozen books this year through them that just never showed up) what's a good slightly more ethical source of comix
― Nhex, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 06:35 (five months ago) link
buying direct from the artists, or from What Things Do, or Wow Cool, or Spit And A Half (though I think he's reducing his operations?), or Emerald Comics Distro, or direct from publishers, or from comic shops that do mail order, or etc etc etc
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 08:04 (five months ago) link
Try doing that from Australia and you'll be bankrupt in a day.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:20 (five months ago) link
I pretty much used to use my tax return to clear off my comics-ordering bill for the year, before postage went completely insane 5-6 years ago.
buying Australian comics direct from the artists has pretty much been the only option in Sydney since Land Beyond Beyond closed 20-odd years ago
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:29 (five months ago) link
i looked at those but they're pretty specific to particular artists and labelslooking for more general stuff. maybe i'll just stick to midtowncomics
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 05:52 (four months ago) link
well you did just ask for more ethical sources of comics w/ no further guidelines! buying direct from the artists is usu. going to limit you to those artists’ comics, yeah
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 07:12 (four months ago) link
closing entry on the ham fisher/al capp feud on TCJ comes with a solidly intriguing theory on the grit that caused the pearl:http://www.tcj.com/hubris-and-chutzpah-how-lil-abner-kayod-joe-palooka-and-both-their-creators-came-to-grief-part-9/
Was surprised to find this on spotify btw:https://folkways.si.edu/al-capp/an-interview-with/oral-history-biography/album/smithsonianhttps://open.spotify.com/album/1eWf9BydlQx4uTfH7WodAt?si=bDnVHUCFTCmyy9ga5bpoLA
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:34 (four months ago) link
In December, Viz releases Junji Ito's adaptation of Osamu Dazai's No Longer Human. I had no idea he had done such a thing.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 23 February 2019 21:59 (four months ago) link
Gahan Wilson is suffering from advanced dementia and needs help. His wife of many decades passed away Saturday and as a result he is going to be discharged from the assisted living facility where they lived. https://www.gofundme.com/gahan-wilson-team-effortSpeaking for myself, Wilson was the first invasion of my little mind by the Weird - my uncle gave my dad a copy of And Then We’ll Get Him for Xmas when I was 7 or 8 and I imbibed it utterly, terrified and transfixed by a world of bodily instability, disease and mutation which was also, apparently, funny??? God bless this man.
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 4 March 2019 17:36 (four months ago) link
that's hugely sad to hear
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 March 2019 19:53 (four months ago) link
I'm reading Uncomfortably Happily by Yeon-sik Hong. Comics artist couple move from Seoul to the sticks and deal with career and money worries, the cold, transportation. The protagonist is an archetypal Indie Comics Dude in a way - self loathing, neurotic, frequently a dick to his wife. But despite that I'm finding the narrative likeable and engaging - also fascinated by the author's choice of doing frequent musical numbers, which surely is not what the medium of comics is best suited to.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:39 (four months ago) link
that's an interesting book but soooooooooooooooo long.but it's a biography so he's really gotta makes you feel their pain
― Nhex, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 00:54 (four months ago) link
Yeah, it's super long. I got through most of it at one sitting because I was waiting for something, otherwise I dunno if I would have had the patience.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 11:01 (four months ago) link
That Kirkman related Die!Die!Die! was not very good at all. I liked some of Chris Burhams earlier comics but man this one is gory as he!!. It's definitely trying to go over the top like something written by Garth Ennis, Millar or Hickman have done but with even less nuance.
― earlnash, Saturday, 9 March 2019 18:02 (four months ago) link
Also kinda weird that it came out through Image the same time as Gillen/Hans' Die (which I'm liking so far!)
― Nhex, Saturday, 9 March 2019 18:37 (four months ago) link
Kirkman is not very good at all
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 9 March 2019 19:01 (four months ago) link
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 12:41 (one month ago) link
I kno but other ppl scrolling might not have
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 21:30 (one month ago) link
He seems to have a sole writing credit on Phoenix Without Ashes, Chocolate Alphabet, some Heavy Metal issues and maybe some other stuff, but my curiosity wont go that far.
Forgot to mention Richard K Morgan, done a bunch of Black Widow and Crysis.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 14 June 2019 19:09 (one month ago) link
He seems to have a sole writing credit on Phoenix Without Ashes
An TV pilot teleplay from 1973 that he Smithee-ed when it was produced as a series, which was adapted into a novel by someone else in 1975, which in turn was adapted into a comic by a different someone else in 2011. The teleplay has been in and out of print since possibly February 1975.
26 one-page prose short stories that were written in public on a typewriter in a bookshop window & hung up to be read by passers-by as Ellison continued to write, printed in typeset in The Magazine Of Fantasy & Science-Fiction in 1976, and collected in Ellison's Strange Wine in 1978, before being printed in hand-lettering by Larry Todd on Last Gasp.
some Heavy Metal issues
"How's the Night Life on Cissalda?" - prose story printed in the paperback anthology Chrysalis in 1977, reprinted in Heavy Metal November 1977, collected in Ellison's Shatterday in 1980, Datlow's Alien Sex in 1990, etc.
"Croatoan" - prose story printed in The Magazine Of F&SF in 1975, collected in Ellison's Strange Wine in 1978, reprinted in Heavy Metal September 1978, analysed in King's Danse Macabre 1981.
"Flop Sweat" - prose story written in six hours to be read on the radio in 1977, printed in Heavy Metal March 1979, collected in Ellison's Shatterday in 1980.
"Santa Claus vs. S.P.I.D.E.R." - prose story printed in F&SF January 1969, collected in Ellison's The Beast Who Shouted Love At The Heart Of The World in June '69, reprinted with new introduction in Heavy Metal December 1979.
"Fear Not Your Enemies" - two-page essay about John Lennon's shooting getting more press than other famous Americans shot that day and gun control maybe being something the US should look into, published in HM March 1981, collected in Ellison's Sleepless Nights In The Procrustean Bed 1984.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 14 June 2019 21:43 (one month ago) link
but really, if you think about it, each letter of the alphabet is a pictogram, which we are reading in sequence, so words are basically comics etc etc
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 14 June 2019 21:51 (one month ago) link
I always thought Jerome Charyn's collaborations with Boucq were considered the gold standard as far as prose writers scripting comics go (never read 'em myself).
Ikki Kajiwara, writer of iconic late 60s manga like Ashita no Joe and Star of the Giants, wrote the novel that Takashi Miike's film Big Bang Love, Juvenile A was based on.
I think Tom DeHaven has written a few comics, I remember liking a short he did for RAW drawn by Richard Sala.
Tom Veitch has written novels and poetry. His collaboration with Greg Irons in the 70s produced some good, if gruesome, comix.
― gjoon1, Friday, 21 June 2019 21:52 (four weeks ago) link
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dc-closing-down-vertigo-imprints-1220225They started Ink and Zoom less than six months ago!
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 21 June 2019 22:10 (four weeks ago) link
Don't fret, DC being DC, they'll probably reinstate the lines they cancelled after another six months have elapsed. Or at least some equally clueless + dipshitty variation thereof.
― a fan of the Beetles, the Beach boys, the Monkeys (Old Lunch), Saturday, 22 June 2019 00:32 (three weeks ago) link
Ha, didn't realize this was a thing but of course it is: http://www.hasdcdonesomethingstupidtoday.com/
― a fan of the Beetles, the Beach boys, the Monkeys (Old Lunch), Saturday, 22 June 2019 00:34 (three weeks ago) link
Just read Petit (Ogre Gods Vol. 1) and wow. Is there some kind of weird French comics tradition of stories about incredibly scary giants
― Nhex, Monday, 24 June 2019 06:30 (three weeks ago) link
And so now, less than a week after shuttering Vertigo and streamlining their sub-imprints into three age-delimited lines, DC announces that Joe Hill will be running his own Vertigo-esque sub-imprint under the mature readers Black Label (a sub-sub-imprint, if you will). This is definitely the work of people with a clear vision and a firm hand on the wheel.
― Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 22:13 (three weeks ago) link
it's impressive! DC did similar shit back in 1975 if i recall correctly.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 23:26 (three weeks ago) link
it's honestly a shame because i liked the Black Label imprint idea - out of continuity, well known creators, often magazine format limited series
― Nhex, Thursday, 27 June 2019 19:41 (three weeks ago) link
Oh, Black Label will apparently still exist. It will just be housing the forthcoming Hill House line (as well as whatever lines will in time presumably be nested within that line). They're simplifying things, do u see, I cannot possibly fathom what part of this organizational structure doesn't make sense to u.
― I Ate Those Food (Old Lunch), Thursday, 27 June 2019 19:49 (three weeks ago) link
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 28 June 2019 13:14 (three weeks ago) link
IN ORIGINAL LOOSE-LEAF FORMAT!
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 28 June 2019 17:36 (three weeks ago) link
I'd been wondering about the origins of the loose-leaf format.
― I Ate Those Food (Old Lunch), Friday, 28 June 2019 17:39 (three weeks ago) link
Recommended investment: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/beehivebooks/laab-the-art-newspaper-powered-by-the-radical-imagination
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 8 July 2019 18:37 (one week ago) link
The English language edition of Maggy Garrisson from SelfMadeHero is the best hunk of comics I've read in quite some time, and the best European homage to Engerland since Jacobs' The Yellow M:
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 12:45 (one week ago) link
wow, Lewis Trondheim!
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 12:49 (one week ago) link
yeah, i fucks with anything he or anyone from l'association does
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:27 (one week ago) link
From a while back, but I re-read Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #31 - the one-shot story where Nancy and Doreen get stuck in hypertime - gotta be one of the best single issues I've read of any comic in years. Such a wonderful series.
― Nhex, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:17 (five days ago) link
Yeah, Squirrel Girl is great. Still haven't totally understood if it's getting cancelled or if the creative team just decided they were done and Marvel went "well, no point in carrying on the title then". If it's the latter that's a bit of a paradigm shift for a Big Two title, no?
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 14 July 2019 21:20 (five days ago) link
She's carrying on in Marvel Rising, I think?
And I think it happens more than one might think - Young Avengers, if I remember right, was also "well we've done what we came here to do"
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 14 July 2019 21:49 (five days ago) link
Also Erica Henderson left on interior art a little while back, still doing covers. (She's doing that Assassin Nation mini at Image right now). The current artist is fine, but definitely feels a little weird since she's essentially the co-creator of this version.
― Nhex, Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:02 (five days ago) link
I guess Sandman was cancelled after Gaiman finished?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:04 (five days ago) link
DC made it a point to "respect" him (true or not, i don't know) by not giving his Sandman/Dream/etc. to any other authors without his permission. They got his blessing for that line reboot recently iirc
― Nhex, Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:18 (five days ago) link
I wonder if after the original run was finished, if other writers would be too intimidated by the idea of following Gaiman?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:38 (five days ago) link
was thinking about what i still read from DC with any interest this year and came up with:
- Action/Superman - Bendis' schtick is starting to wear thin and I explicitly don't care about whatever this LEVIATHAN thing is supposed to be about but when they're not nattering (b)endlessly, the characters feel refreshed/classic/eager to please enough to make these fun reads for me
- Batman - With the fake wedding done, the current WAY too long running storyline has been the moment where I've soured on King's (generally impressive!) run, especially the at-least-twice-taken choice of scripting a single voice interior monologue and fluffing it with pin-up art for a filler issue. I'm increasingly sensing that King was done with bats at around issue #50 but they've made him an offer he didn't want to walk away from... maybe he's gonna do some writing work on the movie? Or they're gonna incorporate some of his themes and they want him as a continuity supervisor or something? In any case, it's been cold for a few months, but I still open a new issue hopeful.
- Flash - The immediately-happening "Year one" reboot they're doing has been surprisingly enjoyable. NB: I am a sucker for the origin stories but my interest often fades once the nostalgia's gone. Only four issues along though; so far, so good.
- Green Lantern - It's everything I'd want a sci-fi police procedural by Morrison to be: arcane, melodramatic, casually clever, obsessive in detail, fun to read in batches of three or more. I would recommend the first trade more or less unreservedly.
- Wonder Woman - G Willow Wilson is a good fit on the book. I need to do an 8 issue reread and see if she's stringing together a good long form story but she's doing well on an issue by issue basis.
And frankly that's it! I think Marvel has a much higher hit ratio at the moment which i could capitulate if asked.
Not for nothing, but I would be inclined to take the various Vertigo/Sandman offshoot books on if only anyone could recommend them. I'm not exactly dying to leap into a new series since they're canceling the imprint; it's off-putting and unclear to me if the current lineup will be folded in or canceled or re-solicited with new creative teams or?
ANYWAYS anybody reading: Books of Magic, Dreaming, Goddess Moon, House of Whispers or Lucifer?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 15 July 2019 04:10 (four days ago) link
My understanding is that the Sandman Universe and Young Animal titles will be the only surviving ongoing mature readers titles at DC and that they'll fall under the Black Label banner until some WB exec or another makes a different decision on the fly.
I've been buying the Sandman books but I haven't read them yet. Every several years, I do a readthrough of all the related material from Moore's Swamp Thing through like late-period Hellblazer and genuinely love a lot of it, so I want these new books to be good. But I've avoided reading them because I'm afraid that they might not be good. Or at least not what I want them to be. Maybe it's time to make the leap. For you, forks.
― Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 July 2019 12:12 (four days ago) link
I wonder if after the original run was finished, if other writers would be too intimidated by the idea of following Gaiman?― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, July 15, 2019 8:38 AM (fifteen hours ago)
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, July 15, 2019 8:38 AM (fifteen hours ago)
oh yeah, this DEFINITELY would have been the case
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 15 July 2019 14:55 (four days ago) link
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 15 July 2019 14:56 (four days ago) link
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 15 July 2019 14:57 (four days ago) link
Point off for missing the Thessaly miniseries - point restored because the Jeff Nicholson Dreaming issue fucking rocks.
xp okay you're in the clear, we can probably stop short of 'every cover of the Dreaming'
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:58 (four days ago) link
(each of those is the first issue of a separate commission)
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 15 July 2019 15:00 (four days ago) link
xp no repeated writers on the Dreaming covers!
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 15 July 2019 15:01 (four days ago) link
nb WitchCraft is the second mini, bcz the first one came out during Sandman
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 15 July 2019 15:05 (four days ago) link
If you're talking about the actual character of Dream (as opposed to the broader set of characters/concepts created or revived for Sandman), there actually are very few post-Gaiman instances of such. Morrison's JLA, Kiernan's run on The Dreaming, maybe a couple others.
― Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 July 2019 15:14 (four days ago) link
And frankly that's it! I think Marvel has a much higher hit ratio at the moment which i could capitulate if asked.
I think this has been the case for many years now, but tbh my Marvel pull list has been shrinking steadily through the last year or so too.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 15 July 2019 15:18 (four days ago) link
my takeaway here is that no one is currently reading any of the vertigo books
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 15 July 2019 15:35 (four days ago) link
I'm surprised it didn't hit harder. Are they no good?(Btw that Lucifer run linked above by Mike Carey was pretty solid.)
― Nhex, Monday, 15 July 2019 16:04 (four days ago) link
even if they're any good, it has been Didio policy to starve them of internal or external support
very few post-Gaiman instances of such
this was bcz Gaiman made his further work for the company contingent on the restriction of that one character
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 15 July 2019 16:25 (four days ago) link
the harder hit will come when AT&T close down the publishing division altogether, and every other publisher collapses bcz every english-language comic shop in the world goes under
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 15 July 2019 16:26 (four days ago) link
I think I've read maybe a couple issues of Lucifer and none of the others?
I must be the notional reader that only shows up for material when it's a title called Sandman that ostensibly stars that character
― untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 15 July 2019 17:06 (four days ago) link
I'm not a con person but it is perhaps interesting to note that DC will not have a discrete booth at this year's SDCC but will rather be folded into a broader WB experience. I will not be surprised at all when that entire division is rebranded WB Comics.
― Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 July 2019 17:19 (four days ago) link
they'd probably brand it in some way
branding is how you do your market segmentation, after all
― untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 15 July 2019 17:35 (four days ago) link
I read a few things by writers whose work I'd liked previously on non-work-for-hire stuff that they drew themselves, eg Terry LaBan, Bryan Talbot, Ed Brubaker, Jill Thompson, Bill Willingham, Al Davison (who did get to draw his issues). The Jeff Nicholson issue Andrew points out was essentially a colour riff on Through The Habitrails.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 15 July 2019 17:38 (four days ago) link
I wasn't meaning Sandman spinoffs, but really I didn't know if anyone else had continued the character right after in a reboot.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 July 2019 19:15 (four days ago) link
But I did know they didn't just get John Byrne or Bill Mantlo to keep the title running.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 July 2019 19:16 (four days ago) link
They really tried to get Mantlo - in the end, solidarity with Bob Budiansky was the sole reason that he declined.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 15 July 2019 19:27 (four days ago) link