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Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 14:15 (one year ago) Permalink

Marvel has fucked everything up so badly they're having to give away comics to retailers to keep their numbers up. Outside of a few major titles, the last four or five weeks I've gotten freebies that sometimes equal what I ordered.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:19 (one year ago) Permalink

vision was good - anything else [in the serial dc/marvel worlds] worth reading atm?

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:24 (one year ago) Permalink

at the thursday show last week for some reason idk why geoff rickley in between songs was like "i read some great comics this year but the best one was vision."

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:26 (one year ago) Permalink

The Young Animals stuff – Shade, Doom Patrol, Cave Carson, Mother Panic – has been surprisingly good. Marvel's new Champions with all the teen heroes looks promising. Did you read Omega Men, also by Vision writer Tom King? That was good. I liked Ant-Man. I've heard King's recent Batman arc with Bane and Catwoman was good but I haven't had a chance to check it out.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:31 (one year ago) Permalink

Ant man was by the superior foes of spider-man guy, right? Need to find it.

I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:54 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah, Ant-Man is the same writer and tone.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Milo Z- I thought Marvel were supposed to be doing well with the comics now? What went wrong?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:05 (one year ago) Permalink

They added a whole bunch of series full of nobodies and their last two major crossover events took forever because of delays and no one cared. Readers appear to be completely bored with Marvel jumping from BIGGEST STORY EVER to BIGGEST STORY EVER. They're still trying to make Inhumans happen. All the major characters are different people now (or have been recently) - Captain America is evil, Iron Man was a young woman and then Dr. Doom, I have no idea WTF is going on with Wolverine. The entire universe is incoherent unless you've read everything.

For a little while they were doing well with small story titles (Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Vision) but those sales depend on people coming in to buy the big Iron Man/Avengers/Thor titles and picking up the side stuff.

As a retailer I'm not particularly fond of DC's $2.99 pricing scheme (sales need to increase 25% per title to make up the difference in profit for $3.99 vs $2.99 and so far they have but just barely and not on some titles), but it makes Marvel look bad when most of their books are $4.99 and lower quality paper/covers.

They probably need to do some kind of true New 52/Rebirth reboot, loathe as I am to say it.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:59 (one year ago) Permalink

They propped up last year's numbers with Star Wars but those have steadily declined and they've gone to the well too many times already. There's Star Wars, Han Solo, Poe Dameron, Doctor Aphra, movie tie-ins, miniseries for C-3PO/Chewie/Leia and probably a couple more series I'm forgetting.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Both companies have introduced series that no one cares about - this week there are two Doctor Atom miniseries debuting, I ordered about 8% of what I sell with Batman/etc. and even that's probably too high. Marvel has several titles that didn't sell a single copy of the first issue (Matrix comes to mind), which is a first.

Image is screwing up with six-month gaps between issues. Every time Saga or something like that goes on hiatus, retailers lose 10-20% of buyers. Theoretically people will just wait for trades to collect issues, but big gaps just make bigger gaps for trades and people lose interest in those too. They haven't had a Saga-level hit in quite a while, either.

In good stuff, the DC Hanna Barbera series are pretty good. I really like the Flintstones and the Scooby Doo titles are still fun.

I'm doing okay with numbers barely holding steady on comics by selling more board games/etc. and bringing in comic-related products that are different from other people near me and not the usual Pop figurine stuff you can get at Hot Topic.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:07 (one year ago) Permalink

What happened with Southern Bastards? That barely seems to come out anymore.

Mordy, re: Marvel - Black Widow is excellent. The Thor comics are still worth reading but you'd have to start from 2013 to figure out what's going on.

Also pains me to say but I don't think they're getting the best out of Al E - I miss him on Loki and Mighty Avengers.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 13:39 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah.

The constant title shuffling/soft reboots were something I was willing to ignore when they roughly lined up with plot arcs, but the Civil War 2 bullshit just dropped into the middle of Al's Ultimates title and it broke me.

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 13:52 (one year ago) Permalink

They probably need to do some kind of true New 52/Rebirth reboot, loathe as I am to say it.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:59 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They just did basically this a little over a year ago.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 13:53 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm Mr. Marvel Apologist but gaddam they really do need to cut it out with the constant ginormous mega-events for a while. After Onslaught, there was like a ten-year gap until their next big line-wide crossover, at which point they began to ratchet it up until they were perpetually transitioning from one crossover into the next. Al's work is a perfect example of something that gets ground up in the machine. Mighty Avengers ran for a little over a year and was tied up in three separate crossovers and was immediately followed by Captain America and the Mighty Avengers...which began and ended its equally-short run as part of two more crossovers.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 13:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Isn't it encouraging that big crossover events aren't doing well anymore? I assumed Marvel had mostly stopped that years ago.

How much does comic store sales reflect their overall comic sales?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 14:05 (one year ago) Permalink

Last year's Secret Wars had 100+ tie=in issues. This year's Civil War II probably came pretty close to that. They've only gotten more out of control over the past decade.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 14:13 (one year ago) Permalink

xp No one knows, because their official line is that comic store sales are the only ones they count

I don't wish milo or any other comic shop owner ill will and like that comic shops exist, but Marvel's insistence that sales of individual issues is only metric that counts isn't helping their company. I saw Brian Bendis going on about it on twitter -- basically "If you like a title, buy it in a comic shop in single issues or it might get cancelled!" -- which sounds like something that'd come more from a corporate rep than a writer.

If people like buying trades or digital copies, figure out how to make money on it?

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 14:20 (one year ago) Permalink

I honestly don't understand why Marvel isn't making more of a push toward GNs or why they're using floppy sales to basically subsidize the digital side of things.

Maybe this should move over to the blabbery thread as I'm guessing this thread was meant for non-big two books.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 14:31 (one year ago) Permalink

The industry (in the States) is dependent on weekly foot traffic in stores to an unhealthy degree, right? Even premiere publishers that don't put out many floppies ride the coattails of the superhero publishers who manage to pull people out of their houses every Wednesday. (said the guy who hasn't been in a comic shop in 5+ years and may have no idea what he's talking about)

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 14:42 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't know if it's unhealthy degree or necessary - there are too many titles to rely on much other than foot traffic to discover them.

Alternatives to the direct market haven't taken off because comic fans want sub services and expect their comics in near-mint condition with cheap bags and boards, not beaten up newsstand copies. Digital sales are flat or down for whatever reason (partially because 'browsing' Comixology, like Amazon, kind of blows for just discovering stuff?)

I honestly don't understand why Marvel isn't making more of a push toward GNs

They do? Publisher writes for trades now - every storyline and storyline-within-storyline is designed to fit in a trade collecting 4-6 issues and make sense as a collection.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:41 (one year ago) Permalink

They just did basically this a little over a year ago.

The pre/post-Secret Wars universe made confusion worse - so Thor's a woman, wait back to the Thor we've known, shit is that Loki as Thor, etc.. Multiple different Hulks, Iron Mans, etc..

I'm talking about a back to square one, all the major characters are the one people know them to be, clear and distinct break kind of reboot. Take that opportunity to stop doing giant crossovers with diminishing returns, especially stop doing the smaller crossovers no one gives a crap about.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:45 (one year ago) Permalink

xpost

I thought Old Lunch meant 'original' graphic novels, where the content has not been previously published in floppies.

Darcy Sarto (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:49 (one year ago) Permalink


Isn't it encouraging that big crossover events aren't doing well anymore? I assumed Marvel had mostly stopped that years ago.

Oh, no, Marvel has at least three "major" crossover events/year.

How much does comic store sales reflect their overall comic sales?

Comic shops represent 95+% of their single issue sales.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:50 (one year ago) Permalink

Image is screwing up with six-month gaps between issues.

this really annoys me as I've mostly been reading Image series. Why do they do this? It makes it seem like the people creating these are really lazy and need frequent vacations. Most issues take about 5 minutes to get through, you'd think they'd be able to consistently knock one out on a monthly basis.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:56 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't mind the gap with Saga and WicDiv, seems to have kept the quality up.

Civ War 2 Is such a fucking incoherent mess, i genuinely wonder how a book like that gets produced. It's so loveless and awful. It's the most DC book Marvel have produced.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:20 (one year ago) Permalink

WicDiv has only had a one-month gap, during which the latest TPB came out, in fairness.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:27 (one year ago) Permalink

I thought Old Lunch meant 'original' graphic novels, where the content has not been previously published in floppies.

― Darcy Sarto (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, January 4, 2017 10:49 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, that's what I meant. They've only done this a handful of times over the past several years. And then they also do things like drop a random 100-page floppy of Deadpool instead of seeing how a squarebound OGN featuring a popular character might sell in a Barnes & Noble. Makes no sense.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Where is Marvel selling those cheap Timely Comics line (if they're still doing it)? I only saw them solicited as a comic book shop thing, which makes no sense, really

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:33 (one year ago) Permalink

They do a lot of things that make no sense! Another I just thought of: the Star Wars comics are such huge sellers, right? The ones that fill in the gaps between movies and have top-tier creative teams? Soooo why not do something similar and less perfunctory with the MCU tie-ins? Make them must-buy event comics instead of a tossed-off thing you seem almost ashamed to publish?

Clearly they need me to handle this shit for them. I'll keep waiting by the phone.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:41 (one year ago) Permalink

Do regular bookstores order through Diamond? I always assumed they didn't but I don't actually know.

I'd imagine for an ongoing series that buying individual issues makes a difference but for most of the miniseries it has to be predecided that they're doing a collection. A writer said about Darkhorse that they're still making more money from serializing comics first so that's the reason they're not all graphic novels.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:58 (one year ago) Permalink

I mean making more money from doing both.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:00 (one year ago) Permalink

I thought Disney whipped Marvel Comics into a better business. Why are they standing by and watching this (assuming Disney really are as savvy as they seem).

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:02 (one year ago) Permalink

I still go into comic shops occasionally so I don't know how I totally missed all this mega event stuff. All I hear about is Ms Marvel, Vision, Devil Dinosaur and a few other things.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:05 (one year ago) Permalink

while i have a great deal of affection for independent comic book shops, there's part of me that thinks of them in about the same way i think of radio shack.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:14 (one year ago) Permalink

Disney wrested control of Marvel Studios from Ike Perlmutter but he's still in charge (for now) of the rest of the enterprise, afaik.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:15 (one year ago) Permalink

my sense since more or less iron man's success is that marvel could give a fuck about the books as anything but feeder tubes for movie/tv ip

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:48 (one year ago) Permalink

I haven't read anything post-Secret Wars (didn't even finish that one) but it's disappointing to hear that it hasn't worked out creatively. I would much rather see these kinds of crazy reboots in the wake of giant events with new (well, "new" characters) than the same old shit they do every time.

Nhex, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:14 (one year ago) Permalink

continuity is a harsh bitch goddess

and it's ruined the big two imo

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:16 (one year ago) Permalink

I haven't made it that far, either, but I'd guess that part of the problem is that the two biggest Marvel Now world-builders (Hickman and Remender) split once Secret Wars was over.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:19 (one year ago) Permalink

Continuity (the Sisyphean, Icarusian task of hundreds of people trying to maintain something resembling a coherent story over the course of decades) is a large part of the reason I'm such a Marvel stan.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:22 (one year ago) Permalink

A "all major characters are who you remember them being" reboot would decimate Marvel's claims of diversity, I think. They're almost all legacy characters.

The good thing about Marvel crossovers is they tend to be less metaphysical, so often enough my fav titles get away unscathed barring an incomprehensible tie-in issue or two.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:22 (one year ago) Permalink

xpost That said, the point where I'm currently at (post-Original Sin and Axis) is so riddled with inconsistencies that it's driving me a little nuts.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:24 (one year ago) Permalink

Is there some master editorial plan where if they need to modify the X-Men in some way (kill Wolverine, have them fight the Inhumans) they just hand it over to Charles Soule? I feel like his desk (or a phone that calls him directly) is right outside the room where Perlmutter shoots down good ideas and he's on contract just to write these direction-steering things.

There was also that point in time where Matt Fraction was supposed to be writing the Inhuman(s) book and he announced Marvel decided to go in a different direction before Soule started writing it.

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:25 (one year ago) Permalink

I checked out a random trade of this teen series Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur which was cute and charming but also forcefully tied into some kind of Inhumans event

Nhex, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:25 (one year ago) Permalink

Forgot another that Marvel seems to be doing well - Doctor Strange seems like a really solid title right now (but I'm six issues behind).

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:26 (one year ago) Permalink

They haven't drained all the creative juices out of Jason Aaron, yet

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:27 (one year ago) Permalink

re: Disney, Marvel Comics would barely be a blip on their balance sheet even run incredibly well. They're probably happy enough using it to farm IP.

Two or three indie publishers have opened up recently who seem to exist entirely to elicit movie interest. Predictably, this has not worked well.

Valiant is doing things well - good art, they keep trades in production and series on schedule, etc.. I just can't get people interested, unfortunately.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:30 (one year ago) Permalink

I'd advocate for most of the Valiant stuff. They seem to be on a similar schedule to some of the Image stuff where they run a title for a while and then it goes on hiatus, though.

mh 😏, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:42 (one year ago) Permalink

Quite surprised they got off the ground again. I thought Jim Shooter's reputation would scare everyone away.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:59 (one year ago) Permalink

I just got DC's collection of Viking Prince by Joe Kubert. It is recolored with solid filling but it's not too bright and all in all it looks pretty good.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 December 2017 20:59 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Re: Steranko's politics on alt-right thread. Somehow comic creators being on social media is still very strange to me. You did used to hear weird things about them before internet was huge but I still cant wrap my head around all these guys being so accessible. I wonder what it would be like if I was a young fan today.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 December 2017 21:08 (eleven months ago) Permalink

sounds like the bad side of it, but they also get unprecedented access to them compared to con meet-ups and letters pages

Nhex, Saturday, 16 December 2017 06:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Maybe part of the strangeness is that aside from comics journal, comics coverage and interviews tended to be very shallow and uncontroversial.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 16 December 2017 15:34 (eleven months ago) Permalink

But I actually haven't really seen many mainstream guys talking among themselves. John Byrne could be a bit nutty on his forum (is he still around?)

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 16 December 2017 15:38 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I read through the first four WicDiv trades recently and wasn't crazy about it either. I couldn't get interested in much of what happens after the first arc. McKelvie's art, though good, is a bit too clean and neat for my taste as well (most character faces are remarkably spotless, and he mostly draws teenagers...); I read a few reviews saying the third book suffers from guest artists, but I actually found them a welcome relief.

Duane Barry, Sunday, 17 December 2017 00:46 (eleven months ago) Permalink

there is something about it that seems a little to sterile, but I want to catch up with the newer books when I get a chance

mh, Sunday, 17 December 2017 01:13 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I somehow missed the news that DC had moved beyond furrowed brows and gravely-serious assertions that they'd totally look into these disturbing allegations that they'd already been aware of and ignoring for years to actually firing Eddie Berganza. Clearly, WB execs are the real heroes.

Encyclopedia Beige and the Case of the Bland Sandwich (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:23 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Been enjoying this blog a bit. From the guy who wrote the Regrettable Superheroes and Supervillains books.

What you make of his Gaiman assessment?

http://gone-and-forgotten.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/31-days-of-halloween-90-from-90s-part.html

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 22:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

eh. didn't like. far too reductive imo

Nhex, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 23:20 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Probably, I've found a few statements to be a bit reductive but I think mocking comedy is part of the design of his blog and books.

But the thing that caught me was about Gaiman as one of those people who always talks about the power and magic of stories, which I've never found as profound or interesting as its supposed to be.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 23:35 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Bradbury was one of the only writers I can think of who rhapsodized about that AND was great

I would never REALLY sign your death warrant! You're my-- my DOG! (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 23:40 (eleven months ago) Permalink

And even then not always successful

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 21 December 2017 00:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink

"Highly literate writer without ultimately much to say" is mean but probably accurate.

The stuff about Gaiman as originator-of-grimdark is nonsense though.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 21 December 2017 01:17 (eleven months ago) Permalink

dang, i need to read that whole website now.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 21 December 2017 05:34 (eleven months ago) Permalink

sorry nope, the trash '90s will not be redeemed

Nhex, Thursday, 21 December 2017 08:03 (eleven months ago) Permalink

He's not trying to redeem it, he's mostly making fun of it.

The dialogue quotes are funny (although not quite as good as "what an octopus of a thing").
I knew Neal Adams had his own ideas about evolution but I didn't know about his expanding earth theory.

This is what appeals to me about those Continuity comics...

Knighthawk showcases the one thing Continuity was doing which made it resemble the comics of the Golden Age – it had the same reckless, breathlessly piled-on, anything-goes invention of the old comics of the 30s and 40s, when nothing was too ridiculous to fly. Please to keep in mind that almost all of the comics released back then were meant for eight-year olds and were terrible to boot.

I like that more than most other modern approaches to superheroes.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 21 December 2017 11:35 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Remember, when designing an ensemble cast or team, you want a variety of body shapes and fashion sensibilities. Ideally, each character should be immediately recognizable even in silhouette. pic.twitter.com/8e4JwEghZY

— Kurt Busiek Resists (@KurtBusiek) December 19, 2017

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 21 December 2017 12:38 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i would buy a CHICKEN one-shot

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 21 December 2017 17:24 (eleven months ago) Permalink

In the comic shop yesterday I realized a little bit of body odor can actually smell pretty good.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 22 December 2017 20:53 (eleven months ago) Permalink

That interview seems badly chopped down. Wasn't sure precisely what her shop's arrangement is with comic creators.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 22 December 2017 21:25 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Read the first volume of Kaijumax, what a really fucked up prison story. I regret it.

Nhex, Monday, 25 December 2017 09:25 (eleven months ago) Permalink

That history of Continuity is hilarious. Thanks for the link!

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 25 December 2017 14:08 (eleven months ago) Permalink

belated christmas tidings
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/judge-dredd-comics

yessss

mh, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 20:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Those Continuity comics articles helped me realise what I'm looking for is comics written by Jaden and Willow Smith with a good artist.

http://www.wearecomplicated.net/2017/12/alternative-manga-gekiga-recommendations.html

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 20:37 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Re: hardcover talk from a few months ago. Yes, it is insane that Yoe books are considered the cheap-ass option, I've been buying a few and they add up to a lot.
Who insists that everything be in hardcover? Are these people carrying these through lengthy travels and hoping they'll outlive their own greatgreatgreat grandchildren?
Why not make them 20% hardcover 80% paperback?

I've been trying to make a habit of frequenting the art & photography section of waterstones and the hardcover domination is even worse there. Everything good is between 25-60 pounds. I bought a very nice David Jones book today, I was expecting it to cost 20 or 25 pounds but it was 40. How is anyone supposed to make a habit of buying these books without resorting to Amazon? It's fucking crazy.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:44 (eleven months ago) Permalink

weight=importance

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:48 (eleven months ago) Permalink

"Those Continuity comics articles helped me realise what I'm looking for is comics written by Jaden and Willow Smith with a good artist."

Image has put out some pretty wacky scifi comics over the past few years.

earlnash, Friday, 29 December 2017 00:52 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I initially was kind of intrigued but

is Ales Kot’a writing kind of derivative and boring?

mh, Friday, 29 December 2017 01:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Ales Kot’s, that is

mh, Friday, 29 December 2017 01:10 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Agree. He has the same effect on me as Warren Ellis. I dig the fruitiness but find reading him a struggle.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 29 December 2017 01:50 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I'm undecided on Ales Kot. He's definitely heavily-referential wrt works/creators that are not often referenced in mainstream comics, which can be cool in moderation but which has limited mileage if you aren't bringing enough of yourself to the table to offset it (see also: Marguerite Bennett's Marvel work, which repeatedly pulls me out of the story with all the fourth wall-breaking 'guys, I just alluded to another work of classical literature!' on every other page).

Encyclopedia Beige and the Case of the Bland Sandwich (Old Lunch), Friday, 29 December 2017 01:52 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I think Ellis does some good straightforward plot work now, not just the mad doctor giggling as he throws out *real truth* or things he finds intriguing at the page. I think he’s kind of deep into the stage where he wants to make things screen-worthy

Kot was kind of fun in a way where I didn’t mind the lack of plot coherence or point but now it’s a slog through having half an idea and throwing interesting things he’s read in a haphazard way on the page and what should be interesting is just a boring exercise. There’s not a “do you see?!?” point, even

mh, Friday, 29 December 2017 01:57 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I read the two Zero tpbs. There was some segments and parts that were really interesting but that comic is so all over the f-ing place, it turned into a big mess.

Warren Ellis has some projects where he is just trying stuff out, but he's got a pretty solid bibilography of good comic work over the years. I'm sure Kot probably is a fan of him or not... I'm probably a trade behind but The Trees and Injection were both pretty good reads, just hopefully Ellis FINISHES the darn story.

Prophet by Brandon Graham and quite a few artists is one of the better scifi books that Image has done. It's got just boodles of good weirdness compared to that Zero comic.

Drifter is also a strange scifi comic. I don't half know what is going on, but I have liked it enough to play along.

Problem that scifi comics have is similar to crime comics, it's kinda hard to compare to the bunches of crazy novels out there in those genres. You got to either have some serious visual flair or a really good story. The thing about many of these scifi comics is that they seem to often be a mash of other movies/manga etc.

earlnash, Friday, 29 December 2017 02:27 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i have disappeared into the endless forest of hajime no ippo which, only 25 of 118 tankōbon in, is clever and fun and beautifully drawn and compelling and thank god only occasionally despairingly racist/homobphobic/sexist
fanlation is VERY rough but the real joy is found in the epic one hundred page boxing matches.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 29 December 2017 03:06 (eleven months ago) Permalink

in between though, I've found a few other things worth recommending:
- Steve Skroce's Maestros which reads like a lost alt-universe new x-men and boasts impressive quitely/darrow aping art
- Head Lopper wrapped up its second arc very welll
- Gaby Bell's Everything is Flammable is a great diary
- Paolo Bacilieri's Fun is a great story done in Matt Howarth style
- new Locas shorts in L+R are primo as per always
- Michel Fiffe's Zegas is good enough that i probably need to retry Copra; it never clicked for me

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 29 December 2017 03:16 (eleven months ago) Permalink

King has completely found his stride with Batman btw, the current Supes/Bats Lois/Catwoman storyline is excellent

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 29 December 2017 03:17 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I'm also enjoying King's Batman run, but can't tell if he's in a groove or just repeating pleasant shtick.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 29 December 2017 03:45 (eleven months ago) Permalink

xp i concur. randomly read those two issues, loved it. need to catch up on the preceding storylines

Nhex, Friday, 29 December 2017 03:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink

definitely enjoy Brandon Graham, his stuff has always had an idea of what he’s going for, and you get some level of investment in all of it, the goofy cat/cheesecake stuff include pd

mh, Friday, 29 December 2017 04:08 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Kot ['s work] seemed up himself, smug for references, and poor reading when I looked at it four years ago

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 29 December 2017 10:36 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Latest Trondheim (reading in French) is his usual slice-of-life slacker stuff but with a sci-fi twist. Digging so far.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 29 December 2017 11:50 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Image has put out some pretty wacky scifi comics over the past few years.

― earlnash, Friday, 29 December 2017 00:52

ODY-C looked really odd but I wasn't into the art enough.

I bought Arclight recently. Churchland is talented but there's something not working for me, maybe I'll know what when I have another look.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 29 December 2017 13:03 (eleven months ago) Permalink

wouldn't mind hearing more about that trondheim. what's it called?

Also, it's my hobbyhorse, but anyone into fantasy sci-fi who hasn't read "Donjon"/"Dungeon" really should!

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 29 December 2017 15:04 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I got halfway and took a (too long) break, so I'm gonna have to start from the beggining again, which is not a tragedy. This years resolution is to finish Dungeon and 20th century boys finally.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 29 December 2017 15:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

wouldn't mind hearing more about that trondheim. what's it called?

It's a new Lapinot (McConey) album, called Un Monde Un Peu Meilleur. Main plot is Lapinot and his buddy make the acquaintance of a guy who works as a test subject for competing pharmaceutical companies (which is illegal) and as a result of taking too many different meds can see people's auras. I really enjoyed it, especially the beautiful Paris backgrounds - Trondheim has the mix of fanciness and dirt of that city down to a t. It's also very Paris 2017, as at some point in the plot there's a punch-up including some Arab characters and this immediatley gets misconstrued as a terrorist attack - cue shock attack troops, news crews reporting false rumours, leftist protesters jeering at said news crews and some bigoted idiot showing up w/ a plan to lure them out with bacon perfumes.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 30 December 2017 12:18 (eleven months ago) Permalink

the mcconeys are good! wish fanta had kept up with releasing them.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 30 December 2017 15:16 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Rolling comic book thread 2018

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 January 2018 19:14 (eleven months ago) Permalink


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