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Not-so-idle question for the regulars here: for the last few weeks I've been trying to win the cover connections contest that Steven Grant runs in his Permanent Damage column at Comic Book Resources. The reward for winning, apart from bragging rights and one's name in the column, is that Grant runs a mention/advert for a website of one's choice. Is it cool if, assuming I can win one of these things, I have him mention ILC? Or are y'all happier to have this remain the secret clubhouse for ILX0rs who love comics to hang out in? I doubt much would come of it anyway, but I don't want to destroy ILC by accident in doing a shout out. Thoughts?

― Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 08:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Since Permenent Damagae probably does not get too many mentalists I would not mind. Rubbish trolls are unlikely to invade, and we might pick up new debators.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 09:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree, CBR as a whole doesn't tend to get Newsarama-style twats so this could be a good thing.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 09:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I've told some old comic fan friends about this place. I wouldn't be terribly keen on ads in Comics International as I'd fear being overrun with people who don't have anything much to say beyond the coolness of Wolverine, but this isn't some sort of secret.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 10:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the idea of people wondering whether a publicly accessible website findable by google should be kept secret or not.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, what the Vicar said. Bring 'em in - we need people to make fun of, anyway!

(To those reading this from the future: I AM KIDDING sort of.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Shockingly, we are #1 when you Google for LUDATITS.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

What's #2?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Also ILC. Same for #3 and #4.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:58 (eighteen years ago) link

The way I see it, we were visited by Rich Johnston = WE MADE IT BABY!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

We are only google #4 for "Black Lois Lane"

― Mark C (Markco), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

And let us not forget about Frank Espinosa...

― iodine (iodine), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Woooooooooooord.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

PS - ROCKETO IS WICKED!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4197_180x270.jpg

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link

KUH, TUO TAHT TUC NOW!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, so so so close.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway, when's Will Brooker coming?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to make sure the place is presentable.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the idea of people wondering whether a publicly accessible website findable by google should be kept secret or not.

Well, there's a difference between being Googleable and being linked directly to and advertised for, which, as far as I can tell, is only being done off the main page of Freaky Trigger and nowhere else. So I thought I'd ask first, rather than run the risk of changing the character of the board without everybody's consent. Since I haven't seen any nays, I'll go for it. I think I might have won this week's contest, but since Grant's internet connection is currently very dicey, I haven't heard back from him yet. More as the situation develops.

― Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 29 September 2005 08:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Plenty of people link to ILX boards from their sites etc., there's no law against it! No reason for ILC to be any different, we have enough of a 'culture' by now to absorb new people quite easily I think.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 29 September 2005 08:15 (eighteen years ago) link

What was the connection between the seven covers? I thought it might have been something to do with titles being more successful under renaming by another company, but wasn't sure.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 29 September 2005 09:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Has Will Brooker's brother shown up here at all? I can't recall.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, I think he has. Also I think you know he has :)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

No, I couldn't recall if he has ever been on ILC.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 29 September 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Will Brooker has a brother????

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 29 September 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

We're done now.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 29 September 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure the connection this week was that every issue contained at least one story by a writer who was also a novelist. One of the comics has a story written by Alfred Bester, the Heavy Metal has stuff by Michael Moorcock and Norman Spinrad, there's a comic with a text feature by Mickey Spillaine, Steve Englehart and Denny O'Neil turned out to have written novels, etc. (the GCD was a big help this week). Still haven't heard back, though...

― Chris F. (servoret), Friday, 30 September 2005 04:14 (eighteen years ago) link

More Cover Challenge madness. As usual, one I thought was tough was answered almost instantly. This week's winner is Christopher Freiberg who correctly "guessed" the theme was comics written by writers who were also novelists: Alfred Bester in CAPTAIN MARVEL ADVENTURES, Denny O'Neil in CHARLTON PREMIERE (in addition to his DC novels, Denny also wrote a paperback original, THE BITE OF MONSTERS, which I've still got around here somewhere), Mickey Spillane in DICK COLE, Michael Moorcock in HEAVY METAL (Christopher points out Norman Spinrad was published in that issue, too, which I'd completely missed), Steve Englehart (his novel was THE POINT MAN in COYOTE, science fiction novelist Edmond Hamilton in THE BLACK TERROR and Max Allan Collins in MS. TREE. I swear, it's like he had my room bugged. But then, in the midst of ISP problems (since solved) and my computer crisis, I never notified him that he had won. Christopher, you won! Let me know what you want to pimp.

Anyone want to contribute a short blurb promoting the board?

― Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 6 October 2005 06:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I Love Comics - The Home Of Ludatits.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 6 October 2005 08:21 (eighteen years ago) link

just say that We Love Comics Apart From Black Lightning

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 6 October 2005 08:22 (eighteen years ago) link

haha sorry i thought this competition was set by Tony Isabella

what the fuck is steven grant 'famous' for writing apart from the Punisher?

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 6 October 2005 08:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I Love Comics - half Brits reminiscing about giant scorpions, half Americans reminiscing about Batman's boner.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 6 October 2005 08:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Comics Are Rubbish But We Love Them Anyway

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 October 2005 08:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I Love Comics - Captain America commands them to WANK.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 6 October 2005 09:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and Chris did win, so i guess we will get pimped.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=10

Read and weep, especially as much of the column is about the perils of building your own computah.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 6 October 2005 10:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the glorious ILX tradition of slagging off the places we get mentioned, cf. the Guardian every time, they love it really the slags.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 October 2005 10:09 (eighteen years ago) link

"does what it says on the cover"? It's a bit lame, I suppose.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 6 October 2005 10:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Good things about ILC (for real):

- it doesn't take comics that seriously but it does like them.
- no icons and sigfiles!
- we like Grant Morrison but we don't actually want to be him
- ditto Ellis, Bendis, Millar
- your gateway to a world of ILX pain
- the occasional bit of great insight
- we honestly WOULD like some threads that aren't about Marvel, DC, 2000AD etc. Honest!

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 October 2005 10:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, look at all the time we spend "loving" comics.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 6 October 2005 10:31 (eighteen years ago) link

We are the people who buy Mary Jane, Plastic Man and a hundred other cancelled titles.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 6 October 2005 10:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I Love Comics - We think Tintin is better than Watchmen.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 6 October 2005 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I Love Comics - just don't ask us to do a poll

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 6 October 2005 11:24 (eighteen years ago) link

It Is Important that I Spend The Next 24 Hours ... On I LOVE COMICS!!!!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

ILC - Spiritual home of the post-ironic nerd.

― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link

ILC - Spiritual home of the Ultimate Future Shock

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

ILC - Where We're STILL Waiting For WILL BROOKER!!!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

um hello, isn't a blurb more like a paragraph than a single strapline ?

(not that they aren't funny and all)

― Mark C (Markco), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I Love Comics - just don't ask us to do a poll

Hahahaha

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I Love Comics - Where Dan Perry Is BANNED!!!1!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Skipping 5 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

We also love to pick on Aquaman. The fucking pussy.

xpost

― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link

BTW, Aldo, FWIW, that works just fine for me, go w/ God, and get that sent before you add the 'Aquaman = soggy puss' thing.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Chris F, are you reading?

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

ILC: Not to be confused with I Love Cooking, which actually has three R!ch Johnston posts.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link

ILC: The funniest board on ILX but rarely excelsiored.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, to live in a world where goofing on John Byrne & Chuck Austen & FOOTBRANES garners world-wide roffles.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link

ILC: Black Lois Lane. Enough Said.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and btw, Congrats Chris!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Please Let Me Drown Before I Love Comics Gets Me

We're about the other end of the spectrum from the Engine, which I quickly realised was a good place to go if I needed A NAGGING (which is sometimes the case) but not actually that much fun. Nobody's just a wannabe on ILC, we're all already famous for being famous!

― Vic Fluro (Vic Fluro), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

We are? Then fuck all y'all! JOEY Q - I'm ready for my closeup!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, some of us are has-beens, albeit on a tiny scale!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

is there any other scale in comics?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Have you see the BOOBIES, Huk?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

scale of fame, I should have said.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Have you see the BOOBIES, Huk?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

(2 seconds away from posting the Tyra/JLH montage)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you think Superman ever uses his X-ray vision to call out falsies?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

When you typed "uses", did you actually mean "stops using"?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

JLH = Justice League of ... Holland? Windmill Man, Clog Girl, Tulip Woman and other imaginative non-stereotypes. Haha, Dyke Girl.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Tulip Woman! Oh dear.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

FAST AND BULBOUS

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Dyke Girl's slogan: Don't try to put a finger in me, boy!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

"Ho, villain! Tremble before the awesome might of my tulips! Okay, stop sniggering. I mean it! And Dyke Girl, so help me, if you're making those winking gestures behind my back again, I'm going to give you such a smack..."

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Little Dutch Boy : Dyke Girl :: Catwoman : Batman

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link

are you reading?

I am now. Thanks for the response-- the efforts so far have been highly amusing, if not altogether successful. I don't think that "We're about the other end of the spectrum from the Engine" is apt enough of a description on its own as it might give the impression that we're more "mainstream" than we really are, while "We think Tintin is better than Watchmen" is probably just as applicable to the snootier and more envious denizens of the Comics Journal's board. I'm tempted to go with "Comics Are Rubbish But We Love Them Anyway" just because it amuses me, but maybe we'd be better served by a straighter/copy-ready one or two sentence boil down of the points on Tom and aldo's summaries, leaving out in-jokes and warning about ILX addiction? If no one else steps up to the task, I'll try to pound something out for vetting here tomorrow.

what the fuck is steven grant 'famous' for writing apart from the Punisher?

Who said he was famous, and why should it matter? He's a working professional-- it's not like they were going to get Alan Moore to write for them every week. (Ellis actually used to be the other columnist at CBR, before he went off to concentrate on his own interweb stuff.) I actually like Grant much better as a columnist than as a comic book writer (Badlands, his other big claim to fame, wasn't really my cup of tea) and I don't think that I'm the only one out there who feels that way.

― Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 6 October 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Grant is a terrific columnist, and quite instructive on the nuts and bolts of making comics much like someone who finds maths hard is a better maths teacher. That said, I mainly read it for the political stuff which is even better.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I kind of started this to be a 'great jumping-on point for new readers' so to speak. Assuming it gets populated!

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 10 October 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I e-mailed Grant yesterday, but I'm not sure if any of the blurb will actually be included in the column-- I might have misremembered what he did for past mentions. It'll be interesting to see if anyone shows up.

― Chris F. (servoret), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:07 (eighteen years ago) link

The Blurb is in. Everyone be on yr best behaviour, company's coming.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Can you bung us a link to the blurb, Huk?

― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

The blurb is down near the bottom of the col:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=10

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Nice and succinct.

― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG I BURNT THE POTROAST! *shame*

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy shit, I'm chatty today-- I must be trying to make up for the lack of new contributors all by myself! Well, OK, actually I'm just letting fly on a lot of stuff I was sitting on for a while, in between writing my midterms. Sorry if it's boring, but the nice thing about densely (un)formatted blocks of text is that it's a disincentive to read them, I guess. Mea culpa-- I'm not out to 44r0n Hz the board down or anything.

Anyway, I was going to say that I'm sort of glad that there was no result from this. I mean, at least nothing bad happened as a result. Can anyone tell me if there was any traffic at all as a result of the link? I'm curious as to how many people actually follow the recommendations from Grant's column now (I know that I usually don't, so I suppose the outcome should have been no surprise).

― Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I CERTAINLY DID NOT FOLLOW ANY LINKS FROM CBR TO HERE. WHY, I HAVE BEEN HERE ALL ALONG. ahem.

― Jeff Roberts (J. Roberts), Thursday, 27 October 2005 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link

It has been a bit busier lately.

― chap who would dare to spy on his best mate's ex (chap), Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I blame amphetamines.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Chris I remember when ILX was going to be featured in the Guardian (national UK newspaper) for the first time and there was enormous paranoia and feelings we shd be on our best/worst behaviour (views varied) and great anticipation and then we got absolutely nobody new from it.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

What did the Guardian have to say?

― chap who would dare to spy on his best mate's ex (chap), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"Biff! Bang! Pow! Internet Message Boards aren't just for kids"

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Bless you, Jeff. That actually occurred to me when I was reading you on the other threads just now-- glad to have you here!

Awesome story, Tom. I wonder how many people even did a look-thru, though! I was a bit miffed when last week in his column Grant started bitching about how there's no substantial critical content about comics on message boards. "Tell them Chris and I sent you", indeed-- did he just look at the New Answers page and then split? Ergh!

I blame amphetamines.

In my case, I blame not wanting to write my paper about Kant...

― Chris F. (servoret), Friday, 28 October 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I first came to ILX after reading that piece in the Guardian, actually. It was all about ILM though, ILC didn't even exist yet back in those days of innocence...

Though, by now its easily my favourite comics board.

― David N (David N.), Friday, 28 October 2005 01:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha on the day the article appeared, Mark C (not the current MarkC, the golden age one) started a thread on "The Guardian, Classic or Dud?"

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 28 October 2005 09:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it just me, or does Steven Grant's challenge this week have more than a hint of WHAT ILC HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS WEEK about the answer?

Steven, show yourself!

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 4 November 2005 08:54 (eighteen years ago) link

They're all inoffensively mediocre?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

That Aquaman cover is NICE!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Aquaman used to have great covers.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.eskimo.com/~tegan/aqua/pics/cvr1962/a1cvr53.jpg

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

(have we ever had a thread where we enjoy Aquaman covers?)

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

(we do now)

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

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