have TMNT ever died?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 17:47 (five years ago) link
apparently they sort of killed Donatello for a few issues
― Number None, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 17:56 (five years ago) link
gonna have to say it’s no mistake to not know there was a remake of Secret Wars
― sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:06 (five years ago) link
It's not a really remake of SW, more like a Marvel version of Crisis on Infinite Earths. And it was quite good, better than almost any other big crossover Marvel or DC have ever done, including CoIE and the original Secret Wars.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:14 (five years ago) link
Shit, it just occurred to me: was Black Panther among the deceased 50% in Infinity Gauntlet? That would take him out of the running, if so.
I just checked my omnibus, and yeah, he was among them. After Thanos's fingersnap they have a scene at the Avengers headsquarters where a video wall shows images of all missing superheroes, and T'Challa is one of them.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:21 (five years ago) link
Though if IC deaths also count, pretty much all the heroes who survived the fingersnap die in the later fight against Thanos. I think Silver Surfer, Starfox, Warlock & co, Dr. Strange, and Hulk are the only ones who survive, maybe a couple of others too?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:24 (five years ago) link
IC = IG
i feel like hembeck has died multiple times in his own cartoons btw
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:25 (five years ago) link
Yeah I thought he might have done.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:56 (five years ago) link
Man, I've been going about this all wrong.
Super Grover is clearly the answer here.
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:19 (five years ago) link
Oh wait I forgot about the time he was gruesomely disemboweled, nm
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:31 (five years ago) link
maybe a better question is who's the most famous superhero who has never died for at least five months/ in a particularly public way that attracted comicdom's attention.because they all died in one story or another and then came back as that is a sort of defining prerequisite for being a superhero.But Supes, Batman, Spiderman, Hulk, Iron Man all died in multi-chapter NOT A HOAX NOT A DREAM storylinesso if we're going by that metric, i would maybe posit wonder woman? can't remember an extended "she daid" run of books... somebody wanna remind me when that happened?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:50 (five years ago) link
this thread condensed:
they have all died
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:52 (five years ago) link
i don't think kitty pryde ever died
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:53 (five years ago) link
xxpThe Sesame Street universe was destroyed/rebooted as part of the HBO move, and only Snuffy and Guy Smiley survived in the life raft.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:54 (five years ago) link
because they all died in one story or another and then came back as that is a sort of defining prerequisite for being a superhero.
this is only the case post... what, 1980?
had Matter Eater Lad ever been resurrected?
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:55 (five years ago) link
probably by Giffen!
kitty died in Morrison's xmen
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:58 (five years ago) link
According to Wikipedia, Tenzil Kem is present in some “Retroboot” Legion stories.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:59 (five years ago) link
xpost Wait, what? No. She wasn't even in Morrison's NXM iirc. She did ride a giant projectile into deep space in Whedon's subsequent run but she was more just feared lost forever than presumed dead.
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:02 (five years ago) link
xp when? i don't remember that
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:03 (five years ago) link
In Superman #694, Matter-Eater Lad is revealed to have been masquerading as Mon-El's friend Mitch, owner of a local cafe. He reveals his identity by stepping in to save a woman trapped in a burning car, allowing Mon-El to continue fighting the larger threats.As revealed in Adventure Comics (vol. 2) #8, Matter-Eater Lad is part of a secret team sent by the late RJ Brande to the 21st century to save the future in the Last Stand of New Krypton storyline.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:04 (five years ago) link
rmde
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:05 (five years ago) link
(Total aside, but I just saw a news blurb the other day positing that Bendis may be doing a Legion book. You're welcome, fans!)
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:06 (five years ago) link
did Matter-Eater Lad ever die such that he could be resurrected?
― sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:06 (five years ago) link
xp Yeah, I saw that tease... sheesh
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:10 (five years ago) link
RE: Kitty - WHEDON not Morrison; memory failed me. She was presumed dead! Not being in the book means you're dead!https://comicvine.gamespot.com/kitty-pryde/4005-3548/forums/she-cant-be-dead-can-she-416473/
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:33 (five years ago) link
I don't think Kitty's fate at the end of Whedon's run counts as death, because, A) by the end of the story she was still not dead, just incapacitated, and B) Whedon wrote it so that any future writer could easily bring her back, which is indeed what happened.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:43 (five years ago) link
no way she never died and she was not presumed dead (which anyway isn't the same thing as being dead)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:44 (five years ago) link
xp
Buuuuut at any rate she did die in Secret Wars so she's out of the running unfortch.
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
kitty pryde wasn't in secret wars!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:50 (five years ago) link
xp thank god, i was afraid this was gonna turn into a semantic nerdfight about the death of kitty prydewait never mind apparently we're gonna do this
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:51 (five years ago) link
Every mention of Secret Wars itt is threatening to devolve into a 'who's on first?' routine.
FTR: the 2015 Secret Wars involved the wholesale destruction of the Marvel multiverse and everyone in it with the exception of like a dozen or so characters who managed to escape that fate through various means.
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 21:13 (five years ago) link
I honestly think it makes more sense to count what happened to Kitty Pride as an example of what we're talking about, rather than something like the entirety of the Marvel Universe being gone for a couple of pages in Secret Wars. I know she definitely didn't die, but I like Old Lunch's notion that she was 'feared lost forever'. Which is kinda also what happened to Batman in Final Crisis. It's not as good a thread title: 'Who's the most famous superhero who has never been feared lost forever?' But it's kinda what we're talking about, no? Noble sacrifices, leaving the title for a while, as other characters fill the void.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 21:36 (five years ago) link
I have an extra-nerdy answer to
which is that in the exclusive bonus mini-comic included in TMNT role-playing-game post-holocaust supplement Road Hogs, all the TMNT are dead except for an ancient, dementia-riddled Raphael, living in a post-nuclear-war future
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 04:22 (five years ago) link
Old Man Raph is the winner then
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 05:50 (five years ago) link
The logical conclusion of this kind of thing (effective superhero immortality) is those stores that Marvel likes to do — including recently — in which someone like Reed Richards or Steve Rogers or Thor or Logan is the last being alive at the end of time, witnessing the heat death of the universe, etc.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 06:49 (five years ago) link
Who’s the most famous super-character (hero or villain) to have died and stayed dead? No clones, no alternate universe or timeline versions, etc.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 06:50 (five years ago) link
I guess that was already sort of discussed above.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 07:02 (five years ago) link
I started a thread on that subject a long time ago:
Major superheroes/villains who died and have stayed dead - are there any?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 10:57 (five years ago) link
those stores that Marvel likes to do — including recently — in which someone like Reed Richards or Steve Rogers or Thor or Logan is the last being alive at the end of time, witnessing the heat death of the universe, etc.Sniffing through Alan Moore’s bins for old teabags they can dry out & try to use again.
― sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
Which Moore story did that, I can't recall?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:00 (five years ago) link
Wildstorm Spotlight #1
― sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:31 (five years ago) link
How could I have forgotten such a popular + feted work.
― Love is Scarface (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:44 (five years ago) link
it was pretty feted at the time!
https://www.tor.com/2012/07/09/the-great-alan-moore-reread-mr-majestic-voodoo-and-deathblow/
― sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 21:27 (five years ago) link
That seems to have come out years after Books of Magic #3 tho, which has a similar plot.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 21:33 (five years ago) link
iirc that has magic people in a magic chamber ruminating on a time when various different magic worlds have passed into history? the Moore story is "Superman one immortal superhero is the last being left alive at the end of time, witnessing the heat death of the universe, etc"
― sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:00 (five years ago) link
Was specifically gonna mention that BoM issue (which is rad)!
― Love is Scarface (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:26 (five years ago) link
iirc that has magic people in a magic chamber ruminating on a time when various different magic worlds have passed into history?
no, Mr. E takes the kid "walking" to the end of time, it is def the heat death of the universe and is literally described as such (that's when Death shows up!)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:29 (five years ago) link
okey doke! I still think that's "magic" though
― sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:48 (five years ago) link