has dc's captain marvel/shazam ever died?reading Gotham Central from the library rn, just hit an Infinite Crisis crossover issue where Cap bemoans over and over that Shazam is dead, but I dunno if he was just mistaken, in whatever comics that actually took place in
― sans lep (sic), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:30 (seven years ago)
Oh yeah, the actual wizard Shazam died and Captain Marvel took his place on the cave throne iirc.
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:34 (seven years ago)
he get better yet?
― sans lep (sic), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:50 (seven years ago)
Dunno, I abandoned DC prior to Flashpoint and never looked back. Maybe he's one of the Watchmen now.
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 19:18 (seven years ago)
Secret Wars aside, Peter Parker has never died, right?
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:13 (seven years ago)
(I'm talkin OG, 616-Peter)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:16 (seven years ago)
Yes he did, and then Doctor Octopus transferred his mind into Peter Parkers body and became Superior Spider-Man.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:19 (seven years ago)
Oh yeah
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:21 (seven years ago)
How 'bout Howard the Duck (just grasping at straws here)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:25 (seven years ago)
got kidnapped out of the Marvel Universe and went into witness protection in 1996, so is safe from death now
also not a superhero
― sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:33 (seven years ago)
Luke Cage maybe?
― If Your Site Mod Vomits (Do This Every Day) (WmC), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:34 (seven years ago)
Jesus
― I can't dérive fifty-feev (Noodle Vague)
sounds like somebody needs to read irenaeus
― errang (rushomancy), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:35 (seven years ago)
Peter also "died" during Kraven's Last Hunt.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 06:44 (seven years ago)
IIRC DC meant to kill Nightwing in the Infinite Crisis, but they changed their mind and offed Superboy instead. So Dick Grayson really seems to be the answer to this question, unless someone can come up with a better example?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:11 (seven years ago)
Dick Grayson gets killed by Luthor during Forever Evil.
Admittedly it's resolved in the same storyline as he needs to die to escape the Murder Machine and is nearly immediately resurrected (also by Luthor) but he is dead dead for a very short time. This death is also what allows him to go undercover in the Grayson book in a new identity.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:25 (seven years ago)
Ugh, Forever Evil
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:30 (seven years ago)
Dick Grayson is also currently 'dead' in that following being shot through the head by the KGBeast in Batman, Dick hasn't no memory of his previous life and is living as a taxi driver called Ric (which is making the current Nightwang book less than rivetting as he mainly plays pool in a bar).
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:35 (seven years ago)
A long time since I've read it but surely the only acceptable Marvel answer is Fred Hembeck?
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:38 (seven years ago)
They brought back KGBeast? Wow.Ok, so Dick isn't the right answer, I wonder who is? Maybe Sue Storm then?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:46 (seven years ago)
Ray Palmer?
He's shrunk himself into isolation plenty of times but were any of them teased as death?
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:53 (seven years ago)
I would argue Sue Storm is more famous than Ray Palmer...?
Still curious about the Thing, though. If you don't count Secret Wars, has he ever died?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 10:01 (seven years ago)
Fred Hembeck killed Sue Storm and The Thing.
In a (slightly) more serious answer, Sue's death in Secret Wars isn't an 'oh everyone dies so it doesn't count death's, it's a specific different thing. Does it even happen in Illuminati and not Secret Wars?
Talking of which, Reed killed the Thing in Latveria that time, which led to the whole FF eventually going to heaven to persuade Ben to come back to life. Jack Kirby was God in it.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 10:17 (seven years ago)
This is a good question though.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 10:22 (seven years ago)
Oh and there was also a future Invisible Woman that came back so two of them were in the timeline together and one of them died in a 'death of the invisible woman' storyline (unsurprisingly it was the future one).
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 10:25 (seven years ago)
Ah yeah, I've heard about the story of Ben's death, but I've never read it.
IIRC, Sue's "death" in SW was kinda ambiguous... I mean, she falls out of the life raft in SW #1, which would mean she died, but then at the end of the story the Sue Doom took as his wife somehow has the memories of 616 Sue, which could mean that this Sue wasn't an alternate universe version but the 616 version who Doom had saved. Though much of the finale of SW doesn't follow any kind of internal logic, so who know what happened there?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 10:29 (seven years ago)
Btw after having Captain America go Nomad under Nixon, and killing him off under Bush 2, have they done anything with him this time?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 10:56 (seven years ago)
Made him into a Nazi?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 10:57 (seven years ago)
I guess Bendis did a future story in which Daredevil died, but has it ever happened in regular continuity?
― Number None, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:29 (seven years ago)
I guess Born Again doesn't count, because the whole "there is no corpse" narration by Kingpin means the reader is never supposed to think he had died?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:34 (seven years ago)
Daredevil is currently dead.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:51 (seven years ago)
In that he died a couple of issues ago.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:52 (seven years ago)
oh
lol
― Number None, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:56 (seven years ago)
rip big man
― an erotic picnic with Ming (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 12:02 (seven years ago)
I haven't read the issues, but the reviews seem to suggest DD is merely at death's door and in a coma, but not actually dead?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 12:38 (seven years ago)
No he's actually dead. For several pages at least.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 12:45 (seven years ago)
I might start reading this with the Zdarsky reboot. It's been a totally disappointing followup to the Waid run.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 13:57 (seven years ago)
Daredevil also died in Shadowland, I think, although iirc there'd already been an announced 'Daredevil: Reborn' series when it happened.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:06 (seven years ago)
Underdog
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:58 (seven years ago)
Underdog was shot in the face at the climax of the episode 'Polly's Wild Ride'.
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:11 (seven years ago)
Miles Morales hasn’t been around long enough to feel like a satisfying answer, but he’s fairly famous atm, and has never died(?)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:12 (seven years ago)
Yeah, as I noted he's one of the few to have survived the hard reboot of the multiverse. Actually, I think Black Panther was, too, and I don't believe he's ever died.
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:16 (seven years ago)
Has Franklin Richards ever died (outside of Days of Future Past continuity)? He's been around 50 years.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:18 (seven years ago)
Actually, unless there's been a T'challa death I overlooked, that might actually be the answer to the question posed itt. No mean feat, maintaining your Marvel mortality for 53 years.
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:19 (seven years ago)
death in a movie doesn't count then?
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:21 (seven years ago)
xpost Sorry, staving off your Marvel mortality, rather. The lure of alliteration overpowered my brane.
No, I don't think we're counting movie deaths here.
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:22 (seven years ago)
The movies are Earth-99999 or something, rite?
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:37 (seven years ago)
for dc and marvel, literally every character has been killed at least a few times in canonical universe razing stories and then brought back to life. theoretically, this includes our comic doppelgängers as well.that said, i think the current iteration of younger-skewing characters haven't been killed yet? moon girl/devil dinosaur, kamala khan (ms marvel), squirrel girl
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:40 (seven years ago)
The latter two died with the multiverse in Secret Wars. Moon Girl wasn't introduced until post-SW.
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:44 (seven years ago)
And SW is the only universe-razing Marvel event I'm aware of.
Shit, it just occurred to me: was Black Panther among the deceased 50% in Infinity Gauntlet? That would take him out of the running, if so.
― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:46 (seven years ago)
marvel zombies comes to mind. i dunno, your mileage may vary depending on how much IMAGINARY STORY/ALTERNATE UNIVERSE stuff you're willing to enduregaiman/ superheroes aren't dead until they're forgotten /gaiman
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:51 (seven years ago)