Swamp Thing was fighting (with? against?) Batman in the 70s...
(first ST i bought was #46, the crisis crossover issue)
― koogs, Friday, 25 May 2018 10:53 (six years ago) link
Yes, the DC-owned properties that eventually became part of the Vertigo imprint did in fact originate in and among the DC Universe proper. And then Vertigo happened and those characters were more or less sealed off in their own little corner of the world for a couple of decades. I promise I'm not making this up. You can check the history books and everything.
bg, the material largely and surprisingly holds up (I reread everything from Moore's ST through Lucifer about ten years back) even if some of it has the color range of a rusted rain barrel full of mud.
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 May 2018 12:15 (six years ago) link
As big a Marvel Zombie as I am, I might be an even bigger zombie for the best of this stuff. If such a thing is even possible. The parallel runs of Rick Veitch on ST and Jamie Delano on Hellblazer remain some of my favorite comics of all time.
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 May 2018 12:19 (six years ago) link
bg, the material largely and surprisingly holds up (I reread everything from Moore's ST through Lucifer about ten years back) even if some of it has the color range of a rusted rain barrel full of mud
oh yeah, i have a lot of fondness for a lot of vertigo stuff (and precursors like morrison's animal man, which is still maybe my favourite-ever run out of everything he's ever done) but damn i also have a lot of teenage memories of squinting at brown-and-purple-smeared pages trying to work out wtf is going on
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 25 May 2018 12:26 (six years ago) link
The recolourings are worse though, esp Sandman
90s computerised mud >> 00s computerised recolouring
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 25 May 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
has anything from Vertigo ever been recoloured? even Sandman wasn't afaik
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
(went to Vertigo circa #37 iirc)
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
checked: #47.
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
I know at the very least that Flex Mentallo was controversially and fairly radically recolored for the collected edition.
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 May 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
oh yanot muddy brown-&-purple to begin with though
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
Sandman was recolored for the massive omnibus versions.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
I've been tempted to re-read Shade the Changing Man but idk
I really soured on Sandman on my last re-reading (some thoughts here: Neil Gaiman - S/D)
Swamp Thing is still all-time great of course. That Bissette/Totleben artwork is some of the greatest comics art ever imo, I never get tired of looking at it.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 25 May 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
I don't know that Shade held up as well on a reread but there are bits that are still fantastic. It was probably my favorite of the bunch by the time Vertigo proper was underway.
Books of Magic is a sleeper. I love the majority of that first series. The initial Gaiman miniseries is also good.
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 May 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
yeah the initial Books of Magic miniseries is p good
― Οὖτις, Friday, 25 May 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link
Sandman was recolored for the massive omnibus versions.the question was about Vertigo comics
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
Gaiman's Sandman wasn't Vertigo?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
sic, you're slipping, man.
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 May 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
this is a v upsetting developmentsic are u okay
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 25 May 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
bg, the material largely and surprisingly holds up (I reread everything from Moore's ST through Lucifer about ten years back) even if some of it has the color range of a rusted rain barrel full of mud.― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Friday, May 25, 2018 10:15 PM (yesterday)
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Friday, May 25, 2018 10:15 PM (yesterday)
oh yeah, i have a lot of fondness for a lot of vertigo stuff (and precursors like morrison's animal man, which is still maybe my favourite-ever run out of everything he's ever done) but damn i also have a lot of teenage memories of squinting at brown-and-purple-smeared pages trying to work out wtf is going on― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Friday, May 25, 2018 10:26 PM (yesterday)
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Friday, May 25, 2018 10:26 PM (yesterday)
The recolourings are worse though, esp Sandman90s computerised mud >> 00s computerised recolouring― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, May 26, 2018 2:43 AM (three hours ago)
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, May 26, 2018 2:43 AM (three hours ago)
has anything from Vertigo ever been recoloured? even Sandman wasn't afaik... (went to Vertigo circa #37 iirc)...checked: #47.― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Saturday, May 26, 2018 3:31 AM (two hours ago)
...
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Saturday, May 26, 2018 3:31 AM (two hours ago)
I know at the very least that Flex Mentallo was controversially and fairly radically recolored for the collected edition.― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Saturday, May 26, 2018 3:32 AM (two hours ago)
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Saturday, May 26, 2018 3:32 AM (two hours ago)
oh yanot muddy brown-&-purple to begin with though― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Saturday, May 26, 2018 4:05 AM (two hours ago)
not muddy brown-&-purple to begin with though
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Saturday, May 26, 2018 4:05 AM (two hours ago)
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link
It was the Sandman Absoloute Editions that were recolored.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 20:16 (six years ago) link
please to tell me which issues of Sandman #1 through #18 were published by Vertigo in the 1990s with a muddy brown-and-purple colour palette, and were also somehow numbered somewhere between #47 and #75
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 20:36 (six years ago) link
Dunno about any of that I'm just saying which Sandman books were recolored.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
I'll give you eighteen guesses at which issues of Sandman were recoloured for the "absolute" editions
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
Whew, okay, didn't realize you were just kicking it up into uber-pedant mode, don't scare us like that bruh.
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:24 (six years ago) link
Mods, plz change thread title to 'The Vertigo (and properties which one might consider grandfathered into the Vertigo imprint, were one a dullard) Thread'
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:26 (six years ago) link
The colour pallette under discussion is specifically a Vertigo thing - though derived from pre-Vertigo Hellblazer, neither Sandman nor Doom Patrol nor Swamp Thing nor Shade The Changing Man nor Animal Man (under Morrison or Milligan or Truog) nor Black Orchid nor Watchmen nor Prez The Teenage President used it.
Plenty of '90s Vertigo that did use it could toootally benefit from a recolouring though, which is why I was asking!
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link
or 12-issue collections of Sandman Mystery Theatre printed in b&w, with light half-toning if needed for clarity
Would buy except that I wouldn't allow myself to get burned by a third SMT reprint project that distractedly wanders off before it's finished what it set out to do (the most recent having ended with a paltry two volumes).
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 May 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link
I had also totally forgotten that Sandman wasn't always a Vertigo comic, so good to be reminded/corrected.
My fave Vertigo comics remain two mini-series written by Pete Milligan at the top of his game - The Extremist, with Ted McKeever, and Enigma, with Duncan Fegredo.
― Ward Fowler, Saturday, 26 May 2018 07:43 (six years ago) link
Enigma was one of the best things to come out of Vertigo.
(In before the boffins: Enigma was actually intended to be part of Disney's Touchmark mature readers imprint along with several other titles that ultimately formed the foundation of Vertigo proper after Disney got cold feet.)
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Saturday, 26 May 2018 11:46 (six years ago) link
I always liked Sebastian O, from Grant Morrison’s “cheeky young man” phase, although it might have benefited from being half or twice the length.
I’ve started Enigma multiple times in my life and never finished it. Will try again this weekend.
Has the gap between Seaguy 1&2 been longer than the gap between 2 & now? Not that I need to see them - the sequel was only ok.
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 26 May 2018 23:32 (six years ago) link
Vertigo was practically the Sandman imprint rather than vice versa and I’m not gonna budge on it
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Saturday, 26 May 2018 23:45 (six years ago) link
There’s definitely an argument that one of the reasons the imprint existed was because of the widespread recognition and respect that the Sandman was receiving - but even so that’s some impressively crazy talk there.
What it definitely was, was the Karen Berger imprint - I was wondering if the thread revive was related to her new imprint, which I haven’t read anything in yet.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 27 May 2018 06:31 (six years ago) link
Extremist and Sebastian O were also both Touchmark books iirc
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 09:50 (six years ago) link
Also Tattered Banners, Mercy. Maybe also Tell Me, Dark?
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Sunday, 27 May 2018 13:16 (six years ago) link
I think the Shadow's Fall miniseries by John Nay Rieber was Touchmark as well.
― Duane Barry, Sunday, 27 May 2018 13:34 (six years ago) link
Tell Me Dark was published by DC pre-Vertigo, Shadows Fall was Touchmark, as was Mercy. Tattered Banners seems unlikely as it was so much later, not even faintly gothy, and neither Giffen nor McMahon were in Touchmark's promo, but iirc it did lay fallow for years before being finished without Giffen.
Still, if there's one thing we can say, it's that what Vertigo definitely was, was the Art Young imprint.
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link
Five years between Seaguy 1 and Seaguy 2, nine years and counting since Seaguy 2.
Never mind though: yeah, Seaguy 2 was weak, Seaguy 1 was the worst of that cluster of Morrison minis, and Morrison is sadly bad not good now.
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
Here's a good rundown on the Touchmark backstory, with scans of promo material: https://www.cbr.com/comic-book-legends-revealed-321/
I think I mistakenly included Tattered Banners because it was announced very early, alongside many of the initial Vertigo titles, but as you mention wasn't released until many years later.
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Sunday, 27 May 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link
Tell Me Dark was published by DC pre-Vertigo
also not Vertigo:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/14/148518/2883281-better_mr_e_1_cover.jpg
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link
K.w. jeter?!
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 27 May 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link
Speaking of proto-Vertigo mature readers titles, I just remembered that a collection of Del Close and John Ostrander's Wasteland was hinted at a while back but has apparently disappeared into the ether. That's a bummer.
― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Sunday, 27 May 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
would for sure be a lesser reading experience in collection
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 23:52 (six years ago) link
A few of these are now being published by Dover, of all people, who have also rescued some other lovely, earlier comics works from neglect: http://store.doverpublications.com/by-subject-graphic-novels-and-comics-graphic-novels.html
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 28 June 2018 00:55 (five years ago) link
Oh sweet, thanks for the tip.
I have that Puma Blues collection. Or a Puma Blues collection. If it's Dover, I never noticed.
― A Frankenstein + A Dracula + A Mummy That's Been Werewolfed (Old Lunch), Thursday, 28 June 2018 01:20 (five years ago) link
If it's the 2015 one with the new ending, that's the Dover one.There's only one Vertigo book in that lineup, really - Mercy was a Touchmark refugee, but probably came along with the Seekers rights when they were dealing with deMatteis.
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Thursday, 28 June 2018 02:00 (five years ago) link
Yeah, that's the Puma Blues edition I have. It's a nice big hardcover, which is not what I generally associate with Dover.
Delano's World Without End was a proto-Vertigo DC mature readers title.
― A Frankenstein + A Dracula + A Mummy That's Been Werewolfed (Old Lunch), Thursday, 28 June 2018 10:27 (five years ago) link
The Charyn/Boucq graphic novels are all essential, esp The Magician's Wife - just a shame the page size is smaller than on the original Catalan translations.
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 28 June 2018 10:31 (five years ago) link
It ain't been what it once was for many a moon, but still...RIP(?) Vertigo.
Fucken DC, man...
― Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 23:04 (five years ago) link
If true, it feels inevitable, but still sad.
And that 25th Anniversary celebration book didn't even materialise!
― Duane Barry, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 01:06 (five years ago) link