Marvel Comics blabbery

I do realise.

However pure Slott's intentions might be, I'd never be able to shake off the suspicion that he's doing a Claremont, Byrne, Piers Anthony, Jack Chalker thing. Grosses me out.

cool

having actually read the story in question, i'd have to say that if slott is getting his jollies from pushing doc ock into spider-man's unwilling mind he's doing a much better job of hiding his intentions than the guys you mentioned

Slott has had good luck with artists? Didn't he get Humberto Ramos? Not lucky.

Well, I do at least agree with you on that point. I want to set Ramos up with a really nice job that pays him as much as he's currently making but that involves no drawing ever again for the rest of forever.

Land & Ramos Party Planning Inc. has a nice ring to it, I think.

It's okay not to bring up porn in every thread. Really.

ironically though he got yelled at for bringing up porn IN the porn thread, so what can he do at this point

Keep it to TMI?

Land, Ramos, and whoever's coloured JR JR's comics since 2004

98% of comics colorists.

Really disliked that black coat and shades Dr Octopus design Ramos did.

Who are the better artists working for Marvel these days?

(*don't type greg land as a joke, don't type greg land as a joke...*)

Greg Land

I dunno, I kinda prefer the artists that Greg Land traces over.</pornojoke>

I want to do a parody of a Land comic where all of the characters are barely-altered lightboxed illustrations of old-school blow-up dolls.

greg land is beyond parody tbh

I'm not a fan but I'm not sure why people hate his work so much more than other similar artists. I've never read any of his comics. I guess it's the sometimes awkward integration of photo reference into his work? I've mostly seen cover art by him.

http://comicsalliance.com/files/2013/08/Monica.png

It's not just that it looks like it's swiped from a (probably caucasian) porn star, but take a look at the thigh gap. And also, this was an Al Ewing book, and the cast was supposed to be more 'progressive' than other books.

He does the awkward photo reference thing constantly. It's like rotoscoped spank mag fumetti with hastily-sketched masks and capes.

Also he's just bad and lazy.

https://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/the-thing.jpg

Just now realized where her neck sits on her torso... That's not healthy.

I'm guessing it's swiped from two different porn stars now.

now i'm wondering whether theres's a porn star who looks like the thing

if only we had a dedicated ilx porn correspondent who could address my question

Maybe he was drawing Monica mid-cabbage patch

First example does like a tad like Mia Khalifa but I doubt I know most of the stuff Greg Land looks at. I don't watch lamestream porn and I don't read lamestream comics. Those panels are pretty bad.

But honestly most of the porn stuff I talk about are things I dislike intensely but I find it interesting in the same way I find right wing trends interesting. Just a lot of morbidly fascinating behaviour that tells you a lot about bigots.

I promise soon I'll be back to blabbing about Art Zoyd, Supersister, Summoning and goth bands.

i wouldn't even mind the photo-reference so much if land could actually tell a decent sequential story using those materials, but he's not talented enough to turn a series of pin-up photos into anything other than a series of pin-up drawings

thanks for the new screenname, rag!

Teehee

Greg Land drew what I thought was a pretty cool rendition of Pixie until I realized she was only supposed to be like, 13

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Land#Critical_reception

he openly admits to using porn as source material!

btw I only mentioned him to clown a certain line of conversation and let's keep him out of our minds

I'm all-too-happy to do so, particularly since I can only seem to envision him drawing pantsless.

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his lower half is suspiciously absent from view in one of the few pictures i could find of him online, lending credence to your theory

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/a/ad/Greg_Land_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070103155707

http://jimsmashextended.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/greg-land-tracing-swiping-recycling.html?m=1

My favourite, not in that collection, was when he traced the #1 GIS for Angry Old Woman.

I guess if you're going to go for it, go bold

I mean, comic book artists have used real models and photo reference for decades (that's Milton Caniff below) so I don't think it's necessarily wrong for Land to use porn as a reference - I'm guessing it's a good way to 'study' the undraped male and female body - just that in his case, the original source is far too obvious and ludicrously, needlessly sexualised (beyond the sexualisation that is an inherent part of all superhero costuming). Also, he's crap.

http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_2953/subcat_145322/caniffphotodragonlady.jpg

As in Caniff paid a model and photographer to create specific poses for photo reference? That sounds like a lot of work when you can google "sexy woman legs crossed"

I'm waiting for the next level of Greg Land-style work where someone just hunts through pictures of cosplayers at comic conventions against solid color backdrops

I suppose it's to Land's credit that he's never accidentally traced any body fluid spillage.

My favourite, not in that collection, was when he traced the #1 GIS for Angry Old Woman.

Wow, you weren't lying!

http://www.eviepurves.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/angry-old-lady.jpg

http://angryjogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/scared-old-woman.png

https://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Mighty-Avengers-2-2013-Page-12-600x701.jpg

srs q: does anyone really, genuinely enjoy greg land? are there ride-or-die greg land fans out there? maybe i'm enjoying the benefits of never really taking in comic-book news and comment outside a handful of relatively grown-up sites (and ilx, obv) but i just don't get how someone so abjectly terrible keeps getting such high-profile work

Seems they missed out his Obama as Norman Osborn.

When he started drawing Sojourn I thought he was really impressive but I rarely saw his interiors. Now I think he's actually capable of competent work if he really goes for it but I just don't like the style.

srs q: does anyone really, genuinely enjoy greg land? are there ride-or-die greg land fans out there? maybe i'm enjoying the benefits of never really taking in comic-book news and comment outside a handful of relatively grown-up sites (and ilx, obv) but i just don't get how someone so abjectly terrible keeps getting such high-profile work

I'm guessing he's excellent with deadlines

are ppl really complaining about the use of photo references? or just greg land being terrible at using photo references

credit where credit's kinda almost due: he's managed to couple his basic competence at drawing with his ability to trace the top results of any given google image search and a deep swipe file of pinups and porn into a successful career in funnybooks xp

greg land being terrible at using photo references

this one

When he started drawing Sojourn I thought he was really impressive but I rarely saw his interiors. Now I think he's actually capable of competent work if he really goes for it but I just don't like the style.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:16

I should note I was 15 when I thought those Sojourn covers were impressive and that he is capable of drawing well but just usually doesn't seem to but I'm not a fan either way.

Οὖτις - it does look like some people complain about Land using photo reference at all but I think it's mainly that he uses it badly.

that and there's some appeal to what he's doing -- it's not anything i'd pick up for the art alone, but it's semi-competent. it's like a really hackish bryan hitch thing

there's also a different between using a photo reference, which he seems to do sometimes, and just finding a photo that sort of fits what you need and literally tracing over it

Yeah, it's poor use and recycling he deserves ire for.

that one with a woman in a sprawled sitting pose with her arm at an awkward angle where it's obviously a rip of porn imagery where he just moved her hand from her groin to the side is mind-numbingly bad

I'm guessing he's excellent with deadlines

Yes, that was my guess too. Plus - comic book fans have terrible taste!

https://bitchmedia.org/article/marvel-new-hulk-gender-ptsd

What you guys reading these days? I switched my All-New Wolverine sub to Gwenpool, cuz just can't get with where "ANW" has been going (I don't like my heroes to be killers, even if "i'ts complicated"). I feel like Dennis Hopeless's Spider-Woman (a longtime fave) has also kind of squandered its initial potential... the first "reboot" ish (http://marvel.com/comics/issue/49517/spider-woman_2014_5) is one of my fave single issues of anything, but the series has kept getting derailed by crossovers and tie-ins, and never really hit its stride.

"The Unworthy Thor" is great, if you're into Jason Aaron and his Thor schtick.