Marvel Comics blabbery

I have at least the first three of his Challengers Of The Unknown miniseries, nothing since that

i can lend you some for the occasion, no problem

Cannot unsee Ultimatum

Burn my eyes

TASTES LIKE CHICKEN

I feel like the comics he's best known for are mostly just origin retellings or by-the-numbers plots that drop in the most well-known allies/villains with the "this is character X who acts in this way and progresses the plot by doing what they always do, in a way that ties back to the main antagonist"

which is, to be fair, a lot of non-Loeb comics but it really highlights how quickly he goes off the rails when he doesn't retell stories

Old Lunch otm

I will reiterate the props I've formerly given to Loeb for Ultimate X, which was good (with beautiful Art Adams art) and which redeemed like .00001% of the soul he tarnished so thoroughly by writing Ultimatum.

(It was more than a little jarring to see Loeb briefly on the rails and realize that he can actually write competently if he wants to. But I guess trying is hard or something.)

turns out I've been Loeb-free for 25 years (had seen Teen Wolf previously)

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2010/05/11/comics-you-should-own-flashback-challengers-of-the-unknown-1-8/

those Baker and Hempel covers tho

Never forget that Loeb wrote Commando. Yes, the Schwarzenegger movie.

the musculature and body poses of both cap and falcon is absolutely kraken me up here
http://i.cdn.turner.com/tntla/images/portal/10108/37298/75244/2412122.jpg

like how deep is the spandex into the creases of those guys quads

Good ol' Bart Sears. I remember when he was the 'realistic' alternative in a sea of Liefeld-a-likes.

I wonder what caused Sam's muscles to start melting.

Justice League Europe was one of the first superhero comics I ever bought, so I'll always have time for Bart Sears, and his steroidal duck faces.

This guy is like the Todd Van Der Werff of awful comics writing:

http://www.vulture.com/2016/04/captain-america-takedown-apology.html#

here's a pair of pages from Marvel's Planned Parenthood promotional comic from 1976, "The Amazing Spider Man vs The Prodigy".
Different times.
http://i.imgur.com/4XVl0mg.png

I just got a vivid image of Spidey swinging into a music venue and pulling the plug on a mind control device just before the Prodigy launched into their new hit single, 'Knock My Bitch Up'.

I scanned across that image for "twisted firestarter", didn't find it, closed tab

spidey discovers the contemporary pro life conservative agenda
http://i.imgur.com/IL7Moz0.png

Just read Millar's Civil War for the first time - the digital version was on sale. What an incredible piece of garbage! I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. But still -- baffled why anyone would choose to film it -- the story just turns all your faves into gigantic murdering arseholes. (I assume the movie is much better.)

This guy is like the Todd Van Der Werff of awful comics writing:

clicked through just long enough to check it was Abraham Riesman

tbf, he's an even worse television writer

Just read Millar's Civil War for the first time - the digital version was on sale. What an incredible piece of garbage! I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. But still -- baffled why anyone would choose to film it -- the story just turns all your faves into gigantic murdering arseholes. (I assume the movie is much better.)

― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, May 13, 2016 4:45 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's Millar's shtick all over, isn't it. Everyone's either a psychotic arsehole or a victim of needless cruelty.

The film is nothing like that, thankfully.

to be fair to millar, sometimes they're a psychotic arsehole AND a victim of needless cruelty

I think my perspective on Civil War is salvaged somewhat by having read the entire crossover, of which Millar's contribution was just a small piece.

It's a solid concept, and the art is pretty decent at humanising Millar's childish dialogue, but so much of it - Robot Thor killing Goliath, for example, is proper "what were they fucking thinking?!?" without the saving grace of being at least interestingly batshit.

ugh, I just remembered speedball's s&m makeover :(

that was actually the character Voldo from the SoulCalibur video game series

lol

It's kinda weird that they chose Millar to write the central book in a huge crossover, given that his contributions to the Marvel Universe proper at that point consisted of his Marvel Knights Spider-Man book and a brief run on Wolverine.

Ostrander had written nothing for DC before Legends, and Byrne had drawn one issue of a Batman miniseries in 1980. Mantlo had written nothing for DC, Sears had drawn nothing for DC, and McFarlane had done a few months on Infinity Inc before Invasion!. It works fine if the people are any good at what they do.

As further illustration of this principle, Brad Meltzer had written one six-month run on Green Arrow before Identity Crisis.

Yeah, but there's no accounting for the stuff those weirdos at DC do.

Old Lunch sums up what I was thinking, succinctly

This is such a fugly cover. Luke Cage looks like Rick Ross and WTF is up with Iron Fist's eye.

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Power-Man-and-Iron-Fist-Cover.jpg

0_o

I like it! Luke has a weird forehead tumour tho

I like it too. There's some cartoonish exaggeration, but the artist clearly knows what he'd doing, it's not like the exaggeration comes from Liefeldian ineptitude. IMO it's cool that in recent years Marvel has allowed more cartoonish/non-realistic art styles to be used with their characters instead of just sticking to a realistic house style.

OTM, I was just thinking the same yesterday. Except when the artist in question mixes a cartoonish/non-realistic art style with Liefeldian ineptitude and has been effing ubiquitous for the past decade (*coughhumbertoramoscough*).

sometimes I love Ramos, sometimes I think he is the worst thing in the world

I think the thing of his I enjoyed most was DV8

Ramos and Chris Bachalo are both kind of indistinguishably annoying to read - both dreadful at panel layouts, and everyone has a pointy head

I will not allow bad things to be said about Chris Bachalo!

Bachalo's layouts are sometimes incoherent, though

bachalo is a terrible storyteller but i've always liked his style

hmm ok you guys get a pass for this reasonable criticism

Yes, agree 100%. I've always loved Bachalo's art but he couldn't storytell his way out of a potato sack.

it's nice in the potato sack

now we've put that to rest i'd like to say that I really like humberto ramos and i've never had a problem with his layouts

that power man and iron fist cover isn't ramos tho is it? looks more like paul pope to me but i don't think it's him either

Sanford Greene, apparently.

http://marvel.com/comics/issue/57948/power_man_and_iron_fist_2016_1