I dunno, obviously Crossed is still quite extreme, but I think there is a fine line between illustrating your point and being indulgent. Yeah, I guess Ennis and Burrows could've toned that scene down, but like I said, they want to paint a picture of utter loss of morality. And that scene is limited to the one panel you posted. Compare it to Alan Moore's Neonomicon (also drawn by Burrows) which has a disgusting mass rape scene that goes on for several pages. Now, horrific violence and rape are part of both of these stories, you can't really tell them without it, but Ennis most certainly doesn't indulge on it the way Moore does. Of course your opinion may vary whether Crossed still shows too much of it, I can certainly understand that opinion... Ultimately it's a question of how much vileness you really need to show to get the "horror" part across... I know it's a fine line to walk, but I still feel Ennis and Burrows mostly stay on the "justified" side, rather than the "indulgent" side.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 23:10 (nine years ago) link
trigger warning
jesus christ sometimes I hate comics
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 23:31 (nine years ago) link
I dunno, IMO The Boys is notably less sexist and homophobic than some of Ennis' earlier works, such as Preacher. It's true that the series starts pretty horrifically with Starlight, the main female protagonist, being forced to perform oral sex on one of the superhero villains, and at first it felt like Ennis was treating this mostly as ultra-black comedy to depict how horrible the superheroes are, and I was almost ready to quit reading there and then, but Ennis does actually take the rape issue seriously and, despite all the expectations, manages to make Starlight into a sympathetic three-dimensional character instead of just a throwaway victim, which I thought was actually quite impressive.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 03:40 (nine years ago) link
I'll go a step further and say I still have a lot of love for Preacher, even with its flaws
Vileness for its own sake, indulgence, lack of nuance -- I think those things are selling points for Ennis. Why question assumptions about race, gender, sexuality etc. when you can just flay a child in the back corner of a comics panel? He probably think he's very open-minded.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 13:27 (nine years ago) link
buncha comix just came in the mail for giftmas and such
Random issues of Nemo magazinecomplete run of Manga Vizionfinal book of dungeon (i am rereading the whole series)the Don Rosa slipcase Uncle Scrooge booksthe Richard Thompson art bookWon Ton Soup by stokoe
i will be buying Here shortly.
― MAYBE HE'S NOT THE BEST THIGH SLAPPER IN THE WORLD (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 December 2014 19:41 (nine years ago) link
so idk who's been reading "the wicked & the divine" as uh religiously as i have, but the new issue of sex criminals includes an extended riff on a porn movie called 'the lick-ed and the divine' starring two wicdiv character lookalikes, had me roaring on the bus
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 25 December 2014 02:06 (nine years ago) link
Havent gotten the fukitor collection yet but now I kinda want it
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 December 2014 03:45 (nine years ago) link
in some ways it's better just bc it's so insane - it clearly understands that it is pulpy pornographic cartoon violence and it delivers gleeful thrills on every page. ennis takes himself too seriously and so his violence + grossness are such intense downers.
― Mordy, Thursday, 25 December 2014 03:47 (nine years ago) link
Lol of course yr here :)
Meant to link this is previous post
http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2013/10/the-feminist-phantasmagoria-of-fukitor/
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 December 2014 03:55 (nine years ago) link
The TCJ review gave me pause initially, but ultimately it felt at odds with the bits I've seen.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 December 2014 03:56 (nine years ago) link
from the aforementioned "ahem" forum: the complete Miss Don't Touch Me with at least two chapters of not-yet-released-in-America materialI have the first two US books (and will buy the others when they are released here) but getting them now on digital is a great giftmas treat.
― MAYBE HE'S NOT THE BEST THIGH SLAPPER IN THE WORLD (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 December 2014 06:00 (nine years ago) link
Pretty sure that is the collection that just came out from nbm.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 25 December 2014 10:39 (nine years ago) link
Well, the new book is the page count of the combined first two volumes. If the story is still going after that, why did NBM call it complete?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 25 December 2014 12:21 (nine years ago) link
Wish NBM had wider distribution, I rarely see their books, even in specialist stores. Probably doesn't help that so much of their output has so much extreme content, even the stuff that looks all-ages friendly.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 25 December 2014 12:37 (nine years ago) link
Wish nbm would do a completist Rick Geary compendium. There's soooo much magazine and anthology stuff that was never collected.
― a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 25 December 2014 18:46 (nine years ago) link
Wish NBM had wider distribution,
They have broader distribution than DC Comics to comic book stores, and the same UK bookstore distribution as Marvel, Archie, Dark Horse, Fantagraphics, Legendary, Humanoids, Knockabout, Blank Slate, Panini and Toon Books, not to mention Bantam, Doubleday, National Geographic, Putnam and Moleskine notebooks.
― Gland Of Horses (sic), Thursday, 25 December 2014 23:22 (nine years ago) link
Jon - They've got some Geary books coming. Just saw them in the upcoming section.
Sic - I'm a little surprised by that. I do see some and have bought a few in recent times, but somehow I never see Dungeon in Forbidden Planet or Waterstones.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 26 December 2014 00:23 (nine years ago) link
okay, so wrt Miss Don't Touch Me: It seems their "complete" edition adds about 30 to 50 pages of new material. They are "sold out" of volume one and are selling volume two for $3 on their website and there is no volume three to be purchased. This is one of those cases where i feel well justified, having bought the first two volumes at retail, to download the unpublished finale. Very disappointing way to treat a reader/customer imo.
― MAYBE HE'S NOT THE BEST THIGH SLAPPER IN THE WORLD (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 December 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link
Wolf Hall by Mantel. Next: Wolf's Hour by McCammon.
― calstars, Sunday, 28 December 2014 22:39 (nine years ago) link
got all excited for half a second about a graphic novel adaptation of wolf hall
― Mordy, Sunday, 28 December 2014 22:40 (nine years ago) link
seems like it would be well suited for an adaptation
― calstars, Sunday, 28 December 2014 22:45 (nine years ago) link
meaning TV or film
― calstars, Sunday, 28 December 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link
was hella confused until i realized calstars doesn't know this is the comics thread
― MAYBE HE'S NOT THE BEST THIGH SLAPPER IN THE WORLD (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 December 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link
it's a new year, someone remember to put COMIX ED. in the next one
― Nhex, Sunday, 28 December 2014 22:57 (nine years ago) link
lol sorry dudes!
― calstars, Sunday, 28 December 2014 22:59 (nine years ago) link
i was thinking if someone was doing robert r mccammon comic adaptations i was gonna hafta go get those.
― MAYBE HE'S NOT THE BEST THIGH SLAPPER IN THE WORLD (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 December 2014 23:01 (nine years ago) link
they are doing a tv adap of wolf hall xp hbo iirc?
― Mordy, Sunday, 28 December 2014 23:05 (nine years ago) link
No!
― Gland Of Horses (sic), Monday, 29 December 2014 06:52 (nine years ago) link
ILC was here first, the ILB folks should put "BOOKS WITH JUST TEXT AND NO PICS ED." to their thread.
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 December 2014 07:23 (nine years ago) link
it's just too much to ask these "books" people to know what board they're on
― Nhex, Monday, 29 December 2014 12:44 (nine years ago) link
But I enjoy our usual cycle of "mistaken post about Thomas Paine biography" followed by passive-aggressive rebuttal of comics' worth
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 29 December 2014 16:34 (nine years ago) link
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 December 2014
That would probably rule out a lot of books, especially nonfiction.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 29 December 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
sigh
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 29 December 2014 17:04 (nine years ago) link
"what is the use of a book," thought Alice, "without pictures or conversations?"
http://media.giphy.com/media/6ZHUmnZdVQB9K/giphy.gif
― Mordy, Monday, 29 December 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link
Been stuck at home sick for the past week so got into Blacksad and The Wake
I was really put off by the whole furry connotations of Blacksad but it is a gorgeous piece of work
The Wake begins as a stereotypical Eurocomix thing but keeps building the moral ambiguity and craft until by the fifth or sixth vol it's totally cranking
― Brakhage, Monday, 29 December 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) link
Wake is pretty good, yes
― MAYBE HE'S NOT THE BEST THIGH SLAPPER IN THE WORLD (forksclovetofu), Monday, 29 December 2014 20:16 (nine years ago) link
Going to start a "What are you Watching" on the I Love Game Casting board.
― calstars, Monday, 29 December 2014 23:54 (nine years ago) link
Curious what youse thought about the end of the Wake (potential spoiler - I thought it was a daft cop-out and waste of potential)
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 16:32 (nine years ago) link
First seven-eight issues are terrific tho'
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 16:33 (nine years ago) link
Oh it ends? I'm only up to ... no. 11. They just announced no. 17, so I didn't think it was wrapping up. (Are we talking about the same book? I'm talking about the French one, 'Sillage')
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link
Haha, I'm thinking of some trashy Vertigo comic. Yours sounds better.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 31 December 2014 10:30 (nine years ago) link
http://www.eurocomics.info/wake.html
― MAYBE HE'S NOT THE BEST THIGH SLAPPER IN THE WORLD (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link
Someone's gotta name the new 2015 thread and I'm not going to screw it up.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 2 January 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
I'll screw it up then.Rolling 2015 Reading Funnybooks Thread
― MAYBE HE'S NOT THE BEST THIGH SLAPPER IN THE WORLD (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 3 January 2015 05:54 (nine years ago) link